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    Malaysia Airlines passenger jet reportedly shot down in Ukraine

    Damn those Ruskies.

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/07...es-in-ukraine/

    But seriously. I will be in the future paying attention to countries I'm flying over.

    All we know so far is it was likely shot down. But I'm guessing it will take no more than 24 hours before the MSM blames Russia. Maybe for being ticked about the sanctions.
    Last edited by wizardwatson; 07-17-2014 at 10:08 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wizardwatson View Post
    Damn those Ruskies.

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/07...es-in-ukraine/

    But seriously. I will be in the future paying attention to countries I'm flying over.

    All we know so far is it was likely shot down. But I'm guessing it will take no more than 24 hours before the MSM blames Russia. Maybe for being ticked about the sanctions.
    Will you come back and tell us what it's like? j/k (commas can make a difference)
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    Seriously, though.

    Pretense for war? I hope not. Still, it's sad that people lost their lives, leaving behind loved ones, because of this!
    "When a portion of wealth is transferred from the person who owns it—without his consent and without compensation, and whether by force or by fraud—to anyone who does not own it, then I say that property is violated; that an act of plunder is committed." - Bastiat : The Law

    "nothing evil grows in alcohol" ~ @presence

    "I mean can you imagine what it would be like if firemen acted like police officers? They would only go into a burning house only if there's a 100% chance they won't get any burns. I mean, you've got to fully protect thy self first." ~ juleswin

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClydeCoulter View Post
    Seriously, though.

    Pretense for war? I hope not. Still, it's sad that people lost their lives, leaving behind loved ones, because of this!
    There is already war there. The difference here is that so far all the civilian casualties have been on the rebel side at the hands of US puppet Ukraine. Now we have the Ruskie rebels killing 300 all in one shot.

    That is a huge development.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClydeCoulter View Post
    Seriously, though.

    Pretense for war? I hope not. Still, it's sad that people lost their lives, leaving behind loved ones, because of this!
    CNN is saying now that TWO Malaysian Airlines flights are down.
    Be careful when you pry my gun from my cold dead hands, the barrel will be hot.

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    This has false flag written all over it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chudrockz View Post
    CNN is saying now that TWO Malaysian Airlines flights are down.
    Maybe they are talking about the one Malaysia lost in the ocean months back?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wizardwatson View Post
    Maybe they are talking about the one Malaysia lost in the ocean months back?
    Correct. I just listened to the audio again. Thanks.
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    I don't think I like either side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    I don't think I like either side.
    Me neither, but as "our" government likes one side, this has the potential to be huge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chudrockz View Post
    Me neither, but as "our" government likes one side, this has the potential to be huge.
    Well, usa JUST YESTERDAY imposed unilateral sanctions on Russia for "not doing enough to deescalate tensions". Now we have this huge ordeal of -as the pro Ukraine twittersphere calls them- these "apes with guns" being out of control. Now the US can say the blame is directly on Russia. US will twist this against Russia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaseyJones View Post
    title edited
    Come on Casey, "Evil Putin shoots down Malaysian passenger jet says Nazi Ukraine" was just my attempt to get ahead of the MSM narrative on one side, and Russia Todays labeling of Ukraine as Nazi controlled from the other.

    Just trying to be ahead of the curve.

    When a trumpet sounds in a city, do not the people tremble?
    When disaster comes to a city, has not the Lord caused it? Amos 3:6

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizardwatson View Post
    Come on Casey, "Evil Putin shoots down Malaysian passenger jet says Nazi Ukraine" was just my attempt to get ahead of the MSM narrative on one side, and Russia Todays labeling of Ukraine as Nazi controlled from the other.

    Just trying to be ahead of the curve.

    For the record, Putin is KGB, so he's really a Stalinist.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
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    IF someone was going to go to war, would they:

    A: Shoot down a passenger plane
    B: Blitz the opponent

    ?
    "When a portion of wealth is transferred from the person who owns it—without his consent and without compensation, and whether by force or by fraud—to anyone who does not own it, then I say that property is violated; that an act of plunder is committed." - Bastiat : The Law

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  20. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by IPSecure View Post
    How do they know this?
    That would be the sixty-four thousand dollar question.

