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    Hello, I'm here in support of a man who is working to establish a free county in Costilla County Colorado by becoming sheriff. He could use our support.



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    Quote Originally Posted by liberty4vince View Post
    Hello, I'm here in support of a man who is working to establish a free county in Costilla County Colorado by becoming sheriff. He could use our support.
    I have always thought this is the best way to get a county libertarian.

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    We basically tried something like this a some years back. (It should be posted around here somewhere..) I made it all the way to the county election commissioners spot but ultimately we failed because people started falling by the wayside when times got tough and we did not get rid of the entire established leadership at the beginning. Our main fault was that we had too much compassion for those who were already established and they stabbed me (us) in the back every chance they got. A lot of time, money and health was the ultimate cost. I learned a lot during the experience but it would take some serious talking to get me to try something like this again. It literally almost killed me.

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    Do a quick search on here for "Stone County Arkansas" and you can find a lot of info about what we went through. (Sorry for the double post here..)

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    Osan, I'm going to answer you over in this thread, for continuity and organization's sake. Hope that's OK.

    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    I still cannot for the life of me grok what possessed people to choose NH. Why not, then, NJ?
    There was some... "stacking of the deck"... that went on from NH partisans.

    The largest block of FSP members at the time of the vote were people *already living* in New Hampshire! You see, the rule was that one could choose which of the ten states to which one was willing to move, down to and including just one single state, and this rule was taken full advantage of by the NH partisans. They had an aggressive effort to sign up as many NH people as possible, even those not willing to move at all! Perhaps especially those. All they had to do was check one box, New Hampshire, and leave the boxes for Wyoming, Vermont, Maine, Delaware, North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, and Idaho blank.

    Not exactly in keeping with the true spirit of the project was such behavior, in my view. But.... it led the NH partisans to victory, so who can argue with results? Of course, it depends how one defines victory. You and I take a somewhat more long-term and more ambitious view.
    The rebel of the 21st Century will be old-fashioned.

    Western Civilization is collapsing. Modernity, particularly egalitarianism, has killed it. The solution is to implement a traditional-style civilization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helmuth_hubener View Post
    Osan, I'm going to answer you over in this thread, for continuity and organization's sake. Hope that's OK.


    There was some... "stacking of the deck"... that went on from NH partisans.

    The largest block of FSP members at the time of the vote were people *already living* in New Hampshire! You see, the rule was that one could choose which of the ten states to which one was willing to move, down to and including just one single state, and this rule was taken full advantage of by the NH partisans. They had an aggressive effort to sign up as many NH people as possible, even those not willing to move at all! Perhaps especially those. All they had to do was check one box, New Hampshire, and leave the boxes for Wyoming, Vermont, Maine, Delaware, North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, and Idaho blank.

    Not exactly in keeping with the true spirit of the project was such behavior, in my view. But.... it led the NH partisans to victory, so who can argue with results? Of course, it depends how one defines victory. You and I take a somewhat more long-term and more ambitious view.
    OK, so what we had there was just another instance of rank corruption at work.

    Based on that alone, I would call the FSP wholly invalid and unworthy of any consideration. Just my worthless opinion on the matter.

    THIS is why humanity is doomed. There aren't enough men of nominal integrity to make plausible even the most meager endeavors, and the individual holds no hope of overcoming the collectivist juggernaut that designs to crush him through the corruption that is its lifeblood.

    Assuming the veracity of what you have written here, it turns out the high falutin' FSP was born of nothing better than the common corruption of people with no apparent intent to move; born of people just as full of $#@! as those against whom they complained. There's a part of me that wants to say "I can't believe it", but I will not allow myself that indulgence. Until this moment, I actually never questioned the personal integrity of the people who ran this program, only to find they were just another raft of low-rent crooks. Holy crap.

    I didn't think my faith in humanity could sink any lower. I was wrong.

    As to arguing, I can argue those results blindfolded, both hands tied behind my back, and in a coma because they were arrived upon through personal corruption and not the adeptly applied objective considerations of capable and honest human beings. FSP has the stink on it, as far as I am concerned, going a long way to explaining why a liberal stooge-hole like NH was chosen. How immensely disappointing.
    "And thus I clothe my naked villany with old odd ends, stolen out of holy writ; and seem a saint when most I play a devil." -Shakespeare

    “We know that concessions of privileges are but titles of servitude.”

