Originally Posted by pcosmar
I sure hope this choice doesn't involve any quantum mechanics.
It's an enormously complex issue, and that's about as simple as it gets, comrade. Fortunately, it is simple enough that even a mentally retarded person could become a clergyman if he is able to function well enough to perform his required duties. Certainly can't say that of many Reformed and more modern denominations who study large tomes to learn dizzying and fancy-sounding feats of logic (and contortions of it).
ETA: Here are a few books for you to continue your studies:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Orthodox-C...tag=answe03-20
http://www.amazon.com/Church-History...church+history
Traditionally, way, way way, too much Roman Empire associated garbage and baggage, and not nearly enough teachings of Jesus emphasis. Does that help?
Do those mentally retarded clergy duties include choir boy rape and unwed teen mother enslavement and abuse? Some clergy folks and their superiors aparently just aren't afraid enough of hell. Or perchance they know something that we don't, that they just don't talk much about.
Here's one for you. http://www.katinkahesselink.net/othe...tts-bible.html Mine is probably much shorter ......... and simpler.
Thanks for the proposed additions to my reading list. I'm pretty well already booked up for the forseeable future.
"Complexity is the essence of the con and the hustle."
Last edited by Ronin Truth; 07-28-2014 at 03:33 PM.
There's Biblical Christianity, and then there's the Americanized state-worshipping zionist "Christianity."
You rightly judge the latter but it has nothing to do with the former.
Does simply ignoring Christian church history from 450 AD to 1900 make it easier to accept and excuse?
Who says I'm excusing it? I think the whore of Babylon controlled most of the visible church from Constantine until Luther. And, I agree with Samuel Adams that the early Reformers foolishly replaced the Pope with the Civil Magistrate in many respects. I believe the Bible teaches self-government according to Biblical principles, and that the Roman Empire (and all other States) are evil.
Hey, atheism has a violent history to. Tell you what, you can pin me with the Geneva Council's murder of Servetus and the 19 people that were killed in the Salem Witch Trials once you take responsibility for the 50 million that the atheist dictators Stalin and Mao killed. OK?
Did you see me advocating or defending atheism?
Since Satan controls the human governments of the entire world let's just blame the Stalin and Mao 50 million victims on Satan.
Perhaps that is why you chose to link me to a complex diatribe that demonstrates terribly poor understanding of religion generally and the Christian Church especially (as well as remarkably poor essay craft more like that of a maleducated college freshman than a mature, thoughtful person)?Do those mentally retarded clergy duties include choir boy rape and unwed teen mother enslavement and abuse? Some clergy folks and their superiors aparently just aren't afraid enough of hell. Or perchance they know something that we don't, that they just don't talk much about.
Here's one for you. http://www.katinkahesselink.net/othe...tts-bible.html Mine is probably much shorter ......... and simpler.
Thanks for the proposed additions to my reading list. I'm pretty well already booked up for the forseeable future.
"Complexity is the essence of the con and the hustle."
Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!
~Leonardo da Vinci
Simple. God chooses YOU not YOU who chooses He. Some vessels are created for destruction and many are created for righteousness. A few will have a day of salvation during a time appointed. Really I could care less why you don't believe in a Creator. Behind me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_WattsPerhaps that is why you chose to link me to a complex diatribe that demonstrates terribly poor understanding of religion generally and the Christian Church especially (as well as remarkably poor essay craft more like that of a maleducated college freshman than a mature, thoughtful person)?
Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!
~Leonardo da Vinci
Alan Watts, who died in 1974, held both a master's degree in theology and a doctorate of divinity, and was best known as an interpreter of Zen Buddhism in particular, and of Indian and Chinese philosophy in general. He was the author of many books on the philosophy and psychology of religion, which includeThe Way of Zen, The Supreme Identity, The Joyous Cosmology,Beyond Theology, Nature, Man and Woman*, Cloud-Hidden, Whereabouts Unknown* and In My Own Way: An Autobiography.
Last edited by Ronin Truth; 07-28-2014 at 11:29 PM.
But aren't we all God's beloved children? I guess that I just must be confused.
All those degrees and book-leranin-and he still writes so badly?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Watts
http://www.leary.ru/download/watts/B...0You%20Are.pdf
You really do need to get out more.You really do need to read better writers.