    Quote Originally Posted by wizardwatson View Post
    This has false flag written all over it.
    Yeah, when they begin stating 'facts' they couldn't possibly know yet, that's the first conclusion any rational person should jump to. Especially if all the headlines are suspiciously unanimous.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 07-17-2014 at 10:41 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Lol, wow, Anthony Weiner, too?

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  22. #19
    why would they fly over a warzone in the first place
    A savage barbaric tribal society where thugs parade the streets and illegally assault and murder innocent civilians, yeah that is the alternative to having police. Oh wait, that is the police

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    Maybe I am just jaded but this stinks to high heaven.
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  24. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by ClydeCoulter View Post
    IF someone was going to go to war, would they:

    A: Shoot down a passenger plane
    B: Blitz the opponent

    ?
    I think the grand design is to accelerate US economic collapse. These sanctions on Russia for instance hurt us, they don't help us. Stocks dropped on sanction news and now further on this airline shoot down news. So what appears to be isolating Russia/Syria/Iran is really isolating USA. They've already got this BRICS bank stuff going. It was reported long back that the big money powers are regrouping in Asia. Escalating Russia tensions I think is simply part of the end game so cripple US. My opinion anyway. And Obama seems to be doing everything he can with the border, and everything else to keep poking holes in the Titanic.
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    When disaster comes to a city, has not the Lord caused it? Amos 3:6

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    Those of us awaiting the reappearance of the Flight MH370 have not been disappointed.

  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by wizardwatson View Post
    All we know so far is it was likely shot down. But I'm guessing it will take no more than 24 hours before the MSM blames Russia. Maybe for being ticked about the sanctions.
    It is being blamed on the Russians in just about every MSM headline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdmyprez_deo_vindice View Post
    Maybe I am just jaded but this stinks to high heaven.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warrior_of_Freedom View Post
    why would they fly over a warzone in the first place
    Good question. A military jet was shot down there yesterday.
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  30. #26
    some context:
    http://www.thedailystar.net/ukraine-...down-jet-33748

    Andriy Lysenko, spokesman for the Ukrainian National Security and Defence Council, said an Su-25 ground attack plane was downed on Wednesday evening.

    []

    The rebels say they shot down two Su-25 jets on Wednesday.

    []

    Ukrainian officials also accused Russia of downing a transport plane earlier.
    The An-26 plane was shot down by a missile over eastern Ukraine on Monday, with the loss or reported capture of its crew members.
    Ukrainian officials sought to argue that pro-Russian separatist rebels could not have downed the plane because they lacked missiles to hit it at high altitude.

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    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

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  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Good question. A military jet was shot down there yesterday.
    Maybe there's a connection with the missing Malaysian flight earlier this year. They don't know where they're going.
    A savage barbaric tribal society where thugs parade the streets and illegally assault and murder innocent civilians, yeah that is the alternative to having police. Oh wait, that is the police

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    - Edward R. Murrow

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  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by jdmyprez_deo_vindice View Post
    Maybe I am just jaded but this stinks to high heaven.
    Maybe you are jaded. But this stinks to high heaven in any case.

    Ukrainian officials sought to argue that pro-Russian separatist rebels could not have downed the plane because they lacked missiles to hit it at high altitude.
    Are they trying to implicate the Russian Army? Because they're doing a better job of implicating themselves.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 07-17-2014 at 10:46 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Lol, wow, Anthony Weiner, too?

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    It is being blamed on the Russians in just about every MSM headline.
    They did shoot down Larry McDonald in the 80's... Or captured the flight, still a lot of speculation about the disappearance of America's most Conservative Congressman.
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  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Warrior_of_Freedom View Post
    why would they fly over a warzone in the first place

    That was my first thought. WTF is a civilian passenger jet doing in a warzone?

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