Tell me about North Carolina.

[fisharmor]

Astute readers will remember that my wife and I have some legal troubles in Prince William County, VA, where we currently live. I previously considered our legal problems ridiculous, but the law here apparently also finds it acceptable to create kiddie porn in order to prosecute kids making kiddie porn... so I'm not putting anything past these jackasses at this point.

Our lawyer tells us that PWC is by all accounts legally backward compared to the rest of the DC area, and he's basing that on 30+ years of experience.
I can't afford to move elsewhere in the area.

I have acquaintances in the Durham/ Burlington area of NC, and good friends in Roanoke who would be equidistant were we to move there.
And I gotta tell you, the thought of being able to sell my piece of $#@! 1300sf 1950 concrete block cape cod and buying a 2500sf+ antebellum farmhouse with 10+ acres is pretty damned attractive.

I already know NC is a gold star open carry state, that it's shall issue, and that my VA CHP is recognized.
I already know that the cost of living in general is lower.
I know a friend of mine has bees within Burlington city limits... something I wouldn't even attempt here... and that he got county extension funding to help him do it.

I also know that in a recent case where Durham cops were outed as faking 911 calls, the chief actually sent out a memo telling his officers to cut the crap. That's pretty positive, considering.

I would be taking my job with me (and not coming unless I could do so).

So tell me more about the place.

[William Tell]

Paging Gunny.....

[Dianne]

State income tax is high. Most of the Superior Court and Federal judges I've witnessed in action are very corrupt; especially in the smaller cities. The State and most public officials are owned by the Banksters. In-fact, Bank of American controls the entire state.

I'm looking to get out of N.C. so you can take my place lol.

[fisharmor]

State income tax is high. Most of the Superior Court and Federal judges I've witnessed in action are very corrupt; especially in the smaller cities. The State and most public officials are owned by the Banksters. In-fact, Bank of American controls the entire state.

I'm looking to get out of N.C. so you can take my place lol.

That's interesting. A bunch of articles I'm reading about a recent study on corruption in states list Virginia much higher than NC, and actually have NC in the second least corrupt category.
http://mic.com/articles/90963/the-10...tes-in-america
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...es-in-america/

[GunnyFreedom]

way less abusive cops than the national average, but it's starting to pick up.

a most infuriatingly corrupted GOP leadership, but far more liberty inroads in the Party Org than outward appearances would have you see.

a recalcitrant GOP voting base who will (truthfully) agree with everything you say, and then still vote for idiots.

an infuriatingly apathetic 'liberty in the GOP' movement that makes up 30-40% of the conventions every single year, but suffers 50% attrition every single year. Do the math, that means with a little less apathy we could have taken over outright during 3 of the last 4 election years with almost no effort.

a significant amount of real potential, as Liberty has maintained tight alliances with TEA and PALEO from 2007 to today; and a lot of TEA has been awakened to the reality of astro-tea from the Brannon election cycle.

a recalcitrant so-con wing who thinks they do God a favor while crucifying Him; admit that they have losing policies, and will die before they loosen their grips. (much of this having to do with a powerful socon lobby who is also more Pharisee than Christlike.)

A GOP leadership that fights spit and vinegar at gambling one year and then holds their convention in a casino the next.

Some of the greatest diversity of natural beauty in one State in the entire United States, and in many ways the most epic repository of natural beauty East of the Mississippi.

A very...complicated...history in the Revolution, the Civil War, and in the ideas, victories and losses that surround them. It was an NC delegate who developed the 10th Amendment. And NC is the last to cite the 10th in legislation. Behind Illinois and Hawaii. Seriously. Also, NC was the first to officially declare sovereignty from the crown, and the last to stand against federal tyranny at the level of State Government. There is a huge reservoir to tap into but the GOP Leadership in the Assembly are doing everything in their power to prevent it.

Basically, on the political front an insane amount of potential, with some pretty intensely formidable challenges. On the nature/environmental front almost a no-brainer. On the social front there is a broad but trusted net of R3volutionaries. You can get pretty durn rural and still have reliable 24/7 access to food and goods. Depending on county and region.

Things differ pretty sharply by County in some cases. One of my strongest 10th Amendment guys is in Burlington. There is a town south of Burlington called "Liberty" and I would love to make the logistics work for a Statewide liberty convention in that rather rural location....

[GunnyFreedom]

That's interesting. A bunch of articles I'm reading about a recent study on corruption in states list Virginia much higher than NC, and actually have NC in the second least corrupt category.
http://mic.com/articles/90963/the-10...tes-in-america
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...es-in-america/

Most of the corruption in NC is focused around Dem leadership like Governors. GOP was out of power 140 years and haven't had enough time as the godfather to build up that much corruption infrastructure, but they are trying lol. One blessing is that times and tides have restrained their hand some of late. I suspect if our US Senate nominee goes on to win the General, much of the GOP leadership corruption will become more overt.

