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    Selena Gomez, oh my...

    I put this in the religion forum because I thought it best to discuss here as I will be coming from a Biblical perspective.

    Saw this floating around FB with a ton of various captions all of the "stupid liberal" bent.
    http://youngcons.com/celebrity-moron...ils-miserably/

    What did she post?
    http://instagram.com/p/qnOKwBujA9/


    Egads! She's siding with Hamas!
    She's SATAN!
    She's EVIL!
    What a dumb liberal!
    God will smite her for siding with Hamas!

    but what does the Bible (New Testament specifically) say about how a Christian should deal with their enemies?
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    Hmm there goes her career.
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    The idea it's liberal to care about the massacre of children, does not do conservatism a lot of justice...
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    Amen, Selena. Even the most pro Israel people should be saddened by the death of so many innocents.
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    The people in Palestine are 80% hebrew descendents of Christ. 80% of the people in Israel are Khazars from Russia. Gaza is a concentration camp plain and simple. It's a holocaust. The Zionist criminal cabal that controls Israel needs to be annihilated.

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    I don't even understand what is controversial about that picture. So we should treat the people in Gaza as subhuman and unworthy of human empathy?

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    It's binary logic. It gets really hard to know what is acceptable one week to the next. As in for a while a few years ago, it was in to be pro palestine, but now it is Bad. There is no middle ground, I think most sports are promoted to embed this type of thinking, from there it extends to everything.

    2 sides always, 1 Good 1 Bad. keep track, no middle ground.

    I notice this everywhere, if you criticize some general characteristic of women about something, YOU hate all women. If you think the military is to large, you want to disband the military entirely. If you dislike Obama, you must love Bush. Etc........ If you want to be rich, all you care about is money. Binary thinkers are just idiots, it's a good test to see if someone is worth the time. In that one case it kinda is binary, lol.

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    UK seems to get it
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    She's beautiful.
    Last edited by SilentBull; 07-22-2014 at 07:00 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malkusm View Post
    I don't even understand what is controversial about that picture. So we should treat the people in Gaza as subhuman and unworthy of human empathy?
    It's because the people of Gaza are seen as being complicit/supportive of Hamas's actions. Which is probably true to some extent considering recent polls show almost 40% in Gaza support using violent measures and over half want to reclaim all of historic Palestine as opposed to a two-state solution. And every dead or maimed child turns more people into supporting Hamas.

    Not saying that's a good reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muwahid View Post
    The idea it's liberal to care about the massacre of children, does not do conservatism a lot of justice...
    True that. I asked someone on another forum to "define leftist" recently because they said I was spreading leftist propaganda. THey put me on ignore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mosquitobite View Post
    I put this in the religion forum because I thought it best to discuss here as I will be coming from a Biblical perspective.

    Saw this floating around FB with a ton of various captions all of the "stupid liberal" bent.
    http://youngcons.com/celebrity-moron...ils-miserably/

    What did she post?
    http://instagram.com/p/qnOKwBujA9/
    Now I feel dirty after visiting that "Young Cons" site.

    Kudos to Gomez for posting that. The fact that posting such a simple message can bring so much bile is a sad commentary on the state of things right now
    "There never was a good war or a bad peace." ~ Benjamin Franklin

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    History will likely judge the Israeli oppression of Palestinians just as harshly as Apartheid, if not more.
    Stop believing stupid things

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tywysog Cymru View Post
    History will likely judge the Israeli oppression of Palestinians just as harshly as Apartheid, if not more.
    You may actually be more anti-Israel than me these days. I feel completely detached from that particular conflict.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    Amen, Selena. Even the most pro Israel people should be saddened by the death of so many innocents.
    I am, but I think it's sad that Hamas purposely puts their rockets in places where they know there will be large civilian casualties when Israel strikes back, for the sole purpose of generating sympathy from the international community. It's just a propaganda operation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traditional Conservative View Post
    I am, but I think it's sad that Hamas purposely puts their rockets in places where they know there will be large civilian casualties when Israel strikes back, for the sole purpose of generating sympathy from the international community. It's just a propaganda operation.
    What does the Bible (NT) tell us we should do for Hamas?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFanatic View Post
    You may actually be more anti-Israel than me these days. I feel completely detached from that particular conflict.
    I never thought you were anti-Israel, I thought you were just neutral on the whole matter. It really feels strange though, since I gave Israel an exception to my non-interventionist views for a while.
    Stop believing stupid things

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tywysog Cymru View Post
    I never thought you were anti-Israel, I thought you were just neutral on the whole matter. It really feels strange though, since I gave Israel an exception to my non-interventionist views for a while.
    I don't honestly know enough of the facts of the matter to have a strong opinion beyond base noninterventionism.

