The community pooling in money to ensure that everyone has access. That is exactly what fire and police services are examples of. So why is it so morally outrageous to extend this to healthcare?
Dude, why are you pro liberty on every other forum you visit except this one?
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So Bausch&Lomb has 158 posts. All but a small handful of those posts are in the 30+ threads he started here. His posts are all short. He has no interest in debating.
I'd guess his work is getting paid by forum owners to post on their forums (very common job). Probably uses Ron Paul Forums to pick up answers to questions/issues on other forums. Lazy, but shrewd.
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Come on, answer me, you little slippery weasel. I see you logged in here.
You better come clean now, or it will be worse when I bust you on www.uselectionatlas.org. Don't make me come over there! lol
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the interesting thing about this dude is that he totally avoids admitting that capitalism is not actually practiced today... the dude knows exactly what he is doing...
Donald Trump > SJW ass-tears
meanwhile, fire11 gets banned even though he is a million times more entertaining... life isn't fair sometimes...
Donald Trump > SJW ass-tears
Police services are a shining example of why it is morally outrageous to try to duplicate them with healthcare. Will someone please post the "thank you police" picture that is famous at RPF my favorite satire site.
“[T]he enshrinement of constitutional rights necessarily takes certain policy choices off the table.” (Heller, 554 U.S., at ___, 128 S.Ct., at 2822.)
How long before "going liberal" replaces "going postal"?
And while you're at it, get me a glass of milk.
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Police should not exist in a free society..
Police are Control. It is the meaning of the word.. An Authoritarian concept.
Police are not a service..
Many Fire Departments are volunteer.. That is how they started in the first place.
Volunteers serve the community..
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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Well, they are prime examples of socialism.
Once upon a time, these services were the ways communities competed with each other. Whichever community had the best services attracted more businesses and residents. But that was then, and now the federal government up in the District of Calamity is on a mission to make them all equally terrible. Much like the schools. Now there's no sense of community left in them. They just follow Washington's orders: 'Make the people miserable.'
There's your socialism for you.
+1
Disband the Stasi
Volunteer Fire Departments
2 more statist problems solved just like they were when this country was formed.
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'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988
Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation
'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3
Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.
...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...
No kidding...obviously Bouillabaisse is running some kind of scam, or trolling operation.
Fire11 is, well, Fire11...
What is the moral difference between your tax dollars going to welfare folks, and your tax dollars going to people who have a house on fire?
None, theft is theft.
Fire departments used to be run as private insurance policies.
If you didn't have a plaque like this on your building, you got no fire department.
Some people only complain about bloated police pensions and pay but the same problem exists with fire fighters. The problem with socialism is not just the police, its also with the fire fighters and the setup we have right now with fire fighting. I tend to believe people take better care of their property when they are the one paying for the fire service. Also I hate the fact that we don't receive a bill directly for fire service and thus cannot see how badly we are being screwed.
Don't get me wrong, I love our fire dept, they come in mins after you call them and they will go into just about any fire disaster to rescue person and property. I also think they should be financially rewarded for their work and not just volunteer pay. But at the same time, I would love to see how the free market can improve on it.
I had a chimney fire once. I put it out.
A neighbor set a can of ash near his shed and it ignited, my dog woke me to it. I put it out.
While at some friends house a candle set a wall on fire. I put it out.
My truck just caught on fire @ three weeks ago. I put it out.
In three of the instances above the firefighters showed up after the danger had passed and filled out paper work ( much like every interaction with cops). In the last I didn't even bother calling.
I must be some kinda gotdamned he-row. Give me a pension.
None. They both invite moral hazards when handled as public services and should instead be handled by local family, friends, and voluntary community organizations. 70% of all firefighters are volunteers in the US, it is a matter of duty, honour, and community service... it used to be that way about "welfare" too.
'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988
Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation
'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3
Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.
...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...
Excuse me but the house (gov) burnt to the ground (bankrupted) long before long before I got here. Who are you people ?
“[T]he enshrinement of constitutional rights necessarily takes certain policy choices off the table.” (Heller, 554 U.S., at ___, 128 S.Ct., at 2822.)
How long before "going liberal" replaces "going postal"?
File under:
"Fire Departments and Police Departments: precise examples of Socialism"
http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/j...on-brush-fire/SANTAQUIN, UT — A man was arrested for disorderly conduct and obstructing justice when he refused to stop spraying water on a brush fire that had ignited in a field behind his home.
The incident happened on July 4th in a field located behind a row of houses. At approximately 9:30 p.m., some brush caught fire due to errant use of fireworks. Spectators quickly assisted and one woman called 9-1-1 for help.
“An apparent spark lit a tree over there from an old orchard on fire,” said 36-year-old Santaquin resident, Jason Thornton. “Myself, my two nephews, and a few neighbors rushed to action, got our hoses out, contained the fire to one tree, waiting for the fire department to show up.”
Mr. Thornton continued: “While fighting the fire, somebody said, ‘stop!’ I told them, ‘no’ in a very unpolite way. He told me again to stop. I said, ‘No, I’m manning this fire. I’m not stopping until the fire department gets here.’”
“If I’m obstructing justice, protecting my home… that is crazy.”
“Then the man came over and put me in handcuffs and told me I was under arrest,” he said. “They gave me a citation for disorderly conduct and obstruction of justice.”
'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988
Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation
'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3
Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.
...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...
The key point that is morally outrageous is forcing other people to pay for someone elses healthcare, via taxation. Or could you please explain how forced taxation for something someone does not want, need or use, is morally acceptable?
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As a father of a firefighter and also as a father of a cop in training I couldn't agree more.
I am completely convinced that all this is dumbing down people and encouraging them to become more complacent. LESS SAFE.
The intentions of my young lads are certainly good, the system they have chosen to participate in is fail.
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My area is served by volunteer a fire department who raises all their own money with fundraisers. My FD is a precise example of the free market, and I guarantee you we have a lower rate of destructive fires than you do.
Off on a fire department rant... increasingly, volunteer fire departments are being regulated out of existence. The federal training demands have increased enormously making it difficult to recruit and retain. Now Obamacare is forcing volunteer fire departments to offer insurance to the volunteers which will certainly drive many under, making the way for big government solutions where once communities rallied in honor, duty, and friendship.
'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988
Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation
'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3
Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.
...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...
qft +rep
We will all get stuck with inadequate incompetent socialist fire departments thanks to the Tyrant In Chief.
Compliance compliance compliance.
ETA - That explains their increasingly hostile and belligerent attitude towards us Mundanes.
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And, of course, some 70% of Oklahoma's fire departments are volunteer. I guess if Obama can't successfully sic the IRS on the red states, he'll just make sure we all burn to a crisp...
The precise definition of socialism, indeed. More like the precise definition of Stalinism.
1) Volunteer departments still get federal funding
2) In a free market, what happens if your abode is on fire and you can't afford the market price for fire protection services?
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