Glenn Beck attacking Rand for not blaming Obama about Iraq
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He has no clue how stupid his disconnect makes him seem.
Wasn't he just telling democrats they were right on Iraq??
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Quit yer b*tching and whining and GET INVOLVED!!
Huh? Wasn't Beck just saying a few days ago that he was wrong about Iraq and that we shouldn't get any more involved there?
He's coming around.
For a long time, I thought Beck was just some media whore who just says what ever he needs for some ratings but now after stating he thought the "liberals were right about Iraq", I'm starting to think he's sick. He should be an advocate of medical marijuana. I hear medical marijuana can help with bipolar disorders.
Beck is right. It was a stupid thing to say. The architects of the Iraq War need to be blamed loud and clear, but absolving Obama from all blame entirely is wrong on the merits and disastrous in terms of politics. Obama chose to intervene in Egypt. Obama chose to intervene in Libya. And Obama chose to intervene in Syria. Obama is merely a continuation of Bush's foreign policy. It seems like ever since the Southern Avenger got the boot Rand has lost his ability to speak in a way that makes principled arguments without alienating the very people he needs to win the nomination. I wonder if there is any connection or if it is just a coincidence? If Rand had simply criticized first Bush and then Obama Beck would singing Rand's praises right now and there would be virtually no Conservative blow back. Don't understand why he chose to do it differently.
Because it is not cliche at all for a GOP member to blame Obama. Kind of how the Dems always blamed Bush. Hell Rand Paul could go out tomorrow and blame Obama for cancer, alien crop circles and the extinction of the Do Do bird and the GOP faithful will say, "hell yeah!! I knew it!!" Remember the ridiculous obsession GOP members had about Obama's use of a teleprompter? A fking teleprompter lol! It's just a tool and somehow Fox news was able to turn that into a reason he wasn't a good president when there are about a million reasons why he isn't a good president.Originally Posted by RonPaulMall
Stop playing the Red team vs. Blue team game. It's getting old. If Bush and Cheney didn't invade Iraq, there would be NO mess in Iraq. Plain and simple.
He puts some of it on Obama in some interviews. They are mad that "because Obama" is not the first thing out of his mouth when asked about any crisis anywhere in the world. In the past Rand has said GOP are going to have a hard time winning elections if all they do is criticize.
He really needs to be more vocal about the failures of Obama. He probably just hates the fact that this is all people like Cheney's fault and wants America to know that. At the same time, a lot of it is Obama's fault as well.
Iraq was Bush's war. When it comes to Iraq, the only thing you can really criticize Obama for is not bringing the troops home more quickly than he did (which, he should be criticized for). Obama's foreign policy in other countries should be criticized though, as Rand has done, and the current situation in Iraq has a lot to do with Obama's policy actions in Syria and possibly Libya, which Rand did point out and both the liberal and neocon media chose to pretend he didn't say.
My only critique of Rand is he should have realized he was handing the media an easily-distortable soundbite. Then again, maybe that was a good thing because the result of that has been Rand vs. Dick Cheney plastered all over the news, and that is arguably a good thing.
Obama did supply weapons being used against Iraqis by supplying Syrian rebels.
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Piss on Glenn Beck. He's the worst establishment shill of them all as far as I'm concerned
Yeah, there would be. Because Obama would create it. See, you are playing the red vs. blue game too. Go back to you saying that Obama was a continuation of Bush...
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If he wanted to create it, why doesnt he just attack iraq now? Cheney would. Mccain would. Obama is a continuation of Bush but the Iraq mess still isn't his fault. You are a die hard Team Red so I doubt your mind can grasp that. Blame Obama for Syria? Sure! For Libya? Sure! for Yemen? Sure. For Iraq? Nope.
A large part of the mess is the treatment of the Sunnis in the north by the U.S. installed government, namely Maliki whom is a Shia. They were heavy handed and this is the blowback they are receiving for it. But hey at least you and McCain and the rest of the neo-cons are in agreement over this. THIS IS OBAMAS FAULT!!! He should have kept more troops back!! GO TEAM RED!!
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Glenn Beck has been so irrevocably wrong on foreign policy his opinion is along the lines of "Stu['s]" (his cheerleader who quite possibly is the most annoying semi-conservative personality around). Criticizing Ron Paul's foreign policy approach in one sentence and later adopting that same policy as his own. The man is a propagandist. He speaks now as if he has any ground to stand on after endorsing the worst of the worst, and what were his words regarding that endorsement, exactly?Given how many times the Obama Administration has fumbled on the foreign policy front, Glenn wondered why Paul chose to defend the President.
“Do you not understand how the world works at all, Mr. President? Really,” Glenn asked. “I mean, and Rand Paul doesn’t think he’s responsible for anything? Rand, is this your first day at the bakery here? Is that your first day smelling a really bad cake? What the hell is wrong with you?”
