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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    Mosquitoes need a damp environment as well as stagnant pools of water to breed. Mice need a food source. So just keeping your grass long won't necessarily lead to a propagation.
    Mice need ground cover. There is no difference to them between pachysandra or well-manicured/mulched landscaping and overgrown lots.
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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by jbauer View Post
    So you neg-repped me for neg repping you. Are we allowed to post university studies as scientific evidence? Or are we all to dumb for that? Conversely my Brother-in-law is the state entomologist for the state of WV. Would you like to talk to him?

    http://www-rci.rutgers.edu/~insects/house.htm

    From the article: Mosquitoes do not breed in tall grass as many people have been led to believe.

    Edit: Oh, and the powers that be wont let me negrep you again so if someone else could do so that would be great.
    If you want to live in the city, then you can't act like a dumbass. Did I say mosquitos bred in the long grass? No, I didn't. You know why I didn't say that? Because mosquitos don't breed in the grass, moron. But the adults do indeed hide there during the day. If you don't believe me, go cut your nasty long ass grass and you will absolutely see a drop in the mosquito population.

    And you will also see less mice, snakes and other creatures around your house too.

    Gotta tell you, these days it gives me pleasure to know that my local government pisses people like you off when they ticket them for not taking care of their property. If you want to live in a dump, go live in the country where nobody cares. If you want to live in the city, stop whining about having to cut the damned grass.



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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    Mosquitoes need a damp environment as well as stagnant pools of water to breed. Mice need a food source. So just keeping your grass long won't necessarily lead to a propagation.
    Sigh. Even you?

    Again - at no point did I say that mosquitos bred in the tall grass.

  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by otherone View Post
    Mice need ground cover. There is no difference to them between pachysandra or well-manicured/mulched landscaping and overgrown lots.
    Now you guys are not even trying to be factual. You're just making stuff up.

  7. #35
    http://www.ktxs.com/news/people-in-a...onday/21079994

    Letting your grass grow above a foot high is a crime in Abilene it’s defined by city regulations as a public nuisance, a Class C misdemeanor, and it’s punishable by up to a $500 fine.

    City code enforcement officers said overgrown lawns are the number one complaint they get and it costs taxpayers more than $20,000 every year.
    I could understand something like 2 feet on non-farmland/wild fields, especially if the house was on a main road or something, with poisonous snakes and such in Texas. Where I live, a near-by yard recently had grass that was over 2 feet. It stared out normal but by the time the bank took the house, it looked like a wild field.

    Still, I didn't call the police. What I did do was not walk in that grass. Heck, I didn't own the land anyway so it was pretty easy to not go in the grass.

    Anyone who is injured or on vacation and is temporarily unable to treat their grass or weeds can call code enforcement and let them know.
    That's right. If you get injured or take a vacation, make sure to let the government know!
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  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Now you guys are not even trying to be factual. You're just making stuff up.
    I've been an exterminator for 26 years. Tall grass provides cover against predators. So does shrubs. And debris. Any ground cover. Frankly, if your concern is vermin, and vermin prefers "tall grass", you should be happy your neighbor provides harborage, as, according to your logic, the vermin won't dare step in your well-maintained yard.
    All modern revolutions have ended in a reinforcement of the power of the State.
    -Albert Camus

  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by otherone View Post
    I've been an exterminator for 26 years. Tall grass provides cover against predators. So does shrubs. And debris. Any ground cover. Frankly, if your concern is vermin, and vermin prefers "tall grass", you should be happy your neighbor provides harborage, as, according to your logic, the vermin won't dare step in your well-maintained yard.
    So you are here telling me that a habitat that provides cover against predators somehow won't increase the population of neighborhood vermin. SMFH.

    I'd rather keep the little bastards out in the country where they belong. Which is much easier to do when the neighbors are not too lazy to even cut their freaking grass.
    Last edited by angelatc; 07-21-2014 at 02:40 PM.

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    I'd rather keep the little bastards out in the country where they belong. Which is much easier to do when the neighbors are not too lazy to even cut their freaking grass.
    Mice are commensal. Where we are; they are.
    I understand your concern....if the possibility of vermin wasn't an issue, would you still have a concern about uncut lawns?
    Here's a slippery slope example:
    Norway rats need running water in their habitat, so they frequent the banks of creeks and streams. Often, they follow storm drains to suburban communities, and wind up living in garages, or under decks, or in basements. The first question I ask customers if they report a suspected rat infestation is if they own a dog. Rats LOVE dry dog food.
    As a community, should we ban dog ownership?
    There are a lot of other scenarios. We can talk lyme disease next...should we MANDATE deer-proofing?
    All modern revolutions have ended in a reinforcement of the power of the State.
    -Albert Camus

  11. #39
    So here's what you said: "Personally, I prefer not to live in a community where the vermin and mosquitos are free to set up shop in the abandoned property next door. "

    So if setting up shop isn't breeding then what is it? Its just hanging out? Did they breed in your short grass and then go over to the abandoned place? Or did they all get on their smartphones and tell the "breeding area" about where they could find tall grass?

