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Thread: Are there sufficient and compelling offenses by President Obama to impeach him?

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    Are there sufficient and compelling offenses by President Obama to impeach him?

    I believe there is no excuse for the House to not move forward with the impeachment of Obama which is the constitutional solution to our present circumstances. And for the Republican controlled House to not utilize this solution, its members are enabling the ongoing destruction of our country!


    But getting back to our Constitution, just what were our Founder’s expressed intentions regarding impeachment of a President? Let us read their intentions which were made on July 20th when framing our Constitution:


    Mr. MADISON thought it indispensable that some provision should be made for defending the Community agst. the incapacity, negligence or perfidy of the chief Magistrate. The limitation of the period of his service, was not a sufficient security. He might lose his capacity after his appointment. He might pervert his administration into a scheme of peculation or oppression. He might betray his trust to foreign powers.

    Mr. GERRY urged the necessity of impeachments. A good magistrate will not fear them. A bad one ought to be kept in fear of them. He hoped the maxim would never be adopted here that the chief magistrate could do no wrong.

    Mr. RANDOLPH. The propriety of impeachments was a favorite principle with him. Guilt wherever found ought to be punished. The Executive will have great opportunitys of abusing his power; particularly in time of war when the military force, and in some respects the public money will be in his hands.

    Mr. Govr. MORRIS'S opinion had been changed by the arguments used in the discussion. He was now sensible of the necessity of impeachments, if the Executive was to continue for any [FN12] time in office. Our Executive was not like a Magistrate having a life interest, much less like one having an hereditary interest in his office. He may be bribed by a greater interest to betray his trust; and no one would say that we ought to expose ourselves to the danger of seeing the first Magistrate in forign pay, without being able to guard agst. it by displacing him.

    It was moved & 2ded. to postpone the question of impeachments which was negatived. Mas. & S. Carolina only being ay. On ye. Question, Shall the Executive be removeable on impeachments &c.? Mas. no. Ct. ay. N. J. ay. Pa. ay. Del ay. Md. ay. Va. ay. N. C. ay. S. C. no. Geo. ay.

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    Is it not a fact that our President is ignoring our immigration laws and is allowing our borders to be invaded; has engaged in bribery in the passage of Obamacare (the "Cornhusker Kickback" and the infamous $300 million "Louisiana Purchase"); has lied with impunity to the American People that under Obamacare they could keep their existing health insurance and doctors if the like them; has engaged in a money laundering operation under the guise of “green energy” in which he has plundered billions of dollars from our federal treasury and transferred them to his political donors (see: 80% of Obama green jobs money goes to Obama donors.); and has usurped legislative power when he arbitrarily gutted the work requirement for welfare recipients passed by Congress and signed into law by President Clinton?

    Our wise founding fathers placed the power of impeachment in the hands of the people’s representatives to be specifically used to remove the kind of president we now have. Our nation cannot survive as a constitutionally limited Republican Form of Government for another two years with President Obama and his henchman Eric Holder in the driver’s seat.

    Why is the Republican controlled House not moving forward with impeachment and letting the chips fall where they may? Do our Representatives in the House not have a sworn duty to stop the above mentioned tyranny?


    JWK


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    It's never going to happen. Because if it were to happen and Obama were successfully ousted, then people might realize it's actually a plausible solution, and that cannot be tolerated.
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    Impeachment is a dead issue since Clintons impeachment. If Clinton couldn't be convicted of obvious perjury, the bar has been set far beyond what any congress is willing to go for another impeachment.
    War; everything in the world wrong, evil and immoral combined into one and multiplied by millions.

  5. #4
    There have been convicing and compelling reasons to impeach every president I've lived under.


