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    Include me or arrest me! Fl Gov Candidate on forum (debate). He is Presidential material

    http://www.wfla.com/story/25959909/c...matum-on-forum

    A candidate for Florida governor is issuing an ultimatum: Include me or arrest me.

    Adrian Wyllie, a Libertarian Party candidate, wants to take part in a gubernatorial candidate forum held by the Florida Press Association this week in Coral Gables.

    “It’s basically that I am going to attend the event and they can either make another place at the table or they can have me arrested, and those are their only two options,” Wyllie told News Channel 8.

    Related link: Open letter from Adrian Wyllie

    The head of the Florida Press Association said the group set out specific criteria for the forum, which takes place at its convention on Friday. The criteria include getting 12 percent support in a poll designated by FPA (taking a 4 percent margin of error into consideration) and raising $250,000 by May 1.

    Democrats Charlie Crist and Nan Rich are confirmed for the forum, said FPA President and CEO Dean Ridings. Gov. Rick Scott is not scheduled to attend.

    Wyllie said he plans to attend the event with others.

    “We’re going to get into the building and we’re going to get into the room,” he said.

    Ridings said they are discussing the idea of extra security.


    http://politics.heraldtribune.com/20...next-governor/
    “[T]he enshrinement of constitutional rights necessarily takes certain policy choices off the table.” (Heller, 554 U.S., at ___, 128 S.Ct., at 2822.)

    How long before "going liberal" replaces "going postal"?



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    Lets give this man a listing under defenders of liberty and push him for president. Come on Mods Its for the Children.

    http://politics.heraldtribune.com/20...next-governor/

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    Last edited by mrsat_98; 07-10-2014 at 01:50 AM.
    “[T]he enshrinement of constitutional rights necessarily takes certain policy choices off the table.” (Heller, 554 U.S., at ___, 128 S.Ct., at 2822.)

    How long before "going liberal" replaces "going postal"?

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    Why do people do this sort of nonsense and think it will help?
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    Libertarian thinks he can make the rules at someone's private party?

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    Quote Originally Posted by asurfaholic View Post
    Libertarian thinks he can make the rules at someone's private party?
    Yeah, the republicrats don't want anyone messin' with their one party system.
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    The head of the Florida Press Association said the group set out specific criteria for the forum, which takes place at its convention on Friday. The criteria include getting 12 percent support in a poll designated by FPA (taking a 4 percent margin of error into consideration) and raising $250,000 by May 1.
    My heart not bleeding. He had 15% at one point, but then started losing ground over his sovereign citizen stuff. (Which means he wants to be governor of a state that he doesn't recognize?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Why do people do this sort of nonsense and think it will help?
    Yes, because being super polite and well-mannered (and thoroughly ignored) is a much better path to take.

    I say raise hell!
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    Quote Originally Posted by asurfaholic View Post
    Libertarian thinks he can make the rules at someone's private party?
    Private party? These people are running for governor.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Why do people do this sort of nonsense and think it will help?
    Because when they want to shut you up, going along to get along is a much better strategy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chudrockz View Post
    Yes, because being super polite and well-mannered (and thoroughly ignored) is a much better path to take.

    I say raise hell!
    Almost always, the only thing a third party candidate can do is spoil for / against another candidate. And even that is rare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    My heart not bleeding. He had 15% at one point, but then started losing ground over his sovereign citizen stuff. (Which means he wants to be governor of a state that he doesn't recognize?)
    The reality of the situation would be that he is wanting to be governor of the state of the Union, i.e. that republic that we are guaranteed and not the fictional federal state within a state, collection of areas that exclusive legislative jurisdiction has been transferred to the United States with a retro cession of partial legislative jurisdiction held by the state. I say he recognizes the state for what it is. Take your blinders off.
    “[T]he enshrinement of constitutional rights necessarily takes certain policy choices off the table.” (Heller, 554 U.S., at ___, 128 S.Ct., at 2822.)

    How long before "going liberal" replaces "going postal"?

  14. #12
    http://flpress.com/

    Its a private non- profit organization. They have thier own goals and agendas. The Florida press is not a public funded propert that has to be all inclusive. I support the right of these places and organizations to exist and do what they want.

    I'm not saying its right that they made rules that disallow a low polling person into its private event, I hate that.