    Again, why are you on a liberty forum? Why should you be able to use the strong arm of the law to tell others what to do? How is that any different then Obama telling people the had to buy health insurance or face fines? Or Feinstein wanting to take your gun away?

    Is it just because you agree with the grass laws but not with other laws?

    If you want to live in the city how about you buy up the neighboring lots so you can have them exactly the way you want them? Otherwise stay the F out of your neighbors business.

    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    If you want to live in the city, then you can't act like a dumbass. Did I say mosquitos bred in the long grass? No, I didn't. You know why I didn't say that? Because mosquitos don't breed in the grass, moron. But the adults do indeed hide there during the day. If you don't believe me, go cut your nasty long ass grass and you will absolutely see a drop in the mosquito population.

    And you will also see less mice, snakes and other creatures around your house too.

    Gotta tell you, these days it gives me pleasure to know that my local government pisses people like you off when they ticket them for not taking care of their property. If you want to live in a dump, go live in the country where nobody cares. If you want to live in the city, stop whining about having to cut the damned grass.

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    I'd rather keep the little bastards out in the country where they belong. Which is much easier to do when the neighbors are not too lazy to even cut their freaking grass.
    I don't want the mice at my place either. I say keep em in the city.

    Mice need a FOOD SUPPLY. Abandoned lots don't have a food supply. People's kitchens and garbage do. They didn't show up to live in the grass. They came to get something to eat. As far as cover. There is plenty of cover on anyone's property, tall grass or not.



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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by jbauer View Post
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    Again, why are you on a liberty forum? .
    I have never claimed to be an anarchist. I joined to try to stop the federal government from overstepping it's constitutional powers. I have always been supportive of states rights and by extension, the rights of local governments.

    That's the same thing Ron Paul believes, so perhaps you should ask yourself why you're here.

  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by jbauer View Post
    I don't want the mice at my place either. I say keep em in the city.

    Mice need a FOOD SUPPLY. Abandoned lots don't have a food supply. People's kitchens and garbage do. They didn't show up to live in the grass. They came to get something to eat. As far as cover. There is plenty of cover on anyone's property, tall grass or not.
    A food supply. You mean, like CROPS?

    I have lived in the city and I have lived in the country. We had more mice try to move in to the homes we had in the country than we ever did in the city. (We also had cats, so they never lasted long.)

    Part of that is likely because the habitat in the country is more conducive to breeding mice and rats. Where as in the city, people cut their damned grass.

  16. #43
    What's the difference between telling someone that is in a $#@!ty job situation to "just find another job", or someone who has to fly as a requirement of their job to "just not fly" and telling someone who doesn't like their neighbor's high grass to "just find another place to live"?

  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    What's the difference between telling someone that is in a $#@!ty job situation to "just find another job", or someone who has to fly as a requirement of their job to "just not fly" and telling someone who doesn't like their neighbor's high grass to "just find another place to live"?
    The difference is that the people who bought both houses bought them with the knowledge that the community standards would be both expected and enforced.

    If you do not want to cut your grass, but the local law says you must, then you need to either cut your grass or sell your house.

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Part of that is likely because the habitat in the country is more conducive to breeding mice and rats. Where as in the city, people cut their damned grass.
    Different species.
    All modern revolutions have ended in a reinforcement of the power of the State.
    -Albert Camus

  19. #46
    Lady, I grew up on a dairy farm. My family and I live on a farm. I know exactly what causes and doesn't cause mice. Weeds don't cause mice. Now if your neighbor is growing a crop on his lot then asking him/her to mow it is quite socialist in nature isn't it?

    There's nothing constitutional about grass height. My guess is Dr. Paul would say it falls under personal property rights.

    The central question should be this: Does a local government or even just a majority have the right to tell you what MUST DO or MUST NOT DO with the threat of force through thugs with guns and cages on your own property?

    If so where is the line? Grass height? Flower arrangement? Pets? Skin color? Bedroom topics? Gun ownership? Where's the line? How much tyranny is acceptable to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    A food supply. You mean, like CROPS?

    I have lived in the city and I have lived in the country. We had more mice try to move in to the homes we had in the country than we ever did in the city. (We also had cats, so they never lasted long.)

    Part of that is likely because the habitat in the country is more conducive to breeding mice and rats. Where as in the city, people cut their damned grass.

  20. #47
    What if I could buy enough politicians off so they passed laws that said:

    All residents must now support the furher at all times without question. Jews shall be labeled as undesirables and "dealt with". Books shall be burned. Unjust treaties shall be broken? Any of that ok?