[CPUd]

In NC, there is 1 week out of the year when you can do whatever you want with a possum:

[asurfaholic]

I love NC geographically its a mild warm climate with fair winter weather and its not unusual to have 70 degree days in December. Good beaches and the northern part of the state you can get to the places in the outer banks with ease. If you like fishing there are world class surf fishing opportunities here, and you may find that purchasing a boat is a wonderful investment. I did and now I can go trolling for blues and Spanish, bottom fish, or go pull up to the numerous beautiful sandbar beaches accessible with almost any size boat. Last weekend i took my family to shacklford, which is right south of cape lookout. The island is home to wild horses, and we were greeted by a large family of them.

The economy is generally good here, new bern was listed as one of the best places to live due to economic growth. This is due to the several major ports in the area, as well as the MIC is pretty entrenched in NC with multiple military bases here. Large corporations are found scattered around.

As gunny pointed out, police are less abusive here than in other states, and people are friendly when you are away from the big cities.

Liberty ideas are slow to catch on here, but I think its coming around. Hope you decide to come, good luck in your decision making.

[fisharmor]

If you like fishing there are world class surf fishing opportunities here, and you may find that purchasing a boat is a wonderful investment.

I like eating fish much more than catching them. I like what my dad always said about boats: they're a hole in the water you pour money into.
Though if I had acreage and a proper shop, I'd probably build one.

the MIC is pretty entrenched in NC with multiple military bases here.

Yeah, that's unfortunately another item where even as bad as that might be, it cannot possibly be worse than where I am now.

Hope you decide to come, good luck in your decision making.

Thanks, I do appreciate the info. I do like the idea of moving away from the war machine and potentially actually having a voice.

[asurfaholic]

I like eating fish much more than catching them. I like what my dad always said about boats: they're a hole in the water you pour money into.
Though if I had acreage and a proper shop, I'd probably build one.

Meh that's just an old saying that comes from people who don't know anything about boating and plunge in and end up with a headache. Good research and a little bit of patience and alot of humility (you don't need a bigger boat than everyone else) you can end up with a great platform of fun and relaxation.

But this is getting off topic.... This isn't a thread about boating.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Usually ranks in the middle of George Mason's Freedom in the 50 States survey. The place is just typically conservative for its geography, at least in my opinion.

[oyarde]

Watauga County looks pretty nice .

[thoughtomator]

I'm in upstate South Carolina not too far (~50 mi) from the NC border and I would suggest considering the Greenville area. I also escaped from Northern VA (Fairfax Co.) so I know exactly what you're fleeing there. While I'm sure there are problems here as well, I'm not seeing any of the deeply disturbing $#@! that I experienced in VA, and previously in the NY area.

The economic, cultural, and environmental factors here are near-ideal, especially given other options inside the USA. One of the healthiest economic areas in the whole US right now, very conservative but with enough hip and modern that you don't feel like you're in the Dark Ages, a beautiful natural environment with no natural disasters at all - no hurricanes, no earthquakes, no droughts, no floods, no nothing.

[Keith and stuff]

There is a small groups of people moving to the most statist part of NC - Asheville. They are voluntarist atheists that believe in something called peaceful parenting. That means things like cuddling naked with your baby, having babies be born at home but without a midwife or any medical professionals present, breast feeding in public and similar stuff that you see from hippies in Vermont and Rainbow people. They are about being good neighbors and non-violent. I don't know how many of these anarchist type folks are currently living there, maybe two dozen or so. A couple of them moved to NH as part of the Free State Project. Actually, a few did. At least two moved back to Asheville because they thought it was a better place for their peaceful parenting practices.

I found NC to be pretty. The hurricanes can be pretty destructive. For example, I wanted to tour Great Smoky Mountains National Park one year. It's a park in TN and NC. However, excessive flooding and other problems closed much of it so I toured the Blue Ridge Mountains in VA instead.

Another thing you might want to know about NC is that it is perhaps the #1 destination for halfbacks. These are people that retire and leave the Northeast. They typically move to FL. But they find it too hot, dangerous, buggy, far away from their family and friends and so on. They move back, often to NC but also to places like SC and VA.

[thoughtomator]

Yeah this region is good because it is totally hostile to left-wing social engineering, so you can live a decent, normal life without being shamed, condemned, fined, and/or jailed for it.

[Christian Liberty]

I'm moving to Virginia in a month...

