How ironic. I've seen no debate from you, merely irrational screeds and paranoid delusions that my name is Atkisson or Evans or that I'm a government agent. Until you have something constructive to add to the discussion, you are simply wasting everyone's time.Originally Posted by dude58677
You are no longer welcome here and we will never believe you no matter what you tell us. That is the bottom line!
Last edited by dude58677; 07-24-2014 at 10:41 AM.
No w Now we all know this a satire site.
“[T]he enshrinement of constitutional rights necessarily takes certain policy choices off the table.” (Heller, 554 U.S., at ___, 128 S.Ct., at 2822.)
How long before "going liberal" replaces "going postal"?
Hi Liberty Minded Folks
I would argue that a statute or law requiring a citizen to file a tax return is Unconstitutional. It is a violation of your 5th amendment right.
The filing of a return can and will be used against you, therefore, citizens unknowingly surrender their 5th amendment right when they file said tax return.
The filing of a return also gives the most corrupt government agency jurisdiction over the person signing said return. Why would any liberty minded person enter into a contract with the IRS? Is it fear of fee's, penalties, and or incarceration? Yes, indeed. Learn and know your rights and the fear will disappear.
My .02
Best regards.
Acesfull
3. Contention: Taxpayers do not have to file returns or provide financial information because of the protection against self-incrimination found in the Fifth Amendment.
Some individuals or groups claim that taxpayers may refuse to file federal income tax returns, or may submit tax returns on which they refuse to provide any financial information, because they believe that their Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination will be violated.
The Law: There is no constitutional right to refuse to file an income tax return on the ground that it violates the Fifth Amendment privilege against self?incrimination. As the Supreme Court has stated, a taxpayer cannot “draw a conjurer’s circle around the whole matter by his own declaration that to write any word upon the government blank would bring him into danger of the law.” United States v. Sullivan, 274 U.S. 259, 264 (1927). The failure to comply with the filing and reporting requirements of the federal tax laws will not be excused based upon blanket assertions of the constitutional privilege against compelled self?incrimination under the Fifth Amendment.
The IRS discussed this frivolous argument in more detail and warned taxpayers of the consequences of attempting to pursue a claim on these grounds. Rev. Rul. 2005-19, 2005-1 C.B. 819.
Relevant Case Law:
Sochia v. Commissioner, 23 F.3d 941 (5th Cir. 1994) – the court affirmed tax assessments and penalties for failure to file returns, failure to pay taxes, and filing a frivolous return and imposed sanctions for pursuing a frivolous case because the taxpayers claimed a Fifth Amendment privilege on each line calling for financial information, rather than provide any information on their tax return about income and expenses.
United States v. Neff, 615 F.2d 1235, 1241 (9th Cir. 1980) – the court affirmed a failure to file conviction, noting that the taxpayer “did not show that his response to the tax form questions would have been self-incriminating. He cannot, therefore, prevail on his Fifth Amendment claim.”
United States v. Schiff, 612 F.2d 73, 83 (2d Cir. 1979) – the court said that “the Fifth Amendment privilege does not immunize all witnesses from testifying. Only those who assert as to each particular question that the answer to that question would tend to incriminate them are protected . . . . [T]he questions in the income tax return are neutral on their face . . . [h]ence privilege may not be claimed against all disclosure on an income tax return.”
United States v. Brown, 600 F.2d 248, 252 (10th Cir. 1979) – the court held Brown made “an illegal effort to stretch the Fifth Amendment to include a taxpayer who wishes to avoid filing a return.”
United States v. Daly, 481 F.2d 28, 30 (8th Cir. 1973) – the court affirmed a failure to file conviction, rejecting the taxpayer’s Fifth Amendment claim because of his “error in . . . his blanket refusal to answer any questions on the returns relating to his income or expenses.”
Sovcit nonsense. The federal government's jurisdiction is not limited by contract law.
No one here believes anything you say. Stop wasting yours and everyone's time.
And that is precisely the point now isn't it? To pay an individual income tax that no public law has yet made them liable.
Clearly, it states only that “if any person is required to file a return” in order to “pay the tax” of their own self-assessment; ergo, the entire process is in accordance with the individual’s own personal determination—to wit no underlying obligation for liability has been made apparent for individuals.
Again, in sum the statutes as written make is quite clear that the Legislature felt it prudent to ‘make liable’ those ‘required’ within other sections where the context does not pertain to American individuals; this showing an intended pattern and practice within their legislative tact (e.g., this is comparable to the concern over the term ‘United States’ within 26 USC, which in every other United States Code, explicitly excludes the several states).