  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by jbauer View Post

    There's nothing constitutional about grass height.
    Which is why the conversation doesn't actually $#@!ing belong in Ron Paul forums, isn't it?

    The central question should be this: Does a local government or even just a majority have the right to tell you what MUST DO or MUST NOT DO with the threat of force through thugs with guns and cages on your own property?

    If so where is the line? Grass height? Flower arrangement? Pets? Skin color? Bedroom topics? Gun ownership? Where's the line? How much tyranny is acceptable to you?
    Gun ownership is a constitutional issue. I guess you forgot that?


    As for the rest of it, I can't make it much clearer. I believe that local governments have the right to dictate community standards. As do HOA's.

    I would say I'm sorry that upsets you, but I actually don't give a rat's ass.



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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by jbauer View Post
    What if I could buy enough politicians off so they passed laws that said:

    All residents must now support the furher at all times without question. Jews shall be labeled as undesirables and "dealt with". Books shall be burned. Unjust treaties shall be broken? Any of that ok?


    How about addressing the actual issue at hand instead of just making something else up entirely? Or actually, don't. But this post right here? This is just so far beyond stupid it boggles the $#@!ing mind.


    (But amusingly enough - you're the one here crying that the "cut your lawn if you want to live here" treaty is somehow mercilessly unjust and the people breaking it shouldn't pay any penalty.)

    *ETA: I would point out that I have made the caveat that the rules should not be changed after the home is purchased. If you buy a house that comes with no law about grass height, then any future law about grass height should not apply to that property until the property again changes hands.

    After that, if you're dumb enough to buy a house in a neighborhood that demands you burn your books, then I'm assuming you probably don't read much anyway.
    Last edited by angelatc; 07-21-2014 at 03:20 PM.

  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by jbauer View Post
    What if I could buy enough politicians off so they passed laws that said:

    All residents must now support the furher at all times without question. Jews shall be labeled as undesirables and "dealt with". Books shall be burned. Unjust treaties shall be broken? Any of that ok?
    The law is the law.
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  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by otherone View Post
    I have a lot of customers here in the northeast that, while their lawns are immaculate, fail to regularly drain children's toys, buckets, or any outside vessels of standing water, leading to mosquito spikes. We have had heavy rainfall here, it's tough to keep up with, perhaps town councils can create laws and hire cops to police standing water and shoot dogs that intervene.
    Yep. I live in Florida. It's been raining the last 4 days nearly non-stop in my area. I literally just walked back inside doing exactly what you just described.

    Now, I know where the mosquitoes come from in my immediate area - and that's the neighbor on the rear of my property. Theirs is the oldest house in the 'hood, and with that, sits WAY lower than the houses surrounding his.

    And with that, there's ALWAYS a swamp at least 6 inches deep -even when it hasn't rained - that my privacy fence sits in.

    Thank god angelatc doesn't live here, as she'd just tell them they need to move. Or raise their house. Or put dirt down to raise the property level(which would then flood his house).

    Luckily for them, I live here. His wife is a brain AND breast cancer survivor. He's had 4 heart attacks and a stroke in the last 5 years. They both work low-paying jobs, because well - that's what's around here. I work 60+ hours a week, and still find the time to cut their grass, and then I toss a couple of "Mosquito Dunks" into the swamp to control them(seeing as how our beloved govt can't seem to ever get the mosquito control truck out to my hood).

    I'm sure they can afford a $500 fine, or maybe a week delay or so in pay since you can't work from jail, all because people like angela don't like how it looks. And that is your actual issue here, and you know it.

    And as far as you questioning why others are here (because of Ron Paul)....I'm positive he would go offer to help his neighbors remedy the situation, and that he would NEVER call guys with guns to extract a ransom from them to appease himself and then sit back and go "nanner nanner nanner, I showed you!".

    I'll bet you've called "authorities" more than once in your life...
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  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm View Post
    The law is the law.
    Damn straight!! Thank goodness for laws. I'm not sure how any of us could be decent to each other without them!!! Especially in the lawn care arena.

  27. #53
    The issue at hand in the use of gobernment mobsters to force private property to do or not do something or face additional taxation or cage time.

    I'm all on board with your caveat, although it didn't exist prior till now. If the rules existed prior to home purchase I'm good with it. However that's not this case. This is about a town passing new laws on existing homeowners.

    As for the book burnings. I live at the end of a dead end with one access point. I can't see my neighbors and I like that. That way some prissy can't tell me how long my lawn should be although I mow it regularly.

    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    How about addressing the actual issue at hand instead of just making something else up entirely? Or actually, don't. But this post right here? This is just so far beyond stupid it boggles the $#@!ing mind.