    But what I have read about what's going on in Palestine hasn't been good, and I know Ron Paul has called Gaza a "concentration camp" and I assume he's not just saying that for kicks (I respect what Ron says and I know he knows his stuff.)

    On the other side of that coin, I know that in a relative sense Israelis; and Israeli Christians in particular (Of course I care about everybody but I do care especially for my brothers and sisters in Christ) are freer than their counterparts in Islamic countries.

    On the other other side of that coin, I recognize that Israel doesn't exactly love Christians either, and I recognize that "freedom" is only a relative matter where "democracy" is involved. Israel, like the rest of the world, is not exactly "free" (neither is the US.)

    And then there's the fact that Israel, unlike Palestine or anywhere else in the Middle East, has the US kissing up to its interests and the US is basically promising to sanction any actions it takes. And, unlike Palestine or anywhere else in the Middle East, many American Evangelicals feel a RELIGIOUS obligation to Israel (This is wrong, of course.)

    So, I guess:

    Regarding Israel as Israel, I'm kind of neutral. In most conversations I'm usually OK with just saying that Israel should be left alone to defend itself and that it is capable of doing so. The unspoken implication being that I would say the same thing about anybody else (I typically use a somewhat pro-Israel attitude because I don't necessarily think the average person NEEDS to know what's going on over there so much as they just need to know that US involvement is killing us and should not be supported.)

    But that neutrality makes me feel somewhat anti-Israel in some ways, because of the extremely pro-Israel attitude of the US Government.

    So, I guess, I'm slightly"anti-Israel" emotionally but I'll probably come off with a slightly "pro-Israel" attitude in most real conversations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mosquitobite View Post
    What does the Bible (NT) tell us we should do for Hamas?
    It doesn't tell us to do anything. Frankly, we should stay out of the conflict. But we shouldn't tell Israel that they don't have the right to defend themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traditional Conservative View Post
    It doesn't tell us to do anything. Frankly, we should stay out of the conflict. But we shouldn't tell Israel that they don't have the right to defend themselves.
    And I'd assume you agree we shouldn't tell Palestine that either?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFanatic View Post
    And I'd assume you agree we shouldn't tell Palestine that either?
    We shouldn't, but they aren't defending themselves. They started the conflict.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traditional Conservative View Post
    We shouldn't, but they aren't defending themselves. They started the conflict.
    This is something I'm not historically convinced of. To my understanding the conflict started in 1948 when Jewish people moved in and took over "Israel", where Palestinians formerly lived. But, maybe my understanding is wrong. I don't know for sure which is why I don't usually comment that strongly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFanatic View Post
    This is something I'm not historically convinced of. To my understanding the conflict started in 1948 when Jewish people moved in and took over "Israel", where Palestinians formerly lived. But, maybe my understanding is wrong. I don't know for sure which is why I don't usually comment that strongly.
    Well, that's complicated, but I just meant that Hamas started the current conflict.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traditional Conservative View Post
    Well, that's complicated, but I just meant that Hamas started the current conflict.
    Has the conflict ever even stopped between now and 1948?

    And (here's an interesting question), if Iraq were to attack the US in 2015, could the US realistically claim that it was defending itself? Considering that the US just ended a war in that country? How long would it have to be before such an attack by Iraq were actually to count as aggressive on their part?



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    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFanatic View Post
    Has the conflict ever even stopped between now and 1948?

    And (here's an interesting question), if Iraq were to attack the US in 2015, could the US realistically claim that it was defending itself? Considering that the US just ended a war in that country? How long would it have to be before such an attack by Iraq were actually to count as aggressive on their part?
    The conflict starts and stops all the time, at least as far as military action is concerned. There are times when things are relatively peaceful, then something happens and the two sides start fighting again. I'm not exactly sure how to answer your question, but I have one for you. What's your view regarding whether the formation of Israel as a Jewish nation in 1948 is something that's prophesied in the Bible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traditional Conservative View Post
    What's your view regarding whether the formation of Israel as a Jewish nation in 1948 is something that's prophesied in the Bible?
    If it is fulfillment of the prophecy then I think we in America have a bunch of pansy scared Christians that aren't comfortable with their level of faith.

    I also think it's blasphemous on the part of American Christians to feel so strongly that God NEEDS us or that He'll smite us if we turn from Israel. Pfft.

    God's will is God's will, and if it does have anything to do with us Americans - well we failed when we elected Obama - He allowed that to happen, so He must have a purpose for it!
    Few men have virtue enough to withstand the highest bidder. ~GEORGE WASHINGTON, letter, Aug. 17, 1779

    Quit yer b*tching and whining and GET INVOLVED!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mosquitobite View Post
    If it is fulfillment of the prophecy then I think we in America have a bunch of pansy scared Christians that aren't comfortable with their level of faith.