If you only purpose being here is to copy and paste, your mission is self-defeating. Unless you are willing to go that effort step and synthesis the position you are supportive to, you really don’t need to be here and may kindly show yourself out, upon your own willpower.
Is this by any chance J.J. Macnab? So tell us all, did your good friend Jay Adkisson, err, my bad… “Sonny Tufts” invite you over here to seek out new material for your book, now a decade in the making? How is that working out for the both of you?
…Say I was wondering, is this considered a promotion for somebody such as you? (Just curious.)
ETA:
...Now if there were true then IRS forms would not contain a jurat, and which long ago required personal affidavit verification. Ergo, the IRS requires that you enter into an agreement of truthful willfulness—consequently waving your right against self-incrimination—with them otherwise they consider your income tax return to be incomplete or invalid.
Last edited by Weston White; 07-27-2014 at 08:04 PM.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding one’s self in the ranks of the insane.” — Marcus Aurelius
“They’re not buying it. CNN, you dumb bastards!” — President Trump 2020
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Have you considered treatment for your paranoia?
Have you considered that no one here cares what you think and you are wasting everyone's time?
To quote you in response:
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding one’s self in the ranks of the insane.” — Marcus Aurelius
“They’re not buying it. CNN, you dumb bastards!” — President Trump 2020
Consilio et Animis de Oppresso Liber
Sovereign Citizenship validated.
§26. State Sovereignty
Section 26. The people of this state have the sole and exclusive right of governing themselves as a free and sovereign state; and do, and forever hereafter shall, exercise and enjoy every power, jurisdiction, and right, pertaining thereto, which is not, or may not hereafter be, by them expressly delegated to the United States of America in congress assembled.
“[T]he enshrinement of constitutional rights necessarily takes certain policy choices off the table.” (Heller, 554 U.S., at ___, 128 S.Ct., at 2822.)
How long before "going liberal" replaces "going postal"?
That doesn't mean that each person is a state. It's talking about 'the people' as a collective in creating the state of Louisiana. Many other states have a similarly worded section.
I'm sorry, there are two states ( actually 3 ). The state of the union which is guaranteed a republican form of government. There is a collection of territories ( area's ) that exclusive legislative jurisdiction has been transferred to the United States ( under article 1 section 8 clause 17-18, article 4 section 2 clause 2) in which there has been a retocession of partial legislative jurisdiction back to the state. You can discover more about this fictional "state within a state" in the Interdepartmental study Jurisdiction over Federal areas within the states. The file names tend to be fedjuris ( then a part number ). In addition there is another form of state called "condition of person" look that one up in Blacks. J Edgar Hoover on page vii of the introduction of Masters of Deceit" advised " never forget the very definition of the communist party is a state within a state"... . You can also see the two states in various state laws concerning communist propaganda such as Louisiana Revised Statutes 14:390 et. seq.
That doesn't mean that each person is a state. It's talking about 'the people' as a collective in creating the state of Louisiana. Many other states have a similarly worded section.
It is not easy to win with this argument, but the reality of the situation is there is a federal states in disquise as the constitutional state of the union which attempts to deny that said state of the union exists. You can also see it in the definitions in each states income and sales and use tax laws. Look specifically for the terms In this state, in the state, and within the state. It is also fairly plain to see in 4 USC 110 (d) and the section of the interdepartmental study previously mentioned by searching for Buck Act.
Here is another classic example of where you can see them, which was held unconstitutional because of intentional misapplication to people instead of government and its agents.
LA Rev Stat § 14:390
§390. Declaration of public policy
In the interpretation and application of R.S. 14:390 and the Subsections thereof, and as a result of certain evidence having been presented to the Joint Legislative Committee on Un-American Activities of this Legislature, the public policy of this state is declared to be as follows:
There exists a clear, present and distinct danger to the security of the state of Louisiana and the well-being and security of the citizens of Louisiana arising from the infiltration of a significant amount of communist propaganda into the state. In addition, this state is a stopping place or "way station" for sizeable shipments of dangerous communist propaganda to the rest of the United States and to many foreign countries.