    I just think its ironic that somebody from a party that supposedly champions private property is willing to come barge into an event that he is not invited to.

    Its freaking ironic.

    That's all I'm saying.

  15. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Almost always, the only thing a third party candidate can do is spoil for / against another candidate. And even that is rare.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...tura110498.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Almost always, the only thing a third party candidate can do is spoil for / against another candidate. And even that is rare.
    Yeah so third parties shouldn't even bother running, right Matt? I mean after all, they are unelectable.
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    Wyllie for Governor
    4 hrs · Edited ·
    I just got back into town, and I thought I should update everyone on today's events.
    Shortly after arriving at the Florida Press Association and Florida Society of News Editors convention at The Biltmore in Coral Gables, I scouted the conference area, just off the hotel lobby.
    The FPA followed through with their plans to increase security. Posted at the entrance to the convention area was a uniformed city police officer with a photo of me in his hand. I saw him repeatedly shifting his gaze from the photo, and then to the faces entering the lobby. They were definitely looking for me.
    I approached the officer quickly, so by the time he recognized me I was standing right in front of him. I smiled, pointed at the photo in his hand, and said, "Yes, that's me. But I'm not going to cause a ruckus just yet."
    We were awaiting the arrival of a local TV news crew that had planned to cover the event. Unfortunately, they called and advised us they were stuck in traffic, and they would be at least an hour late.
    We would have to go ahead without them.
    I walked toward the conference area with staff and supporters in tow. The chief of security started calling after me to stop. I ignored him and kept walking. To his credit, the police officer did not move to intercept me.
    I approached Dean Ridings, President of the Florida Press Association, who was waiting there for me. I told him that we both know why I'm here, and I asked him whether they were going to allow me in.
    He stuck to his guns regarding their arbitrary criteria for inclusion, and we began engaging in a civil, but tense debate.
    Neither of us was budging from our position.
    A crowd began to gather, with my supporters on one side, and members of the press on the other. No one in the crowd spoke. They watched Dean and me intently.
    Several people were recording the event, so I expect video to be available sometime soon.
    After a few minutes of debate, Dean's position began to soften. He offered to let me into the event, but would not allow me on stage. He said I would be free to speak to the assembled media one-on-one.
    It was a major concession on their part.
    They were extending an olive branch, and it seemed sincere. The situation began to feel less like a confrontation, and more like a good faith negotiation.
    At that point, I had a decision to make. I could accept the concession they were offering, deescalate the encounter, and take the opportunity to meet personally with the publishers and editors of Florida's largest media outlets.
    Or, I could reject their offer, proceed to the podium, and be arrested.
    At that moment, I knew that if I had proceeded, that my candidacy and the Libertarian Party would probably not be taken seriously again for a very long time.
    No matter how gracefully I proceeded, exaggerated headlines across the state tomorrow would read, "Extremist Libertarian Disrupts Press Event, Terrifies Guests." Much of the credibility we've earned in recent years would be lost in an instant.
    I would have won the day's battle, but lost the entire war. I agreed to their terms.
    They issued convention credentials to me and one staff member, and gave us access. I spent the afternoon speaking directly with the heads of major newspapers and media outlets. I found that there was actually a great deal of interest in our campaign within the press.
    Cell phone numbers were exchanged. Relationships were founded.
    We scheduled several interviews with reporters, and planned meetings with editorial boards for endorsement consideration.
    Also, based on our discussions, it is seems much more likely that I will be included in all of the televised debates.
    I have to admit, my ego was somewhat deflated because I didn't triumphantly take the stage to address the media. We were itching for a "fight" and we didn't get one.
    But in the end, I'm very glad that I trusted my instinct and accepted the truce offered by the FPA. I sincerely believe we advanced the cause of liberty today.
    “[T]he enshrinement of constitutional rights necessarily takes certain policy choices off the table.” (Heller, 554 U.S., at ___, 128 S.Ct., at 2822.)

    How long before "going liberal" replaces "going postal"?



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    Third parties should stay in the game even if they have to act as a spoiler. Learn em dern em.
    “[T]he enshrinement of constitutional rights necessarily takes certain policy choices off the table.” (Heller, 554 U.S., at ___, 128 S.Ct., at 2822.)

    How long before "going liberal" replaces "going postal"?

  21. #18
    Thanks for posting. Sounds like he has a good head on his shoulders.

