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    Too long and too many graphics to copy-pasta, but worth a read.

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    Why Classic Rock Isn’t What It Used To Be

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...it-used-to-be/

    By Walt Hickey

    Led Zeppelin is classic rock. So are Mötley Crüe and Ozzy Osbourne. But what about U2 or Nirvana? As a child of the 1990s, I never doubted that any of these bands were classic rock, even though it may be shocking for many to hear. And then I heard Green Day’s “American Idiot” on a classic rock station a few weeks ago, and I was shocked.

    It was my first time hearing a band I grew up with referred to as “classic rock.” Almost anyone who listens to music over a long enough period of time probably experiences this moment — my colleagues related some of their own, like hearing R.E.M. or Guns N’ Roses on a classic rock station — but it made me wonder, what precisely is classic rock? As it turns out, a massive amount of data collection and analysis, and some algorithms, go into figuring out the answer to that very question.
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    i thnk guns and roses is classic for sure, but started after the "classic" area was over. i consider classic as the 70s rock mostly. a version of "catcher in the rye" by gnr in 2009 sounds very classic. to bad brian may of queen was deleted from the solos. mays version of the song is pure classic. this could be a classic NOW if radio would play it. solo starts around 2:15.see what u think....
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    Wellman said release years have nothing to do with what makes a song “classic rock”; the ability of the genre to grow based on consumers’ tastes is one of the things that’s given it such longevity.
    SMFH. A good example of why corporate music and entertainment are fail. In all arts, eras are pretty well defined. i.e.-baroque is generally considered a style that endured in Europe in a significant way from 1600 to 1750 (some historians disagree, but not significantly,AFAIK). "Classic Rock" is probably best dated from c. 1960-1980, but there are a few classic rock tunes earlier and later. /ramble
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    Classic rock died when they ran out of musical ideas that could be stolen from Frank Zappa.

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    What can be considered classic rock is still being made today. It has become a genre.

    I would debate even having Metallica included in the Classic Rock genre. Metal, Heavy Metal, Thrash Metal or Speed Metal would be better. (Well, it may depend upon which album the songs come from. AFAIC, they didn't release anything between AJFA and DM...)

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    When I hear Public Enemy on an "adult contemporary" station, I'll know it's time to break out the Metamucil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by satchelmcqueen View Post
    i thnk guns and roses is classic for sure, but started after the "classic" area was over. i consider classic as the 70s rock mostly. a version of "catcher in the rye" by gnr in 2009 sounds very classic. to bad brian may of queen was deleted from the solos. mays version of the song is pure classic. this could be a classic NOW if radio would play it. solo starts around 2:15.see what u think....
    That isn't the gunners, that's axl and some other dudes, it's a damn shame he uses the GNR name.

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    I used to muse at how great the divide is between what is "Critically acclaimed" and what is "popular". In the 60's there was still a chance something as revolutionary as "Good Vibrations" would catch on in the main stream. The Beatles ruled both innovation and what was popular. Over the years it's waned. Of course someone like Bruce Springsteen could still light up popular charts in the 80's. But today your lucky if someone truly talented cracks any pop/rock music station's charts. I think that's the biggest issue with music today is most of the good stuff is not well received by the masses.

    I remember when I was a teen that "classic" stations were geared toward 60's rock (Time of the Season....In the 2525.... etc) Today you rarely hear that stuff. Most "classic" stations are geared to the 70's and 80's rock when I grew up.

    Who knows. Once us geezers die off, the kids today will be calling what they listened to "Classic" and some classic station will be playing Coldplay.
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    I don't what semantics should be used, but I would agree that the term classic rock outside a vague description for a radio station, shouldn't ever mean in everyday conversation, "any rock music, over X years old."

    Green Day isn't Led Zeppelin. Led Zeppelin isn't Nirvana. None of them are Black Sabbath, either. There is too much clear difference between the genres to have them all be considered classic rock rolled all into one, without the term being tiresome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    I have a hard time thinking of classic rock as anything other than 60s and 70s rock.




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    We have a local station here that plays some new stuff that has a classic rock feel to it.

    http://kfog.tunegenie.com/


    Then that being said the whole, "classic" thing sort of seems a little false to me.

    A long time ago I saw a story in the paper the a soda company wanted to change to corn syrup like the other soda companies were using to save money. The story was that the trademark or patent office or whatever wouldn't let them because that was a change in the recipe. If they wanted to change the formula they would have to change the name.

    Several months went by and all of a sudden a soda company was changing the soda and calling it a, "new" soda. It pretty much tasted flat and watered down to me. Now in retrospect I think they did it on purpose. Anyway they stuck with the, "New" about long enough that every bottle of the old real cans were gone. We sort of drank up and lost our reference point. Then they seemed to pretend to knuckle under the complaints and said they were bringing back the "Classic" soda.

    Anyway note the name changes? The only bottles you will see today with the original name were coming from places like Mexico. I'm assuming with the original formula.

    And then on top of the insult, the word, "Classic" took off. Everything was classic this or classic that. And I'm thinking all this time there was nothing classic about Classic.

    But then I digress...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post




    Classic
    IN A GADDA DA VITA

    Great played loud.

    There should be groups that get together at churches around the country, just to Batiste/baptise the organs properly with the song. Well that and the music LIVE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post




    Classic
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carson View Post
    IN A GADDA DA VITA

    Great played loud.

    There should be groups that get together at churches around the country, just to Batiste/baptise the organs properly with the song. Well that and the music LIVE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kathy88 View Post
    I'm going to see Frampton and the Doobie Brothers tomorrow night!
    I was invited back stage by the Doobie Brothers once...well through a friend. It was at a concert in San Diego. I tried to warn them about a little something. It turned out all right though. I suppose you could say it rained indoors for a little bit there.

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    Far Freaking OUT!

    Gave me goosebumps when it started. And it's always a hundred fold better live.


    P.S. Wow. We have an organ hid away like that in Balboa Park in San Diego.

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    I think what they used to call classic rock is now called oldies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    What can be considered classic rock is still being made today. It has become a genre.

    I would debate even having Metallica included in the Classic Rock genre. Metal, Heavy Metal, Thrash Metal or Speed Metal would be better. (Well, it may depend upon which album the songs come from. AFAIC, they didn't release anything between AJFA and DM...)

    Classic rock, made in 2013:



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    classic rock, the genuine article.

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    Does this mean I may eventually hear a GWAR song on a classic rock station????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bman View Post
    Does this mean I may eventually hear a GWAR song on a classic rock station????


    They'd have to make some music first.



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    So many years,, so many bands..



    but in my mind,,, "classic" Rock would start with Chuck Berry.. and that alone could be a whole thread.
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    Part of the issue here is just what the article mentioned, trying to pigeonhole a format based on computer profiles and algorithms.

    Here's a couple of radio stations that have a full time on air staff, picking what they like and what people like, mixing it all together to provide a wide range of rock.

    Jersey Shore:
    http://www.wrat.com/index_full.aspx

    Stephen King's radio station:
    http://www.wkitfm.com/

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    "Classic Rock" is timeless..


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    I'd say classic is quality that stands the test of time. You can measure each one, but it seems that time spans are getting so much shorter. The word trending is now used to describe a pop star that has been in the news for two days.

    The number of people who sing in an outstanding way is really very small to me. That's the way it is with a lot of things, so no big deal there. The baseball hall of fame is often the exception because it recognizes very few.

    Anyway, I'd say this is classic:






    Oh wait, that's not rock. Here's some good rocker vocals:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Stephen King's radio station:
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    I listen to that one.

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