    "Giving alms to common beggars is naturally praised; because it seems
    to carry relief to the distressed and indigent: but when we observe the encouragement thence arising to idleness and debauchery, we regard that species of charity rather as a weakness than a virtue." -Hume

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    Oh, and Alaska.

    A lot of people left Alaska unchecked, though.
    The rebel of the 21st Century will be old-fashioned.

    Western Civilization is collapsing. Modernity, particularly egalitarianism, has killed it. The solution is to implement a traditional-style civilization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    Assuming the veracity of what you have written here.
    Well, in fairness, I have focused on one factor, and there were, as in all contests, many factors that led to victory. There were certainly also people not living in NH who voted for NH as the best choice.

    But there were more people not living in Wyoming who nevertheless voted for Wyoming.

    In my opinion, the aggressive signing up of NH natives was the decisive factor that put NH over the top. Without those extra hundreds of votes, Wyoming, the second-place choice, would have come out on top.

    But, there is someone who will probably be along shortly to give you the pro-NH point of view.
    The rebel of the 21st Century will be old-fashioned.

    Western Civilization is collapsing. Modernity, particularly egalitarianism, has killed it. The solution is to implement a traditional-style civilization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helmuth_hubener View Post
    But, there is someone who will probably be along shortly to give you the pro-NH point of view.
    There is no pro-POV for me. Not in the wake of the truth. I would not have chosen NH in any event. But that's just me.
    "And thus I clothe my naked villany with old odd ends, stolen out of holy writ; and seem a saint when most I play a devil." -Shakespeare

    “We know that concessions of privileges are but titles of servitude.”

    "Giving alms to common beggars is naturally praised; because it seems
    to carry relief to the distressed and indigent: but when we observe the encouragement thence arising to idleness and debauchery, we regard that species of charity rather as a weakness than a virtue." -Hume

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    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    There is no pro-POV for me. Not in the wake of the truth. I would not have chosen NH in any event. But that's just me.
    I have never understood why NH was chosen when there were quite plainly better options on the table. Trying to 'take over' a liberal bastion in New England rather than employ the pioneer spirit and already fertile ground that is the American Midwest, was ignorance on display. I would support a second initiative to create an ACTUAL free state in a place like Wyoming or Idaho... THIS, I would think, would be a cause worthy of my effort and my dollars.
    There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
    -Major General Smedley Butler, USMC,
    Two-Time Congressional Medal of Honor Winner
    Author of, War is a Racket!

    It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    I have never understood why NH was chosen when there were quite plainly better options on the table. Trying to 'take over' a liberal bastion in New England rather than employ the pioneer spirit and already fertile ground that is the American Midwest, was ignorance on display. I would support a second initiative to create an ACTUAL free state in a place like Wyoming or Idaho... THIS, I would think, would be a cause worthy of my effort and my dollars.
    I think there is a WY free state initiative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlybee View Post
    I think there is a WY free state initiative.
    Info or website?? That would be awesome
    There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
    -Major General Smedley Butler, USMC,
    Two-Time Congressional Medal of Honor Winner
    Author of, War is a Racket!

    It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours.
    - Diogenes of Sinope

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    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    Info or website?? That would be awesome
    "Initiative" makes it sound way more full of life and, well, initiative, than is warranted. The website is here:

    http://freestatewyoming.org/

    I am speaking as a Founding Associate in the FSW who moved to Wyoming, and even specifically to north-east Wyoming, the target area, as part of the FSW project and then lived there for several years. I know probably most of the people who were involved. Many have since moved back. Some are still there. Currently it's a group of I would offhand-guess a couple dozen.
    The rebel of the 21st Century will be old-fashioned.

    Western Civilization is collapsing. Modernity, particularly egalitarianism, has killed it. The solution is to implement a traditional-style civilization.

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    my vote is still towards Alaska or a southern state. anybody with me?