  22. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by asurfaholic View Post
    Thanks for posting. Sounds like he has a good head on his shoulders.
    Agree!! Most people are too immature and think in that single moment - he did a good job strategizing the war!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warrior_of_Freedom View Post
    Yeah so third parties shouldn't even bother running, right Matt? I mean after all, they are unelectable.
    It depends on their objective.... sometimes they run to spoil. Other times they run to build a list or start an issue discussion. They almost never and should pratically never run to get elected.
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  24. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    My heart not bleeding. He had 15% at one point, but then started losing ground over his sovereign citizen stuff. (Which means he wants to be governor of a state that he doesn't recognize?)
    Don't know if he was promoting "sovereign citizen" or not but I went down that road once (about 20 years ago) and found it to be a dead end. Many of their arguments sound pretty good and even have some historical support but here's the one place where it falls apart and the one issue I bring up when trying to talk to people on the sovereign citizen bandwagon: Corporate law is contract law. A contract requires 3 things. It requires a meeting of (sound) minds, disclosure, and agreement. In the case of a situation where someone has "created" a corporation using my personal name in "all caps", you have none of the above. If such a contract could be found to exist, it would be null and void for violating all of the requirements of a contract. Certainly I could never be "obligated" to fulfill the contract...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Almost always, the only thing a third party candidate can do is spoil for / against another candidate. And even that is rare.
    Tell that to UKIP.

  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Almost always, the only thing a third party candidate can do is spoil for / against another candidate. And even that is rare.
    In 95% of the major races, there's nothing to "spoil" - both candidates SUCK.

    At least this is a move that forces the Florida Press to cover him; accepting their arbitrary rules would just perpetuate their narrative that there's only Republicans and Democrats worth paying attention to.
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  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by asurfaholic View Post
    http://flpress.com/

    Its a private non- profit organization. They have thier own goals and agendas. The Florida press is not a public funded propert that has to be all inclusive. I support the right of these places and organizations to exist and do what they want.

    I'm not saying its right that they made rules that disallow a low polling person into its private event, I hate that.

    I just think its ironic that somebody from a party that supposedly champions private property is willing to come barge into an event that he is not invited to.

    Its freaking ironic.

    That's all I'm saying.
    1- taking "non-profit" status itself is entrenching them with the State. In a "real" constitutional republic, the State would not be able to confer this status at all - and if they did generally, they shouldn't be able to confer this status to those who discriminate in the political realm.

    2- they are purporting themselves to the public to be a "news source" and candidate forum - not a patsy to the Democrat primary candidates. For full transparency they should allow anyone who qualified to be on the ballot - there is no requirement to have early polling numbers of above 15% or any amount of raised funds to win an election. Further, by requiring 15% polling they are effectively limiting their forum to about 4 candidates - it's unlikely that 5 people, even if they are all "potential winners," would poll above 15% this early in the election cycle.

    3- there is a notion in Constitutional Law that a law/policy can be neutral on its face, but have intended discriminatory effects. This type of qualification would almost certainly qualify as discrimination based on political affiliation. Thus the event should be considered a donation to the Ds and Rs - because that's all it is.

    This isn't a corporate function where a disgruntled ex-employee demands to be let into a private business. This isn't your home where you can deny your stalker from coming over for dinner. This isn't even a private dinner to support a particular candidate.