Ah, he's just reciting some variation of Calvinist doctrine. It's full of contradictions and oddities, so don't let its confusing nature bother you too much.But aren't we all God's beloved children? I guess that I just must be confused.
I do, but I also really like Alan, about ten of his books worth.All those degrees and book-leranin-and he still writes so badly?
To quote a associated +rep message from last night after your over top Watt's over-reaction, "When all else fails .... ad hominem."
If your reaction to the Watts' article is an accurate reflection of your reading comprehension, then it brings into serious question your reading comprehension of other materials.
It also reminds me of "when you get caught with your hand in the cookie jar, double down (bluff)" . LOL!
Are you planning to respond to our last exchange on thread page #5?
Thanks!
Later.
I guess the mods are manifesting thread fatigue. How about YOU just let it run its' natural course WITHOUT YOUR UNWELCOME MEDDLING?
Would you mind if I used this whenever you posted in a thread which I started?
+'These things I command you, that you love one another.' - Jesus Christ
Sure, the very next time that I'm a busy body moderator, just mucking around creating difficulties, you may feel free to use a copy of my post. I really don't think any of my posts on your threads have damaged, destroyed or prevented anyone one else from posting on them.
Do you happen to have any extraordinary evidence to the contrary?
I haven't the time nor the desire frankly to go looking when I already know you will come up with 15 vain excuses and 12 random quotes to poopoo it away. I'll just stick with copying and posting what you wrote above whenever I feel like your meddling is unwelcomed.
+'These things I command you, that you love one another.' - Jesus Christ
Then why even bother asking for permission?
Yeah, just as I thought, all blow and no go.
"Talk's cheap, Bucko. Put up or shut up.", thus sayeth the Lord.
Last edited by Ronin Truth; 07-29-2014 at 03:52 PM.
Bull$#@! and you know it. He just got sick of your trolling, as I did.Then why even bother asking for permission?
Yeah, just as I thought, all blow and no go.
"Talk's cheap, Bucko. Put up or shut up.", thus sayeth the Lord.
I agree, you are. Confusion can be what I call the state of learning. When one doesn't know something, find confusion, then from there find truth and order.
Do you kiss your Mama with that mouth?
If you guys don't like my threads then you can feel free to stay off of them. Your continual phony duck and dodge obfuscations and arrogant bogus holier than thou attitudes of misguided intellectual superiority will certainly not be missed.
A careful review of THIS thread will reveal who the real trolls are.
Last edited by Ronin Truth; 07-31-2014 at 07:47 AM.
"We're all ignorant, just about different things."
One doesn’t need to read much about a group’s beliefs and history to know how much or little regard for individual liberty it has.
No, but the absurdity of your argument is demonstrated by that. I'm not responsible for what any Christian decides to do except for me, and possibly in some sense the people who I personally come into contact with. I'm certainly not responsible for anything anyone decided to do before I was born.
You are using wicked men who used Christianity as an excuse for their evil actions in order to excuse your own unbelief. That's not going to fly with God.
Sure. Satan certainly controls the human governments of the world. But in order for such a statement to be true, Satan has to exist, doesn't he?
Since Satan controls the human governments of the entire world let's just blame the Stalin and Mao 50 million victims on Satan.
I'm sure you can't back up that 50 million number. Numbers like that are just repeated endlessly by people with certain biases and get bigger and bigger over time. The many millions that died in China did so because of a bad central planning calculation in the worlds most populated country, not deliberate killing. The Russian Christian Church had been a part of the Russian state for a thousand years and helped build it into a feudal empire. What the Bolsheviks did was ruthless, however many were killed, but being a major political player at the highest levels and taking sides in a civil war, isn't simply minding your own business practicing your religion.
Last edited by robert68; 08-01-2014 at 03:45 AM.
The October Revolution dissolved the State-Church ties. (In an extremely violent and murderous way, at that) Tying Soviet Communism and its attrocities to the Russian Church is incredibly ignorant and dishonest. The Soviets were militant atheists and did their best to crush religion. Even the non-Christian religions in the far East like Buddhism in Mongolia.
During the Czarist age, Nicholas I emancipated the serfs that had been held for generations. (yes, even before widespread enlightenment in the West)
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