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    Are we paying to bring all these people from south of the border ?

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    I don't get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    I don't get it.
    It's CPU'd. He's run out of relevant gifs.
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    That's the plan...flood out this country with illegals so they suck off the system and bankrupt us.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Yes plus paying to feed them, house them and help them find their relatives but most people here think that's just fine and if you disagree you are not for liberty.

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    This one needs to go viral. Maybe the synapses will fire for the dimwitted:

    Last edited by AuH20; 06-23-2014 at 08:17 AM.

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    I don't know about you, but the only thing I'm paying for is the appearance of being a "good taxpaying citizen".

    Anything they do with that money after it's left my pocket is out of my control.
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    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    The Mexican government is supposedly issuing special 30 day passes for these migrants to pass through their country. That's how orchestrated this whole event is. Normally, the southern Mexican border is near impossible to cross due to the high security there.

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    North Texas Charities Feel Strain of Illegal Immigrant Tidal Wave

    by Kristin Tate

    HOUSTON, Texas--Charities and attorneys in North Texas are strained as a result of the tidal wave of immigrants entering the U.S. illegally, hundreds of miles away at the U.S.-Mexico border.

    Catholic Charities in Fort Worth has organized aid and shelter for more than 200 illegal immigrant minors from Central America. Heather Reynolds, the president of Catholic Charities Fort Worth, told the Fort Worth Star Telegram, "Our nation is facing a humanitarian crisis. We are called to step up."

    Most of the youngsters in Fort Worth have reportedly been reunited with relatives. Others were placed in foster care, according to the Telegram.

    Reynolds' organization is additionally assisting other charities set up housing facilities for the wave of minors.

    Less than one hour away, in Dallas, charities are apparently attempting to train volunteer lawyers who will give legal advice to the migrants. Catholic Charities and Human Rights Initiative of North Texas--a nonprofit--sponsored a training session for people interested in doing pro-bono work for the immigrants.

    In addition, Dallas has started a separate juvenile docket to accommodate the cases involving the migrant children, according to the Associated Press.

    Charities have played an increasingly critical role in accommodating the young immigrants as federal resources and facilities have become completely overwhelmed. Daniel Tirado, a Rio Grande Valley Border Patrol spokesman, told Breitbart Texas that more than 1,000 individuals are apprehended for illegal entry into the U.S. each day.

    In addition to helping to provide shelter and legal advice, volunteers have also been pivotal in providing medical care for the foreigners. Students from the University of Texas-Pan American (UTPA) in the physician assistant program have been helping out at Border Patrol stations, according to Valley Central. Several infections and diseases have already been discovered within the migrant population--most notably, scabies.

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    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    This one needs to go viral. Maybe the synapses will fire for the dimwitted:

    Hmmm...the illegals are not bombing anyone...the wars have cost taxpayers trillions...illegals cost a fraction of that...many illegals don't cost anything.

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    Freedom for everyone...except us.

    Now I have to get back to work to support these POS invaders, Now don't I feel just like a slave...yep
    AlLL THE WHILE MY KIDS ASK WHY I AM ALWAYS AT WORK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by qh4dotcom View Post
    Hmmm...the illegals are not bombing anyone...the wars have cost taxpayers trillions...illegals cost a fraction of that...many illegals don't cost anything.

    It will cause a war here. Illegals coming into this country wanting to have a better life, I have no problems with. But when we (taxpayers) are forced at the barrel of a gun to pay for them---the cost is more than we can bear.

    The agenda has always been to bankrupt the American people so that government can come in and save the day--these illegals will be lambs to the slaughter...the FEMA camps will be ready for them and people will gleefully cheer it on.

    The bigger picture is not a pretty one.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by puppetmaster View Post
    Freedom for everyone...except us.

    Now I have to get back to work to support these POS invaders, Now don't I feel just like a slave...yep
    AlLL THE WHILE MY KIDS ASK WHY I AM ALWAYS AT WORK.
    They were interviewing a young man from El Salvador who told the interviewer point blank that the U.S. would take care of him and his mother. This is madness. We are dead broke as nation, essentially living off credit, yet we are embarking on a social experiment of this magnitude that will most likely fail. And the funny thing is that no one will be any freer after this mass exodus. All parties lose in the long run, of course except for the elites.

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    Well after being robbed to pay for this bull$#@!, the only logical solution I can think of is to be robbed to pay for the interdiction as well.

    Jobs for everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by qh4dotcom View Post
    Hmmm...the illegals are not bombing anyone...the wars have cost taxpayers trillions...illegals cost a fraction of that...many illegals don't cost anything.
    That insults my deep seated, subconsciously blind nationalism.

    Invaders are the migrants looking for jobs. The troops are freedom spreaders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by qh4dotcom View Post
    Hmmm...the illegals are not bombing anyone...the wars have cost taxpayers trillions...illegals cost a fraction of that...many illegals don't cost anything.
    It's solely about contracts. Fed gov agreed to pay for the after-career health care of it's servicemen. That's the issue here. The hypocrisy is stunning. Treating non-citizens better than those that are contractually obligated to care for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    That insults my deep seated, subconsciously blind nationalism.