The danger of communist propaganda lies not in its being "different" in the philosophy it expresses from the philosophy generally held in this state and nation, but instead in the fact that it is a specific tool or weapon used by the communists for the express purpose of bringing about the forcible total destruction or subjugation of this state and nation and the total eradication of the philosophy of freedom upon which this state and nation were founded. "Words are bullets" and the communists know it and use them so. Whatever guarantees of sovereignty and freedom are enjoyed by this state and its citizens are certain to vanish if the United States of America is destroyed or taken over by the communists, and we therefore declare that any communist effort by propaganda infiltration or otherwise against the United States is and should rightly be considered an attack upon or clear and present danger to the state of Louisiana and its citizens. Such attacks should therefore be the subject of concurrent jurisdiction through remedial legislation such as is now in effect on both the state and federal level concerning such dangers as the narcotics traffic, bank robbery, kidnapping, etc. We hereby declare that the danger of communist propaganda infiltration is even greater than the danger from narcotics, pornographic literature, switch blade knives, burglar tools or illicit alcohol in dry jurisdictions, all of which have been the subject of valid statutory regulation by the States within the constitutional framework. The federal legislation on this subject matter is either inadequate in its scope, or not being effectively enforced, as much communistic propaganda material unlabeled and unidentified as such, is in fact entering the state of Louisiana at this time.
We further declare that communist propaganda, properly identified in terms similar to those used in the Foreign Agents Registration Act of the United States, is hereby identified as illicit dangerous contraband material. We further declare that certain exemptions hereinafter provided are for the purpose of allowing bona fide students of foreign languages, foreign affairs or foreign political systems, other interested individuals, and also bona fide educational institutions, to obtain this contraband upon specifically requesting its delivery for the purpose of personal or institutional use in the due course of the educational process. We do not believe that the possession or use of such material by knowing and informed individuals for their personal use is any significant danger, and in fact it might be of some benefit in informing such individuals of the cynical and insidious nature of the communist party line. In view of these facts and so that any user of such materials will be adequately forewarned, we declare that all such material in any way entering the state of Louisiana should be required to be clearly labeled as communist propaganda as hereinafter provided.
§390.1. Definition of communist propaganda
(1) "Communist propaganda" means any oral, visual, graphic, written, pictorial or other communication which is issued, prepared, printed, procured, distributed or disseminated by the Soviet Union, any of its satellite countries, or by the government of any other communist country or any agent of the Soviet Union, its satellite countries or any other communist country, wherever located, or by any communist organization, communist action organization, communist front organization, communist infiltrated organization or communist controlled organization or by any agent of any such organization, which communication or material from any of the above listed sources is
(a) reasonably adopted to, or which the person disseminating the same believes will, or which he intends to, prevail upon, indoctrinate, convert, induce, or in any way influence a recipient or any section of the public with reference to the political or public interests, policies or relations of a government of a foreign country or a foreign political party, or promote in the United States or the state of Louisiana, any attitude or state of mind that tends to undermine the determination of any citizen of the United States or of any of the various states to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States or the constitutions of the respective states, or tends to create or encourage disrespect for duly constituted legal authority, either federal or state, or
(b) which advocates, advises, instigates or promotes any racial, social, political or religious disorder, civil riot, or other conflict involving the use of force or violence in the United States, the state of Louisiana or any other American republic, or the overthrow of any government or political subdivision of the United States, the state of Louisiana or any other American republic by any means involving the use of force or violence.
(2) For the purposes of R.S. 14:390-14:390.8, the fact that an organization has been officially cited or identified by the attorney general of the United States, the subversive activities control board of the United States or any committee of the United States Congress as a communist organization, a communist action organization, a communist front organization or a communist infiltrated organization or has been in any other way officially cited or identified by any of these aforementioned authorities as a communist controlled organization, shall be considered presumptive evidence of the factual status of any such organization.
§390.2. Acts prohibited
It shall be a felony for any person to knowingly, willfully and intentionally deliver, distribute, disseminate or store communist propaganda in the state of Louisiana except under the specific exemptions hereinafter provided.
§390.3. Legitimate procurement of contraband
Bona fide students of foreign languages, foreign affairs, or foreign political systems, other interested individuals, and also bona fide officially accredited educational institutions may obtain communist propaganda and have the same legally delivered to them within the state of Louisiana upon specifically requesting the delivery of the same for the purpose of personal or institutional use in the due course of the educational process. All such communist propaganda legally entering this state under this exemption shall be clearly and legibly labeled on both the front and back cover thereof, or on the front if not covered, with the words "Communist Propaganda" printed or stamped conspicuously in red ink, and failure to so label said material shall constitute a violation of R.S. 14:390-14:390.8 on the part of the sender or distributor thereof, the violation to be considered to take place at the point of actual delivery to the ultimate user who requested the material.
