We need to stop viewing taxation as theft and start viewing it as payment for services

[Boshembechle]

Taxation is in essence payment for a service that is provided by the state. If more Americans starting having this perspective, then support for socialism would increase. I would much rather pay the government for a service I know I am guaranteed, than pay a private businesses who would not help me if I couldn't pay.

[BuddyRey]

I felt exactly the same way that you do about taxation a few years ago. I'm not saying that hanging around here long enough necessarily guarantees that you'll change your opinion, but it worked for me.

[kcchiefs6465]

[rp08orbust]

Taxation Protection money is in essence payment for a service that is provided by the state mafia. If more Americans start having this perspective, then support for socialism the mafia would increase. I would much rather pay the government mafia for a service I know I am guaranteed promised, than pay a private non-mafia businesses who would not help apply physical violence against me if I couldn't pay opted not be their customer.

[newbitech]

Taxation is in essence payment for a service that is provided by the state. If more Americans starting having this perspective, then support for socialism would increase. I would much rather pay the government for a service I know I am guaranteed, than pay a private businesses who would not help me if I couldn't pay.

yeah, I think it would really help if we could also rally behind a charismatic leader and have her be our soul source of inspiration. Then together, we could defeat all of America's enemies.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

I'm starting to think the OP is a moderator/owner just having a little fun.

[tod evans]

We need to stop viewing taxation as theft and start viewing it as payment for services

You do whatever you like including funding and using the leviathan of government...

Only do so with the understanding that you and your ilk are the problem many of us rail against.....

[Ronin Truth]

Services? If I didn't ask for it and don't want it and have to pay for it regardless then how can it possibly be services (so called)?

Just go and extort the payment for the costs from the customers that want them.

[mrsat_98]

Have a look at this guys past posts... He is communist to the core, he even admits it back to his birth.

[juleswin]

If govt limited itself to things like roads, sewers, crime (with victims) fighting and courts, very few people will even notice it or vexed enough to oppose it. The problem now is that govts have increase their attention on non victim crimes, wars, corporate welfare, regulations that hurt business and infringe on our rights to freely associate. If govt want to stem the rise in opposition against it, then it better get small and out of our lives fast and as much as possible

[pcosmar]

Have a look at this guys past posts... He is communist to the core, he even admits it back to his birth.

Yes,, I know.

I suspect he is trying to see how many red bars he can collect. Help him out.

[willwash]

Flame

[Root]

Is the War on Drugs (people) a service?

[Henry Rogue]

Taxation is in essence payment for a service that is provided by the state. If more Americans starting having this perspective, then support for socialism would increase. I would much rather pay the government for a service I know I am guaranteed, than pay a private businesses who would not help me if I couldn't pay.

Why do you want people to suffer in agony? Do you hate people that much?

[luctor-et-emergo]

Taxation is in essence payment for a service that is provided by the state. If more Americans starting having this perspective, then support for socialism would increase. I would much rather pay the government for a service I know I am guaranteed, than pay a private businesses who would not help me if I couldn't pay.

I didn't know you could have multiple red rep bars... Well deserved though.

[tod evans]

I didn't know you could have multiple red rep bars... Well deserved though.

I got a cute little red-rep from someone who took offense at my colorful language in another thread...

[mrsat_98]

Is the War on Drugs (people) a service?

No its genocide and human trafficking, they are crimes.

[Working Poor]

If taxation is so awesome why are our roads and bridges in such bad shape? Anytime someone brings up being against taxation "roads and bridges" comes up. I think tax funds are being mishandled.

[acptulsa]

If govt limited itself to things like roads, sewers, crime (with victims) fighting and courts, very few people will even notice it or vexed enough to oppose it. The problem now is that govts have increase their attention on non victim crimes, wars, corporate welfare, regulations that hurt [job creating small] business and infringe on our rights to freely associate. If govt want to stem the rise in opposition against it, then it better get small and out of our lives fast and as much as possible

Is the War on Drugs (people) a service?

No its genocide and human trafficking, they are crimes.

If taxation is so awesome why are our roads and bridges in such bad shape? Anytime someone brings up being against taxation "roads and bridges" comes up. I think tax funds are being mishandled.

Deliberately trashing the economy, spying on us, putting more of the adult population in prison than any western nation since ever ever, making our cars worse, our food worse, protecting corporations from being sued by the people they harm with their pollution, lying to us, deliberately trashing our reputation around the world so we have to be afraid to travel, forcing us to use a currency we can't even try to save for our old age because it shrinks like wool in a hot dryer...

Payment for 'services' that only a fool could possibly want. Gee whiz.

[nayjevin]

Taxation is in essence payment for a service

The funds from taxation pay for stuff.

Is that stuff necessary?

Is that stuff best provided with other people's money?

Is it fair to make people pay for stuff if they don't want that stuff?

that is provided by the state.

Does the state have a track record of doing an efficient job of providing?

Is there a legitimate state role to provide stuff?