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    or better yet lets all learn German and move to Liechtenstein. the American dream is over

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    Quote Originally Posted by helmuth_hubener View Post
    "Initiative" makes it sound way more full of life and, well, initiative, than is warranted. The website is here:

    http://freestatewyoming.org/

    I am speaking as a Founding Associate in the FSW who moved to Wyoming, and even specifically to north-east Wyoming, the target area, as part of the FSW project and then lived there for several years. I know probably most of the people who were involved. Many have since moved back. Some are still there. Currently it's a group of I would offhand-guess a couple dozen.
    So, it just fizzled?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jesse James View Post
    my vote is still towards Alaska or a southern state. anybody with me?
    West Virginia would be WAY better than NH, that much I can say for certain. Better climate. Hillbillies get a bad rap, sometimes deservedly, but overall I will take them over the typical denizen of any of the New England states. FAR more decent people on the average, and more open to reason, believe it or not.

    Charleston is shrinking - people are leaving in droves. Down something like 10 or 15 thousands in the past decade, now in the ca. of 45K. It is a bastion of comparative liberal infestation, but that could be readily remedied. Of the 12 states in which I have lived in the course of my life, WV is perhaps the most likely to accept actual liberty. The strong Christian base helps there. Strong, but not intrusive.

    Morgantown is a den of liberal pansy-werk because of the university. Not sure about Huntington, but I do not get the impression that the Marshall crowd are as much like snowflakes as that at WVU. Not sure of the east panhandle. I cannot imagine Harper's Ferry being anything other than über-liberal, but have not heard one way or t'other.

    Southern WV, where we first lived, would be all over free state status. The welfare leeches would riot, but we have plenty of guns and ammo here and could make very clear the choice to them of getting over it or getting out as the only alternatives to getting buried.

    Downside: state is notoriously unfriendly to free enterprise, but again I believe this could be remedied within a decade's time, if not sooner. A properly structured and delivered marketing/propaganda campaign could do the trick here. I would start by talking with every preacher in the state. I'd hit the rabbis too - both of them. The path to the hearts of a vast plurality of West Virginians is through their churches. I'm serious as a heart attack, too. Get the preachers on board and you would get the state on. There are so many accordant points between freedom and Christianity that find the right ones for presentation would like shooting fish in a barrel.

    Upsides: good climate, especially west of the Appalachians. Close proximity to DC, Pittsburgh, Columbus, Baltimore, Philly. Remote enough to make it a less-than first string target for anything violent - nobody gives a damn about WV, which is about its best feature.

    Real estate is dirt-cheap. I have seen houses for sale as little as $5K on the west ($#@!ty) side of Charleston. Get enough "good" people there and the pill whores and other vermin would be swept to other corners.

    It is a spectacularly pretty state. Mountains everywhere and lots of water.

    I'd do it here if I thought there were any hope of not being the only person working on it. I hold no such hope. Talk is fun. Work is, apparently, not.
    "And thus I clothe my naked villany with old odd ends, stolen out of holy writ; and seem a saint when most I play a devil." -Shakespeare

    “We know that concessions of privileges are but titles of servitude.”

    "Giving alms to common beggars is naturally praised; because it seems
    to carry relief to the distressed and indigent: but when we observe the encouragement thence arising to idleness and debauchery, we regard that species of charity rather as a weakness than a virtue." -Hume

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    Hillbillies get a bad rap

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    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    West Virginia would be WAY better than NH, that much I can say for certain. Better climate. Hillbillies get a bad rap, sometimes deservedly, but overall I will take them over the typical denizen of any of the New England states. FAR more decent people on the average, and more open to reason, believe it or not.

    Charleston is shrinking - people are leaving in droves. Down something like 10 or 15 thousands in the past decade, now in the ca. of 45K. It is a bastion of comparative liberal infestation, but that could be readily remedied. Of the 12 states in which I have lived in the course of my life, WV is perhaps the most likely to accept actual liberty. The strong Christian base helps there. Strong, but not intrusive.

    Morgantown is a den of liberal pansy-werk because of the university. Not sure about Huntington, but I do not get the impression that the Marshall crowd are as much like snowflakes as that at WVU. Not sure of the east panhandle. I cannot imagine Harper's Ferry being anything other than über-liberal, but have not heard one way or t'other.