    (But amusingly enough - you're the one here crying that the "cut your lawn if you want to live here" treaty is somehow mercilessly unjust and the people breaking it shouldn't pay any penalty.)

    *ETA: I would point out that I have made the caveat that the rules should not be changed after the home is purchased. If you buy a house that comes with no law about grass height, then any future law about grass height should not apply to that property until the property again changes hands.

    After that, if you're dumb enough to buy a house in a neighborhood that demands you burn your books, then I'm assuming you probably don't read much anyway.

  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Don't like it? Live somewhere else.
    There is nowhere else, unless you live in the middle of a f***ing forest and even then you might get kicked out for being on "government" property
    A savage barbaric tribal society where thugs parade the streets and illegally assault and murder innocent civilians, yeah that is the alternative to having police. Oh wait, that is the police

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  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    The difference is that the people who bought both houses bought them with the knowledge that the community standards would be both expected and enforced.

    If you do not want to cut your grass, but the local law says you must, then you need to either cut your grass or sell your house.
    How is a law dictating your grass length any different than a law dictating who you can hire or fire?

  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by coastie View Post

    And with that, there's ALWAYS a swamp at least 6 inches deep -even when it hasn't rained - that my privacy fence sits in.

    Thank god angelatc doesn't live here, as she'd just tell them they need to move. Or raise their house. Or put dirt down to raise the property level(which would then flood his house).
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    Uh, My property has a swampish bit on it too. The south end of it sits on a river, and when it rains that end of the yard is the lowest point, so when the river rises, my property gets it first.

    Luckily for them, I live here. His wife is a brain AND breast cancer survivor. He's had 4 heart attacks and a stroke in the last 5 years. They both work low-paying jobs, because well - that's what's around here. I work 60+ hours a week, and still find the time to cut their grass, and then I toss a couple of "Mosquito Dunks" into the swamp to control them(seeing as how our beloved govt can't seem to ever get the mosquito control truck out to my hood).
    Thats nice. My husband had a stroke 3 years and it left him in chronic pain. As a result, I get to do everything around here. I cook I clean I cut the grass, I clean the gutters, I change the oil in the car, I feed the critters.....and I'm looking for a job.

    Note that I managed to indeed keep the gutters clear and the lawn cut.

    ]I'm sure they can afford a $500 fine, or maybe a week delay or so in pay since you can't work from jail, all because people like angela don't like how it looks. And that is your actual issue here, and you know it.
    I know exactly what it looks like, but I still manage to carry my end and more. How $#@!ing dare you imply that my life must be some cushy reality because I don't think that asking people to keep their grass cut is too much to ask.



    And as far as you questioning why others are here (because of Ron Paul)....I'm positive he would go offer to help his neighbors remedy the situation, and that he would NEVER call guys with guns to extract a ransom from them to appease himself and then sit back and go "nanner nanner nanner, I showed you!".

    I'll bet you've called "authorities" more than once in your life...
    You'd be wrong about that, too. Imagine that.
    Last edited by angelatc; 07-21-2014 at 03:34 PM.



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  32. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    How is a law dictating your grass length any different than a law dictating who you can hire or fire?
    Did the law exist when the business was started? I have no problems with local governments setting rules for employers, either. My beef is either with the federal government, or the fact that they shoudn't pass such laws.

    Which is different than saying they don't have the right to.

    The anti-GMO legislation in Oregon comes to mind. The localities have the right to dictate that the farmers only grow approved crops, but that certainly doesn't meant they shoudl.
    Last edited by angelatc; 07-21-2014 at 03:36 PM.

  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Warrior_of_Freedom View Post
    There is nowhere else, unless you live in the middle of a f***ing forest and even then you might get kicked out for being on "government" property
    There are lots of places that don't have laws about how long your grass can be, [mod edit]

  34. #59
    Thats nice. My husband had a stroke 3 years and it left him in chronic pain. As a result, I get to do everything around here. I cook I clean I cut the grass, I clean the gutters, I change the oil in the car, I feed the critters.....and I'm looking for a job.

    Note that I managed to indeed keep the gutters clear and the lawn cut.
    The couple I mentioned BOTH have these health issues, there sparky. Neither one can do any of these things, something I made clear in the post you quoted. I didn't ask, nor do I give two $#@!s, about what you do around your house. Like any of that $#@! is hard to do, lol.

    eta: Something tells me you probably blame your husband in some way for all the work you have to do now....
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  35. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Did the law exist when the business was started? I have no problems with local governments setting rules for employers, either. My beef is either with the federal government, or the fact that they shoudn't pass such laws.

    Which is different than saying they don't have the right to.
    So if a local or state government wanted to pass a law prohibiting employers from random urine testing of employees, that would be OK?

    I'm not sure I want anybody passing laws like that at any level, and would much rather have people come to a voluntary consensus, but sometimes I guess it is the only thing that works.

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