Someone ought to drop Glenn Beck a pop quiz live on air. His expertise on anything less than demagoguery would be a joke to anyone even remotely following current affairs. That these people are respected in certain circles is laughable. To call Obama fumbling, yet being himself no doubt unable to describe US policy in Yemen, Somalia, Tunisia, Kenya, Ethiopia et al. absent cheap sound bites and "cake's" spastic exhortations is a disservice to radio.
This is why we can't have nice things.
“The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell
Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump
The narrative pimped by certain propagandists with a stake to claim is that Obama's fault lies within the fact that he too hastily pulled troops out of Iraq.
That is ignoring of history for a promotion of a certain profitable and convenient dismissal of facts.
"We" are still in Iraq. The withdrawl of troops meant little. Mercenary forces trained within the United States in current aspects of torture, counterintelligence, and the retaining of the coup promoted de facto puppet governance are destined to be there for decades. The weapons procurement, rigged election, and no bid contracts to the tune of billions as well.
An "embassy" comparably as large as the Vatican. What might you figure it costs to deliver Whoopie Pies and other trivialities up a related Highway of Death? What were the profits on building it? What are the contracts on arms afforded to a government soon to be overthrown?
Simply another expensive piece to the hegemonic puzzle.
If one is to condemn Obama, condemn him for his war crimes. Does Glenn Beck promote a trial?
No.
Simply petty redirects when Beck himself is one of the most ignorant regarding foreign policy afforded a soap box.
“The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell
Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump
Beck is wrong. It was not a stupid thing to say. It was exactly and precisely correct.
Yes, they do - and none of those "architects" were Obama.
They were all Bushites (Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Rove, etc.)
How has Rand "absolved" Obama for "all blame" for Egypt, Libya, Syria?
Indeed, when has he "absolved" Obama of any blame for those things?
I must have missed it ...
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In my view, this is a hit piece on Rand, shouldn't we move this out of his forum? Everyone should know by now that anything Beck is toxic.
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How conservative Republicans can continue to support this arrogant imposter—the man who brags about inflicting the world with the Covid mark of the beast; the man who said, “Take the guns first, go through due process second”; and the man who deliberately played and then set up Stewart Rhodes (of course, Stewart was all too eager to be Trump’s patsy) for an 18-year prison sentence—is truly beyond my comprehension.” Chuck Baldwin
So Glenn Beck's weakness is is foreign policy? smh
Can someone please tell me how Obama is not to blame for what is going on in Iraq right now? His foreign policy of regime change and destabilization is causing all this problem we are seeing now. So yes, Obama is not to be blame for the Iraq war but he and his foreign policy team is responsible for everything going on in Iraq right now with regards to ISIS invasion.
lol!
"Rand is soft on Obama"
Not like THIS guy:
(in Barry's defense, he is probably just caught in Christie's gravitational field)
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All of that, cos he should have put more emphasis on the effects Obama's disastrous regime change campaign and support of revolutionaries in the ME. That is not playing red vs blue, its calling a spade a spade. The way its being reported, it just looks like what McCain does when he wants the MSM to see him as a maverick i.e. when he attacks his own party for no other reason than to garner attention
Beckstabber strikes again...“Do you not understand how the world works at all, Mr. President? Really,” Glenn asked. “I mean, and Rand Paul doesn’t think he’s responsible for anything? Rand, is this your first day at the bakery here? Is that your first day smelling a really bad cake? What the hell is wrong with you?”
I have seen through it all... the system is against us. ALL OF IT.
It's hard to admit you're wrong when your entire career is staked on interventionist wars abroad. These guys would have to admit they've been dead wrong for an entire decade or more! It's a piece of reality they'd rather just avoid.
That didn't jive with how I recalled the lyrics so I had to look it up.
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Right round round round
You spin me right round, baby
Right round like a record, baby
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Despite what John McCain tells you, the ISIS invasion isn't really an "invasion." The Shiites (Malaki and the Iraqi government) were heavy handed and mistreating the Sunni population who dominate the north. So when ISIS (Sunnis) took over then northern areas (Sunni towns). They were welcomed by the local population because they were standing up to the Iraqi government (Shiites). The Iraqi army recognizing that they couldn't fight ISIS AND the local population, tuck tail and ran off.
So please tell me, what you wanted Obama to do to stop that. Yes, he did arm the rebels in Syria, but that alone isn't enough to take over all of north western Iraq. If it was, why couldn't they do the same in Syria? The reason ISIS is more successful in Iraq than Syria is not because of weapons, it's because of the support of the Sunni population in the north. Despite what Glenn Beck and John McCain says. As someone earlier said, if Obama has any blame, it's that he didn't leave soon enough.
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