    Southern WV, where we first lived, would be all over free state status. The welfare leeches would riot, but we have plenty of guns and ammo here and could make very clear the choice to them of getting over it or getting out as the only alternatives to getting buried.

    Downside: state is notoriously unfriendly to free enterprise, but again I believe this could be remedied within a decade's time, if not sooner. A properly structured and delivered marketing/propaganda campaign could do the trick here. I would start by talking with every preacher in the state. I'd hit the rabbis too - both of them. The path to the hearts of a vast plurality of West Virginians is through their churches. I'm serious as a heart attack, too. Get the preachers on board and you would get the state on. There are so many accordant points between freedom and Christianity that find the right ones for presentation would like shooting fish in a barrel.

    Upsides: good climate, especially west of the Appalachians. Close proximity to DC, Pittsburgh, Columbus, Baltimore, Philly. Remote enough to make it a less-than first string target for anything violent - nobody gives a damn about WV, which is about its best feature.

    Real estate is dirt-cheap. I have seen houses for sale as little as $5K on the west ($#@!ty) side of Charleston. Get enough "good" people there and the pill whores and other vermin would be swept to other corners.

    It is a spectacularly pretty state. Mountains everywhere and lots of water.

    I'd do it here if I thought there were any hope of not being the only person working on it. I hold no such hope. Talk is fun. Work is, apparently, not.
    I would be down if West Virginia wasn't founded so some Virginians could stay in the Union!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    So, it just fizzled?
    Yep.
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    Western Civilization is collapsing. Modernity, particularly egalitarianism, has killed it. The solution is to implement a traditional-style civilization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jesse James View Post
    or better yet lets all learn German and move to Liechtenstein. the American dream is over
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    I can tell that you've never been true to me,
    I can smell that you're acting so fearfully,
    I can hear what you're hoping I want to hear,
    I can feel the alarm bells are ringing in me.

    I can touch but I know you don't feel a thing,
    I can pray but I know you commit a sin,
    I can sense now it's all become clear to see,
    You're no good and you mean no good, treacherously.
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    Yeah but at least WV didn't vote for Clinton. It would make a way better free country than VA
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    I can tell that you've never been true to me,
    I can smell that you're acting so fearfully,
    I can hear what you're hoping I want to hear,
    I can feel the alarm bells are ringing in me.

    I can touch but I know you don't feel a thing,
    I can pray but I know you commit a sin,
    I can sense now it's all become clear to see,
    You're no good and you mean no good, treacherously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HitoKichi View Post
    Alemannic no less
    it's a high price to pay for freedom

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    I can touch but I know you don't feel a thing,
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    I can sense now it's all become clear to see,
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    Monaco is good for the short term but when the monarch dies it will go back to french rule from what i've heard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jesse James View Post
    I would be down if West Virginia wasn't founded so some Virginians could stay in the Union!
    Who cares what folks did 150 years ago? It makes no matter to us today. Not in this case, anyhow.

    This sort of reasoning is not unlike black people mooing and hoomering about slavery. It's done. Over. Fin. Finito. Fertig. Befejezett. законченный. 完成した. πεπερασμένος. Ferdig.

    ANCIENT FOIGIN' HISTORY.

    If WV is a good place now for this sort of project, why would anyone deny themselves the opportunity just because of the actions of those from five generations ago? It really makes no sense. Would you disagree?
    "And thus I clothe my naked villany with old odd ends, stolen out of holy writ; and seem a saint when most I play a devil." -Shakespeare

    “We know that concessions of privileges are but titles of servitude.”

    "Giving alms to common beggars is naturally praised; because it seems
    to carry relief to the distressed and indigent: but when we observe the encouragement thence arising to idleness and debauchery, we regard that species of charity rather as a weakness than a virtue." -Hume

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    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    Who cares what folks did 150 years ago? It makes no matter to us today. Not in this case, anyhow.

    This sort of reasoning is not unlike black people mooing and hoomering about slavery. It's done. Over. Fin. Finito. Fertig. Befejezett. законченный. 完成した. πεπερασμένος. Ferdig.