    I also think it's blasphemous on the part of American Christians to feel so strongly that God NEEDS us or that He'll smite us if we turn from Israel. Pfft.

    God's will is God's will, and if it does have anything to do with us Americans - well we failed when we elected Obama - He allowed that to happen, so He must have a purpose for it!
    Yeah, that's a good point. If it's God's intention that Israel be a Jewish homeland, and if it's prophesied in the Bible, then God will take care of them without our help. But at the same time, my only point is that our government shouldn't be anti Israel by interfering in their internal affairs, telling them they don't have the right to defend themselves, trying to get them to give up more of their own land, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFanatic View Post
    I don't honestly know enough of the facts of the matter to have a strong opinion beyond base noninterventionism.

    But what I have read about what's going on in Palestine hasn't been good, and I know Ron Paul has called Gaza a "concentration camp" and I assume he's not just saying that for kicks (I respect what Ron says and I know he knows his stuff.)

    On the other side of that coin, I know that in a relative sense Israelis; and Israeli Christians in particular (Of course I care about everybody but I do care especially for my brothers and sisters in Christ) are freer than their counterparts in Islamic countries.
    Christians are free in Syria as long as Assad remains in power, but Israel certainly isn't worse than most of its neighbors (especially our ally Saudi Arabia).

    On the other other side of that coin, I recognize that Israel doesn't exactly love Christians either, and I recognize that "freedom" is only a relative matter where "democracy" is involved. Israel, like the rest of the world, is not exactly "free" (neither is the US.)
    Most of the Christians there are Palestinian, and are treated just like the Muslim population.

    And then there's the fact that Israel, unlike Palestine or anywhere else in the Middle East, has the US kissing up to its interests and the US is basically promising to sanction any actions it takes. And, unlike Palestine or anywhere else in the Middle East, many American Evangelicals feel a RELIGIOUS obligation to Israel (This is wrong, of course.)
    This is the part that makes me sick.

    So, I guess:

    Regarding Israel as Israel, I'm kind of neutral. In most conversations I'm usually OK with just saying that Israel should be left alone to defend itself and that it is capable of doing so. The unspoken implication being that I would say the same thing about anybody else (I typically use a somewhat pro-Israel attitude because I don't necessarily think the average person NEEDS to know what's going on over there so much as they just need to know that US involvement is killing us and should not be supported.)
    People just assume that Palestinians are terrorists where I live. Some people sympathize with the Palestinians (including my old US History teacher, who has horrible views on everything except pot and foreign policy). I never talked to the Muslims I went to school with about the conflict.

    But that neutrality makes me feel somewhat anti-Israel in some ways, because of the extremely pro-Israel attitude of the US Government.

    So, I guess, I'm slightly"anti-Israel" emotionally but I'll probably come off with a slightly "pro-Israel" attitude in most real conversations.
    My main problems with Israel are its oppression of the Palestinian people (including many Christians) and its funding of abortion. All of these are coming out of our tax dollars. Israel is the only Middle Eastern country IIRC where abortion is even legal, but they go as far as to offer women aged 20 to 33 free abortions. If anyone applied Israeli economic policy to the US, most of the pro-Israel people would rightly decry it as socialism. Israel sucks, so does the rest of the region, but most of the other countries aren't supported by the US 100% of the time.
    Stop believing stupid things

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tywysog Cymru View Post
    My main problems with Israel are its oppression of the Palestinian people (including many Christians) and its funding of abortion. All of these are coming out of our tax dollars. Israel is the only Middle Eastern country IIRC where abortion is even legal, but they go as far as to offer women aged 20 to 33 free abortions. If anyone applied Israeli economic policy to the US, most of the pro-Israel people would rightly decry it as socialism. Israel sucks, so does the rest of the region, but most of the other countries aren't supported by the US 100% of the time.
    Yeah, also keep in mind, that the modern state of Israel was set up by the United Nations. I view it as a counterfeit. Israel does not adhere to Biblical law or economics in anyway. Most modern Christians are pathetically blind in their support of it. God blessed the Israelites when they kept his commands.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    Yeah, also keep in mind, that the modern state of Israel was set up by the United Nations. I view it as a counterfeit. Israel does not adhere to Biblical law or economics in anyway. Most modern Christians are pathetically blind in their support of it. God blessed the Israelites when they kept his commands.
    It's hard trying to get people through to people who are programmed to think that Israel is God's chosen nation and their every action must be right. I used to support Israel partly for religious reasons, though I always thought they should have treated the Palestinians better.
    Stop believing stupid things

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