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    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    There have been convicing and compelling reasons to impeach every president I've lived under.
    Yes, pretty much Lincoln and those since him.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    It's a balance between appeasing his supporters, appeasing the deep state and reaching his own goals.
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    Biden! Biden! Biden! Biden for President! Yaaaaa!
    The proper concern of society is the preservation of individual freedom; the proper concern of the individual is the harmony of society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acala View Post
    Biden! Biden! Biden! Biden for President! Yaaaaa!
    Lol, that would be a good bumper sticker: "Joe Biden for president, Impeach Obama"
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    It's a balance between appeasing his supporters, appeasing the deep state and reaching his own goals.
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  9. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    Lol, that would be a good bumper sticker: "Joe Biden for president, Impeach Obama"
    Funny



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  11. #9
    The question could have been answered affirmatively from the moment he accepted the Nobel Peace Prize.

  12. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    Lol, that would be a good bumper sticker: "Joe Biden for president, Impeach Obama"
    back in the day I went to DC to march for Clinton's impeachment with a sign that said "Gore '98"

  13. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by thoughtomator View Post
    back in the day I went to DC to march for Clinton's impeachment with a sign that said "Gore '98"
    Wow, imagine 'Reelect Gore' in 2000, can't say if we'd be worse off or not. It's scary either way.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    It's a balance between appeasing his supporters, appeasing the deep state and reaching his own goals.
    ~Resident Badgiraffe




  14. #12
    Do you really think impeaching the first black president would go well? The right and libertarians will forever be dubbed as racist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanguard101 View Post
    Do you really think impeaching the first black president would go well? The right and libertarians will forever be dubbed as racist.
    By the time it happens it will be obvious to all that it needs to be done. Obama is clearly a highly mentally unstable individual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thoughtomator View Post
    By the time it happens it will be obvious to all that it needs to be done. Obama is clearly a highly mentally unstable individual.
    No. Lol absolutely not.

  17. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by thoughtomator View Post
    By the time it happens it will be obvious to all that it needs to be done. Obama is clearly a highly mentally unstable individual.
    Gimme a break.

    Do you really think that O is worse than W? Everything he has done was first put into place by Bush. O is a neocon with a progressive smile.

    As presence stated:

    presence:
    There have been convicing and compelling reasons to impeach every president I've lived under.
    Probably the only 2 presidents since Lincoln ruined the US of A, that might have been OK (one died mysteriously and the other was assassinated),were Harding & JFK. Possibly Coolidge, as well.
    There is no spoon.

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    Who cares what the Founders said about the Constitution? They established a system that would allow future generations to reestablish its meaning whenever they want. They didnt even impeach Adams for the sedition act.



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  20. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Gimme a break.

    Do you really think that O is worse than W? Everything he has done was first put into place by Bush. O is a neocon with a progressive smile.
    Agreed. All the Obama hate is a diversion into unproductive effort. Obama is a done deal. Get over it and focus on not having a repeat. Even if you COULD impeach him, which is virtually impossible, it would accomplish nothing at all.
    The proper concern of society is the preservation of individual freedom; the proper concern of the individual is the harmony of society.

    "Who would be free, themselves must strike the blow." - Byron

    "Who overcomes by force, hath overcome but half his foe." - Milton

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanguard101 View Post
    Do you really think impeaching the first black president would go well? The right and libertarians will forever be dubbed as racist.
    Why? Obama is doing more harm to hard working people living in our nation's inner cities than to rich White folk who are making out just fine under Obama.


    JWK

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    I see some people here still haven't discarded their normalcy bias. Things are getting downright not-normal at a breathtaking pace.

  23. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by Acala View Post
    Biden! Biden! Biden! Biden for President! Yaaaaa!
    John Boehner is right behind him.

  24. #21
    It would be pretty remarkable if there were ever a president who never did anything deserving impeachment.

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  26. #23
    As always, partisanship is the key. Team Blue will never impeach a Team Blue president...Team Red will never impeach a Team Red president.