What justification is there for a government to exceed the boundaries of the Constitution to get into the business of providing stuff?

If more Americans starting having this perspective, then support for socialism would increase.

Socialism has not been seen to work on any scale near the size of a state, much less a country.

I would much rather pay the government for a service I know I am guaranteed, than pay a private businesses who would not help me if I couldn't pay.

What services are guaranteed? Who guarantees them? Whatever your answer, this is the size of government that you want.

Would you rather go to the DMV for service?

[acptulsa]

I would much rather pay the government for a service I know I am guaranteed, than pay a private businesses who would not help me if I couldn't pay.

Many private companies do charitable works. Many. More to the point, small businesses tend to be the best places to work for, in addition (when given a fighting chance) to creating the most jobs.

Government gives benefits to anyone who can fill out the form, no matter how little they need it, and to no one who can't fill out the form, no matter how much they need it. It never helps people with head and hands and, most of all, heart. Never. And it gives the most to those who kick the most back to the lawmakers--in other words, those who need it the least.

I say you're on the wrong side, and I don't want to sail in your ship of fools. Am I not to be free to make that choice?

[Suzanimal]

Taxation is in essence payment for a service that is provided by the state. If more Americans starting having this perspective, then support for socialism would increase. I would much rather pay the government for a service I know I am guaranteed, than pay a private businesses who would not help me if I couldn't pay.

Like this "service"? I'm pretty sure you could find someone to do that to you for free.

[Cleaner44]

Taxation is in essence payment for a service that is provided by the state. If more Americans starting having this perspective, then support for socialism would increase. I would much rather pay the government for a service I know I am guaranteed, than pay a private businesses who would not help me if I couldn't pay.

Tell your bull$#@! to the victims of the Veterans Administration.

VA Scandal: Here are six vets' stories of anger and betrayal
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/...rans/12159687/

Acting VA Secretary Gibson says 18 vets on Phoenix wait list died
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/...enix/10023845/

Your guarantee of service is a lie.

I am thankful that more Americans don't have your perspective and that the support for socialism is declining. People are seeing it for the scam that it is.

I understand that you want the taxpayers to provide you with lots of free stuff, but doing it with violence and theft is the wrong way.

Voluntary cooperation > Force at gunpoint

[acptulsa]

Your guarantee of service is a lie.

This.

Your investment in Social Security will be there for you when you're old, except you'll be lucky to get back a fraction of it. If you like your health insurance you can keep it, except it'll get a bunch of stuff you don't need or want added and the price will double. You pay for police protection, but what you get is the federal government 'encouraging' your formerly community-based and community-sensitive cops to run about flash-banging children trying to eradicate meth so Big Pharma can sell more Xanax.

The only thing government can guarantee are further proofs that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[Working Poor]

Deliberately trashing the economy, spying on us, putting more of the adult population in prison than any western nation since ever ever, making our cars worse, our food worse, protecting corporations from being sued by the people they harm with their pollution, lying to us, deliberately trashing our reputation around the world so we have to be afraid to travel, forcing us to use a currency we can't even try to save for our old age because it shrinks like wool in a hot dryer...

Payment for 'services' that only a fool could possibly want. Gee whiz.

Now I am going to have to go and neg rep the op thanks for reminding me why I wanted to when I first read this op drivel.

[rp08orbust]

Deliberately trashing the economy, spying on us, putting more of the adult population in prison than any western nation since ever ever, making our cars worse, our food worse, protecting corporations from being sued by the people they harm with their pollution, lying to us, deliberately trashing our reputation around the world so we have to be afraid to travel, forcing us to use a currency we can't even try to save for our old age because it shrinks like wool in a hot dryer...

But RHODES!

[Cleaner44]

Taxation is in essence payment for a service that is provided by the state. If more Americans starting having this perspective, then support for socialism would increase. I would much rather pay the government for a service I know I am guaranteed, than pay a private businesses who would not help me if I couldn't pay.

Wait, what?

So you are willing to pay the government for a service, because you want them to provide a service that you can't afford to pay?

If you have the money to pay the government, then why are you worried about not being able to pay?

Doesn't this really come down to the fact that you want others to pay for things that you aren't willing to pay for yourself?

In the real world when I pay a private business for service, I receive that service. When I pay money to the government they instead send most of that money to their cronies and I only get a tiny portion of the service that I pay for.

I don't think you have a problem paying a private business for services, you have a problem paying anyone... period.

Are you broke or just cheap?

[euphemia]

So, we pay the government to kill people in other countries? Is there an opt out for that?

[acptulsa]

So, we pay the government to kill people in other countries? Is there an opt out for that?

Sure. Just start paying these wonderful infallible gods up in Washington D.C., who want nothing in all this world but for us to be fat and healthy and happy, more brib--er, I mean campaign contributions than the oil companies, the Military Industrial Complex and the Federal Reserve combined do.

Simple enough. A child could do it--if his last name was Rothschild.

[Working Poor]

But RHODES!

and don't forget bridges...