    This is a "public service non-profit" acting as a public forum for candidates for public office. Hardly a "private property rights" situation.
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  29. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by mrsat_98 View Post
    Wyllie for Governor
    4 hrs · Edited ·
    I just got back into town, and I thought I should update everyone on today's events.
    Shortly after arriving at the Florida Press Association and Florida Society of News Editors convention at The Biltmore in Coral Gables, I scouted the conference area, just off the hotel lobby.
    The FPA followed through with their plans to increase security. Posted at the entrance to the convention area was a uniformed city police officer with a photo of me in his hand. I saw him repeatedly shifting his gaze from the photo, and then to the faces entering the lobby. They were definitely looking for me.
    I approached the officer quickly, so by the time he recognized me I was standing right in front of him. I smiled, pointed at the photo in his hand, and said, "Yes, that's me. But I'm not going to cause a ruckus just yet."
    We were awaiting the arrival of a local TV news crew that had planned to cover the event. Unfortunately, they called and advised us they were stuck in traffic, and they would be at least an hour late.
    We would have to go ahead without them.
    I walked toward the conference area with staff and supporters in tow. The chief of security started calling after me to stop. I ignored him and kept walking. To his credit, the police officer did not move to intercept me.
    I approached Dean Ridings, President of the Florida Press Association, who was waiting there for me. I told him that we both know why I'm here, and I asked him whether they were going to allow me in.
    He stuck to his guns regarding their arbitrary criteria for inclusion, and we began engaging in a civil, but tense debate.
    Neither of us was budging from our position.
    A crowd began to gather, with my supporters on one side, and members of the press on the other. No one in the crowd spoke. They watched Dean and me intently.
    Several people were recording the event, so I expect video to be available sometime soon.
    After a few minutes of debate, Dean's position began to soften. He offered to let me into the event, but would not allow me on stage. He said I would be free to speak to the assembled media one-on-one.
    It was a major concession on their part.
    They were extending an olive branch, and it seemed sincere. The situation began to feel less like a confrontation, and more like a good faith negotiation.
    At that point, I had a decision to make. I could accept the concession they were offering, deescalate the encounter, and take the opportunity to meet personally with the publishers and editors of Florida's largest media outlets.
    Or, I could reject their offer, proceed to the podium, and be arrested.
    At that moment, I knew that if I had proceeded, that my candidacy and the Libertarian Party would probably not be taken seriously again for a very long time.
    No matter how gracefully I proceeded, exaggerated headlines across the state tomorrow would read, "Extremist Libertarian Disrupts Press Event, Terrifies Guests." Much of the credibility we've earned in recent years would be lost in an instant.
    I would have won the day's battle, but lost the entire war. I agreed to their terms.
    They issued convention credentials to me and one staff member, and gave us access. I spent the afternoon speaking directly with the heads of major newspapers and media outlets. I found that there was actually a great deal of interest in our campaign within the press.
    Cell phone numbers were exchanged. Relationships were founded.
    We scheduled several interviews with reporters, and planned meetings with editorial boards for endorsement consideration.
    Also, based on our discussions, it is seems much more likely that I will be included in all of the televised debates.
    I have to admit, my ego was somewhat deflated because I didn't triumphantly take the stage to address the media. We were itching for a "fight" and we didn't get one.
    But in the end, I'm very glad that I trusted my instinct and accepted the truce offered by the FPA. I sincerely believe we advanced the cause of liberty today.
    Lesson: never accept their first offer.
    "You cannot solve these problems with war." - Ron Paul

  30. #26
    My little editorial comment (FWIW):

    Let's first assume that our votes count in a given election.

    We need more political parties running in elections, not less.

    Two parties cannot possibly represent all people in this country who would like to vote. I'm not even certain that 3 parties is enough. Actually, I'm pretty sure it's not.

    Those enmeshed in the Left/Right paradigm are fond of saying political candidates don't need to embrace certain groups because they won't vote anyway. IMO, that's because those groups aren't represented in most elections!

    Everyone here is familiar with this political graph:



    The above graph is divided into 5 political philosophies, and each of those 5 covers a lot of "territory". One can see right here on RPF that there are people who consider themselves Republicans, but are not comfortable with many Republican candidates. Why should they be forced to make a choice between an unacceptable Democrat and an unacceptable Republican? The only other choice in that case is to stay home. That's what I think most non-voters have considered and concluded.

    I think the system would work better if that group -- for whatever reasons they don't feel represented -- would be able to get behind a candidate from another political party who does represent them.


    And the people who keep pushing the meme that "third parties can't win" and/or "you're throwing your vote away" are doing a disservice to our political process.

  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by mrsat_98 View Post
    The reality of the situation would be that he is wanting to be governor of the state of the Union, i.e. that republic that we are guaranteed and not the fictional federal state within a state, collection of areas that exclusive legislative jurisdiction has been transferred to the United States with a retro cession of partial legislative jurisdiction held by the state. I say he recognizes the state for what it is. Take your blinders off.
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  32. #28
    Can somebody explain to me the process of voting in a closed primary in Florida? Since it's a closed primary, only registered Libertarians can vote for him (which is going to be hard for me to convince people to take the initiative to do this other than close friends and family), right? Then afterwards is election showing choices of the winners from each group in the primaries? First time voting for a governor (and officially switching to Libertarian Party), thanks!
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