    That's really all you need to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cutlerzzz View Post
    Who cares what the Founders said about the Constitution? They established a system that would allow future generations to reestablish its meaning whenever they want.
    Well, to answer your question about “Who cares what the Founders said about the Constitution”, the most fundamental rule of constitutional construction is to enforce the documented intentions and beliefs under which the Constitution was adopted. The rule is summarized as follows:

    The fundamental principle of constitutional construction is that effect must be given to the intent of the framers of the organic law and of the people adopting it. This is the polestar in the construction of constitutions, all other principles of construction are only rules or guides to aid in the determination of the intention of the constitution’s framers.--- numerous citations omitted__ Vol.16 American Jurisprudence, 2d Constitutional law (1992 edition), pages 418-19 - - - Par. 92. Intent of framers and adopters as controlling.

    And, with regard to our founders allowing future generations to alter the Constitution, that occurs through our Constitution’s amendment process, which is the only lawful way to change what the Constitution means.


    JWK

    "The Constitution is the act of the people, speaking in their original character, and defining the permanent conditions of the social alliance; and there can be no doubt on the point with us, that every act of the legislative power contrary to the true intent and meaning of the Constitution, is absolutely null and void. ___ Chancellor James Kent, in his Commentaries on American Law (1858)



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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanguard101 View Post
    Do you really think impeaching the first black president would go well? The right and libertarians will forever be dubbed as racist.
    Which is clearly worse than not impeaching the first black president and forever being dubbed as racist (which has been going on since before I was paying attention anyway).
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

  30. #26
    Let's face it - someone with the name "Barack Hussein Obama" probably shouldn't be President of the United States of America to begin with. It's like someone named "Nigel Warwick Collinsbroke" being the Emperor of Japan. It really ruins my immersion in this world.
    "I shall bring justice to Westeros. Every man shall reap what he has sown, from the highest lord to the lowest gutter rat. They have made my kingdom bleed, and I do not forget that."
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    EXTRAJUDICIAL DRONE STRIKE OF A U.S. CITIZEN AND HIS U.S. CITIZEN CHILD
    "I shall bring justice to Westeros. Every man shall reap what he has sown, from the highest lord to the lowest gutter rat. They have made my kingdom bleed, and I do not forget that."
    -Stannis Baratheon

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by cajuncocoa View Post
    As always, partisanship is the key. Team Blue will never impeach a Team Blue president...Team Red will never impeach a Team Red president.

    That's really all you need to know.
    And neither party will impeach any President for abuse of power because they want to abuse power when they get into the White House. You will only get impeachment, if at all, for sins related to the individual president that will not tie the hands of the next one.
    The proper concern of society is the preservation of individual freedom; the proper concern of the individual is the harmony of society.

    "Who would be free, themselves must strike the blow." - Byron

    "Who overcomes by force, hath overcome but half his foe." - Milton

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm View Post
    Let's face it - someone with the name "Barack Hussein Obama" probably shouldn't be President of the United States of America to begin with. It's like someone named "Nigel Warwick Collinsbroke" being the Emperor of Japan. It really ruins my immersion in this world.
    How's that collectivism working out for you?

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    Well, to answer your question about “Who cares what the Founders said about the Constitution”, the most fundamental rule of constitutional construction is to enforce the documented intentions and beliefs under which the Constitution was adopted. The rule is summarized as follows:

    The fundamental principle of constitutional construction is that effect must be given to the intent of the framers of the organic law and of the people adopting it. This is the polestar in the construction of constitutions, all other principles of construction are only rules or guides to aid in the determination of the intention of the constitution’s framers.--- numerous citations omitted__ Vol.16 American Jurisprudence, 2d Constitutional law (1992 edition), pages 418-19 - - - Par. 92. Intent of framers and adopters as controlling.

    And, with regard to our founders allowing future generations to alter the Constitution, that occurs through our Constitution’s amendment process, which is the only lawful way to change what the Constitution means.


    JWK

    "The Constitution is the act of the people, speaking in their original character, and defining the permanent conditions of the social alliance; and there can be no doubt on the point with us, that every act of the legislative power contrary to the true intent and meaning of the Constitution, is absolutely null and void. ___ Chancellor James Kent, in his Commentaries on American Law (1858)
    Those people had no right to impose their government on us no matter what their intentions were. Their intentions and the document they wrote have no true and rightful authority. I could make up my own constitution (and actually already have) which would be just as valid.

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