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Thread: Rand Paul is the Big Political Winner in Israel-Hamas War

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    Rand Paul is the Big Political Winner in Israel-Hamas War

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...medium=twitter

    Increasingly, Israelis have had enough, and more are arguing that they should stop relying on American aid. In 2013, as Breitbart News noted, some Israelis were prepared to make that argument privately.
    Yet an increasing number of conservatives, both in Israel and the U.S., are arguing that as much as military aid helps in the short term, funding Iron Dome missile batteries and the like, it comes as a strategic cost to Israel--as well as a fiscal cost to American taxpayers.

    Rand Paul's challenge has been to prove that he wants to cut aid to Israel for Israel's own sake--and not to hurt Israel, as some of his (and his father's) supporters wish to do.



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    there is sooo much wrong in a political world that can equate anything there with "winning."

    bastard politicians.
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    "and not to hurt Israel, as some of his (and his father's) supporters wish to do."

    I'd like to ask the author for his source for this.

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    "When you subsidize something, you get more of it."

    This applies to strife and warfare. There should be no subsidies. And many interventionists argue that "we pay them to keep the peace." But what exactly is "peace" in this context? It is not real peace. There is peace in Japan. Do we pay them to stay peaceful? No.

    In the context of interventionism and violence, "peace" is nothing more than a temporary ceasefire in order to gain funds, and when more funds are desired, more war and violence will be created in order to extort more "peace" payments. This has nothing to do with true peace. It actually subsidizes, rewards and incentivizes violence, death and destruction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    "and not to hurt Israel, as some of his (and his father's) supporters wish to do."

    I'd like to ask the author for his source for this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    "and not to hurt Israel, as some of his (and his father's) supporters wish to do."
    I'd like to ask the author for his source for this.
    uhm, he could find plenty evidence of that right here on rpfs over the years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    uhm, he could find plenty evidence of that right here on rpfs over the years.
    What I notice is that he said "his (and his father's)" as opposed to just "his father's." He also didn't use any qualifiers like "seem to."

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    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    "and not to hurt Israel, as some of his (and his father's) supporters wish to do."

    I'd like to ask the author for his source for this.
    I think that means those pesky supporters of Rand's Dad that Rand hasn't managed to shake off yet.



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    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    What I notice is that he said "his (and his father's)" as opposed to just "his father's." He also didn't use any qualifiers like "seem to."
    Come on, let's not play stupid here: its a factual statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    Come on, let's not play stupid here: its a factual statement.
    I disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    I disagree.
    I've met such people in real life and plenty online so we are just gonna have to agree to disagree.

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    as some of his (and his father's) supporters wish to do.
    @@

    Mercer wrote this piece for Ron in '07:

    "Conservatives once had choice words for foreign aid. It was 'money down a rathole' (Jesse Helms), and it amounted to 'putting Ghana over Grandma' (Tom DeLay). Duly, Dr. Ron Paul opposes all foreign aid because it's unauthorized by the Constitution. The American Founding Fathers believed, as does Dr. Paul, that politicians have no right to be benevolent with funds belonging to the people.

    So while it is true that the Israeli government will be (annually) $2.58 billion the poorer under a Paul administration, neighboring Muslim governments, most of which are ill-disposed toward Israel, will be deprived of much more than that. More material, the Israeli people will be the richer. Why so? Because, as any economist worth his salt knows, foreign aid, being a government-to-government transfer, grows the public sector in the recipient country at the expense of the private, productive economy. Warren Buffet, after all, recently chose to invest $4 billion in Israeli industry, not in the Israeli government. Like Mr. Buffet, Dr. Paul believes the Israeli people possess in abundance what economist Lord Peter Bauer called 'the faculties, attitudes and institutions favorable to material progress.'
    [...]
    HE WHO PAYS THE PIPER CALLS THE TUNE. For foreign aid, Israeli leaders have been forced to subordinate their country's national interests to Washington's whims. This is bad for both allies. Those of us who want the U.S. to stay solvent—and out of the affairs of others—recognize that sovereign nation-states that resist, not enable, our imperial impulses, are the best hindrance to hegemonic overreach. Patriots for a sane U.S. foreign policy ought to encourage all America's friends, especially Israel, to push back and do what is in their national interest, not ours.
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    I have to say that there are some anti-israel people in the Rand/Ron Paul/liberty movement.

    It's undeniable in my view.
    Though we can bicker about what exactly is anti-Israel ... I'm sure whatever standard we set will leave some with that label.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FriedChicken View Post
    I have to say that there are some anti-israel people in the Rand/Ron Paul/liberty movement.

    It's undeniable in my view.
    Though we can bicker about what exactly is anti-Israel ... I'm sure whatever standard we set will leave some with that label.
    Anti-Israel is a more vague term. But he said they want to hurt Israel. I wonder if he's ever encountered a Rand Paul supporter who actually said they wanted to hurt Israel.

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    There are some out and out neo nazis floating around here. Just pure 'exterminate all the jews because they are secretly stealing from us with the central banks' etc etc. Some people want to 'End the Fed' to 'End the Jews'. Its linked in their minds.

    Being the open movement that we are, we have of course got the opposite end of the spectrum, those who wish to punish Israel because they support Palestine and/or hate the UN and global government. They think the world would be better off without the UN or Israel.

    And there are some who think Israel nee to be attacked or punished to fulfill biblical prophesy.

    There are as many flavours as people around here.
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    I can't say I want to hurt Israel, but I have absolutely no desire to help Israel in any way, shape, or form.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Nic View Post
    I can't say I want to hurt Israel, but I have absolutely no desire to help Israel in any way, shape, or form.
    Are you a Rand Paul supporter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    Are you a Rand Paul supporter?
    Indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    Anti-Israel is a more vague term. But he said they want to hurt Israel. I wonder if he's ever encountered a Rand Paul supporter who actually said they wanted to hurt Israel.
    If "hurting Israel" means not recognizing the Israel as a legitimate state and supporting the Palestinians' claim to the land, then there are plenty of them in the Ron/Rand grassroots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crashland View Post
    If "hurting Israel" means not recognizing the Israel as a legitimate state and supporting the Palestinians' claim to the land, then there are plenty of them in the Ron/Rand grassroots.
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