    ANCIENT FOIGIN' HISTORY.

    If WV is a good place now for this sort of project, why would anyone deny themselves the opportunity just because of the actions of those from five generations ago? It really makes no sense. Would you disagree?
    I just think there are better places is all. if it was the best place to go than sure.

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    Originally Posted by Origanalist
    So, it just fizzled?
    Quote Originally Posted by helmuth_hubener View Post
    Yep.
    And here I have to give props where due. The filthy progressives WORK for their perfidies. "Liberty" people do not, on average. Liberty is far more work, I concede, but come on. We see it even here - I have signed on to at least two "initiatives" here at RPF, and none of them went past talk, the last one not even getting a whole lot of that. It seems to me, and I could be mistaken, that the liberty people are really no different from the progressives in that they want $#@! to magically drop into their laps through the labor of others. Lots and lots of talk. Little to no work. It appears that America is become this, regardless of self-professed individual bent.

    I should cut some music, story line about how hopeless $#@! is and how $#@!ed we all are. I could play it 24x7 over the air and it would never get old.

    One foot in the grave and I'm looking for that banana peel for the other. This nonsense has gotten nearly that boring. Corruption and evil are ultimately boring. They are as nothing at all, save for the destruction they wreak upon people's lives.
    "And thus I clothe my naked villany with old odd ends, stolen out of holy writ; and seem a saint when most I play a devil." -Shakespeare

    “We know that concessions of privileges are but titles of servitude.”

    "Giving alms to common beggars is naturally praised; because it seems
    to carry relief to the distressed and indigent: but when we observe the encouragement thence arising to idleness and debauchery, we regard that species of charity rather as a weakness than a virtue." -Hume

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jesse James View Post
    I just think there are better places is all. if it was the best place to go than sure.

    OK. That's not what came across to me, but now that you've clarified, I'm good... or so my women tell me.

    What place to you think would be better?

    Of the 12 states in which I have resided...

    Texas is too big and too weird with the whole "law 'n order" mentality.

    Florida: too many New Yorkers. It would go nowhere.

    NY, NJ: bastions of rank and foul communism.

    PA: too left. No sense going in pissing upwind.

    CA: Need we even say anything.

    OR: gone WAY too far left.

    WA: Seattle way to infested with hard-left dullards. You'd have to import at least 150K people into the metro area just to start having a slight effect.

    AZ: Actually not a bad choice, if you can stand living with no water.

    CO: Too left. Denver's a fecal hole of liberalism, as is Boulder (hippie central).

    IL: Ugh... I'd rather die in a house fire.

    And, of course, WV. Not perfect, but a damned sight better than any of the others, save perhaps AZ.
    "And thus I clothe my naked villany with old odd ends, stolen out of holy writ; and seem a saint when most I play a devil." -Shakespeare

    “We know that concessions of privileges are but titles of servitude.”

    "Giving alms to common beggars is naturally praised; because it seems
    to carry relief to the distressed and indigent: but when we observe the encouragement thence arising to idleness and debauchery, we regard that species of charity rather as a weakness than a virtue." -Hume

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    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    OK. That's not what came across to me, but now that you've clarified, I'm good... or so my women tell me.

    What place to you think would be better?

    Of the 12 states in which I have resided...

    Texas is too big and too weird with the whole "law 'n order" mentality.

    Florida: too many New Yorkers. It would go nowhere.

    NY, NJ: bastions of rank and foul communism.

    PA: too left. No sense going in pissing upwind.

    CA: Need we even say anything.

    OR: gone WAY too far left.

    WA: Seattle way to infested with hard-left dullards. You'd have to import at least 150K people into the metro area just to start having a slight effect.

    AZ: Actually not a bad choice, if you can stand living with no water.

    CO: Too left. Denver's a fecal hole of liberalism, as is Boulder (hippie central).

    IL: Ugh... I'd rather die in a house fire.

    And, of course, WV. Not perfect, but a damned sight better than any of the others, save perhaps AZ.
    Liechtenstein or Switzerland but we need to learn German. our ancestors came to America to give us a better life and I want to do the same thing

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