[fisharmor]

I'm moving to Virginia in a month...

A year ago I would have applauded this.
Now that I know how rotten the legal system is here, and that the best candidate liberty lovers can field is a prosecutor who made his career out of trying to put people in prison for getting blowjobs, I think the whole place can rot.

[Southron]

I know the economy may be better in other parts of NC but where I live manufacturing has been decimated.

[thoughtomator]

I'm moving to Virginia in a month...

Think New Jersey, but south of New Jersey. That's what you are getting into in today's Virginia.

[fisharmor]

Think New Jersey, but south of New Jersey. That's what you are getting into in today's Virginia.

Well, hang on a sec. People open carry here all the time. I don't regularly hear people shouting at each other at gas stations in Virginia. There's no such thing as a duck face here, property taxes aren't intolerable, you don't have ex convicts pumping your gas here, and nobody I know in Virginia even watches Jersey Shore.

It's bad here, but keep some perspective.

[willwash]

UNC grad here. Can tell you with certainty that NC conservatives are some of the most pinheaded hawkish neocons you will ever meet. However, like Gunny said, it usually takes only a very short conversation with them to wake them up. Lots of potential.

[Christian Liberty]

A year ago I would have applauded this.
Now that I know how rotten the legal system is here, and that the best candidate liberty lovers can field is a prosecutor who made his career out of trying to put people in prison for getting blowjobs, I think the whole place can rot.

I wasn't a huge fan of Cuccinelli either. I'm moving for college. Though, I'm pretty sure Virginia is going to be better than NYS

Well, hang on a sec. People open carry here all the time. I don't regularly hear people shouting at each other at gas stations in Virginia. There's no such thing as a duck face here, property taxes aren't intolerable, you don't have ex convicts pumping your gas here, and nobody I know in Virginia even watches Jersey Shore.

It's bad here, but keep some perspective.

lol.

[jbauer]

Yeah this region is good because it is totally hostile to left-wing social engineering, so you can live a decent, normal life without being shamed, condemned, fined, and/or jailed for it.

Yet

[Tywysog Cymru]

I'm moving from KY to South Carolina, I'm going from being represented by Rand Paul and Thomas Massie to... Lindsey Graham.

[Christian Liberty]

I'm moving from KY to South Carolina, I'm going from being represented by Rand Paul and Thomas Massie to... Lindsey Graham.

Wow... that sucks. I don't honestly know who Va's reps are, but I'm guessing pretty much any pair of senators could beat Schuemer and Gillbrand.

[thoughtomator]

Yet

there's no one here willing to get shot at to enforce that crap, so they'll have to import goons from somewhere else if they want to try it

[GunnyFreedom]

I'm moving from KY to South Carolina, I'm going from being represented by Rand Paul and Thomas Massie to... Lindsey Graham.

You are the liberty seed. You will be Graham's undoing.

[Christian Liberty]

You are the liberty seed. You will be Graham's undoing.

I have to get some credit here, I basically turned him into a libertarian

[Carlybee]

There is a small groups of people moving to the most statist part of NC - Asheville. They are voluntarist atheists that believe in something called peaceful parenting. That means things like cuddling naked with your baby, having babies be born at home but without a midwife or any medical professionals present, breast feeding in public and similar stuff that you see from hippies in Vermont and Rainbow people. They are about being good neighbors and non-violent. I don't know how many of these anarchist type folks are currently living there, maybe two dozen or so. A couple of them moved to NH as part of the Free State Project. Actually, a few did. At least two moved back to Asheville because they thought it was a better place for their peaceful parenting practices.

I found NC to be pretty. The hurricanes can be pretty destructive. For example, I wanted to tour Great Smoky Mountains National Park one year. It's a park in TN and NC. However, excessive flooding and other problems closed much of it so I toured the Blue Ridge Mountains in VA instead.

Another thing you might want to know about NC is that it is perhaps the #1 destination for halfbacks. These are people that retire and leave the Northeast. They typically move to FL. But they find it too hot, dangerous, buggy, far away from their family and friends and so on. They move back, often to NC but also to places like SC and VA.

I know some people who are moving to Asheville because they are poets and its supposedly an artist colony. My Dad's family are all from the Sylva/Franklin area. My great grandparents and a bunch of my ancestors are buried around Cullowhee. I actually love that area but I've only been there as a tourist. Sad that some of that independent spirit that fueled some of my ancestors to defend NC in the Revolution seems to have flown the coop.

[Southron]

Sad that some of that independent spirit that fueled some of my ancestors to defend NC in the Revolution seems to have flown the coop.

Losing the War and Reconstruction took its toll.