§390.4. Venue
Violations of R.S. 14:390-14:390.8 are considered to take place at the location where the prohibited contraband material is found, either stored in bulk or placed in the hands of the ultimate user.
§390.5. Warehousing and storage
It is the duty of the sheriffs of the respective parishes, upon the finding of any bulk storage of any communist propaganda, to enter upon the premises where the material is found, clear the premises of all human occupants, and padlock the premises until judicially ordered to reopen them. The owner of any padlocked premises may, upon application to the district court of proper jurisdiction and upon showing the court that the premises can be immediately cleared of the prohibited contraband material, obtain an order from the court to the sheriff, authorizing him to supervise the removal of the contraband by the owner of the premises and to re-open the premises thereafter.
All communist propaganda discovered in the state of Louisiana in violation of R.S. 14:390-14:390.8 shall be seized and after proper identification and upon summary order of the district court of proper jurisdiction, destroyed, unless needed for official purposes.
§390.7. Penalties
Any person who violates any of the provisions of R.S. 14:390-14:390.6 shall be fined not more than ten thousand dollars or imprisoned at hard labor for not more than six years, or both.
§390.8. Short title
R.S. 14:390 through 14:390.7 may be cited as the "Communist Propaganda Control Law."
Please don't respond to this post till you have thoroughly researched your own states laws on the subject matter because it just might take a while for you to get home.
Last edited by mrsat_98; 08-03-2014 at 06:35 AM.
“[T]he enshrinement of constitutional rights necessarily takes certain policy choices off the table.” (Heller, 554 U.S., at ___, 128 S.Ct., at 2822.)
How long before "going liberal" replaces "going postal"?
I don't see any contradiction whatsoever within that terrible anti-liberty bill you pasted. There's nothing there to validate your sovcit concepts of multiple states, no matter how much you bold and underline.
Other things:
1) Black's dictionary is not the constitution or law.
2) You don't understand what Hoover was saying.
This is 4 USC 110, and it's very clear and easy to understand. It also states at the top that its definitions only apply to 4 USC 105-109, so this falls into the very same game of playing contradictory definitions against each other from this thread. That's not how law works. These definitions are used when talking about sales and use taxes, not the United States in general. I'm going to go full bold, underline, and italics because more emphasis = more true.
As used in sections 105–109 of this title—
(a) The term “person” shall have the meaning assigned to it in section 3797 of title 26.
(b) The term “sales or use tax” means any tax levied on, with respect to, or measured by, sales, receipts from sales, purchases, storage, or use of tangible personal property, except a tax with respect to which the provisions of section 104 of this title are applicable.
(c) The term “income tax” means any tax levied on, with respect to, or measured by, net income, gross income, or gross receipts.
(d) The term “State” includes any Territory or possession of the United States.
(e) The term “Federal area” means any lands or premises held or acquired by or for the use of the United States or any department, establishment, or agency, of the United States; and any Federal area, or any part thereof, which is located within the exterior boundaries of any State, shall be deemed to be a Federal area located within such State.
Anyone that reads the "anti-liberty bill" aka unconstitutional Communist propaganda control law will plainly see it was never intended to be applied to people and such application is anti liberty. It was intended to be applied to government and government agents.
As far as the buck act. Consider your FAT ASS as described on the documents at the SSA etc. and the government and its agents ( hopefully unknowingly ) deem you FAT ASS to be a Federal Area. I don't care for the concept that I am a walking talking federal area it is repulsive and I don't live or work in a Federal Area.
“[T]he enshrinement of constitutional rights necessarily takes certain policy choices off the table.” (Heller, 554 U.S., at ___, 128 S.Ct., at 2822.)
How long before "going liberal" replaces "going postal"?
No one will believe you so leave.
CZO 001 states:
I don't owe you $#@! and have every right to back this lawl with whatever force deemed appropriate.
No less validity than the USC crap.
“One may come to the aid of another being unlawfully arrested, just as he may where one is being assaulted, molested, raped or kidnapped. Thus it is not an offense to liberate one from the unlawful custody of an officer, even though he may have submitted to such custody, without resistance.” (Adams v. State, 121 Ga. 16, 48 S.E. 910).
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