    Invaders are the migrants looking for jobs. The troops are freedom spreaders.
    Heck yeah! Let's all concentrate on the declining number of illegal "invaders" and get our minds off of the Military/Industrial complex that is trying to rule the world, while we pay for it.
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    It's solely about contracts. Fed gov agreed to pay for the after-career health care of it's servicemen. That's the issue here. The hypocrisy is stunning. Treating non-citizens better than those that are contractually obligated to care for.
    It is impossible, you know.

    It would be like me signing a contract to change the color of the sky. Sure, some folks might sign that contract. At the end of the day, people would be wise to know that the contract is unfulfillable. Much as they cannot provide fifty years of health care to severely disabled veterans. More so than immigrants across the border, the price to be paid for this empire and century of militaristic adventurism will be what collapses the dollar (a trillion dollars a year, right off the bat). But contracts are contracts, and morality is void when collectives act.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by qh4dotcom View Post
    Hmmm...the illegals are not bombing anyone...the wars have cost taxpayers trillions...illegals cost a fraction of that...many illegals don't cost anything.
    Bullcrap..no one is comparing it to the cost of war but if you don't think they receive entitlements you must not know any. I will repeat ..illegal immigrants cost Texans 12.1 billion dollars annually but I guess if you don't live here it doesn't matter to you.
    Last edited by Carlybee; 06-23-2014 at 10:27 AM.

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    complaining about the conditions

    Who fed these people during the 22 day trip? Who is supplying the rafts to cross the Rio Grande?
    Which country's "armed police" charged them $15.40 to pass - on 8 different occasions?

    This Honduran woman is heading for Lexington, Kentucky and talks as though there is already a job ready and waiting for her.
    She says that she has not yet decided if she wants to stay.

    ...It took them 22 days to travel from their home in Honduras to the US before they were caught by Border Patrol agents just minutes after crossing the Rio Grande in a raft.

    “He took everything from us, and he screamed at us and he told us to give him everything,” Maria said in Spanish. “He took our shoe laces, lotions, clothes, sweater and it was really cold. He just left us with the shirt we were wearing and the rest he threw away."

    Maria never expected this to be her welcome to the US.

    Maria and her son left their home in Honduras and embarked on a dangerous journey through Central America and Mexico.

    She faced armed police along the way whom only let her pass if she paid 200 pesos ($15.40).

    This happened to her eight times throughout her journey.

    One time, Maria was also forced to hide her son so they wouldn't take him from her.

    Maria thought the worst was over but she had a rude awakening when she and her son arrived in the Promise Land...
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    ...Maria is headed to Lexington, Kentucky to reunite with her brother....

    http://www.valleycentral.com/news/st...7#.U6hQqygdXZY (video at link)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valli6 View Post
    Who fed these people during the 22 day trip? Who is supplying the rafts to cross the Rio Grande?
    Which country's "armed police" charged them $15.40 to pass - on 8 different occasions?

    This Honduran woman is heading for Lexington, Kentucky and talks as though there is already a job ready and waiting for her.
    She says that she has not yet decided if she wants to stay.
    "No matter what your stances are we are still human beings and so that’s what this is about that’s what we are doing here is being human beings,” Canales said. “Treating people like human beings with dignity. Whatever their immigration status is that doesn't mean they are less of a person."

    "Dignity" costs money in real world terms. Money that is robbed at gunpoint. We don't need any more excuses made so they can plunder our incomes even further or debase the currency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    The Mexican government is supposedly issuing special 30 day passes for these migrants to pass through their country. That's how orchestrated this whole event is. Normally, the southern Mexican border is near impossible to cross due to the high security there.
    Source for that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlybee View Post
    Bullcrap..no one is comparing it to the cost of war but if you don't think they receive entitlements you must not know any. I will repeat ..illegal immigrants cost Texans 12.1 billion dollars annually but I guess if you don't live here it doesn't matter to you.
    I'm not totally disagreeing with you, but I'd sure like to see some free market solutions instead of government force solutions. The answer is not to buld a wall and prosecute businesses for hiring illegals (many of those businesses would be bankrupt if they weren't able to hire illegals. at least they are hiring some americans. that's better than none). Anyway there are lots of free market solutions. Mainly we need to remove the cost the government imposes on hiring legal workers. Get rid of the minimum wage. Payroll taxes. Discrimination lawsuits. Obamacare. If it costs the same to hire an illegal worker as a legal one, every single business would hire legal workers. Also if we legalized drugs there would be no need for illegals to enter the US to smuggle drugs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    I'm not totally disagreeing with you, but I'd sure like to see some free market solutions instead of government force solutions. The answer is not to buld a wall and prosecute businesses for hiring illegals (many of those businesses would be bankrupt if they weren't able to hire illegals. at least they are hiring some americans. that's better than none). Anyway there are lots of free market solutions. Mainly we need to remove the cost the government imposes on hiring legal workers. Get rid of the minimum wage. Payroll taxes. Discrimination lawsuits. Obamacare. If it costs the same to hire an illegal worker as a legal one, every single business would hire legal workers. Also if we legalized drugs there would be no need for illegals to enter the US to smuggle drugs.

    I would like to see some free market solutions as well but we know that is not going to happen before millions more are over here. It is not fair to have an immigration system where everyone except those who come through the southern border are required to not only comply with Visa regulations but they have to pay through the nose too. Why did my husband have to sign documents with DHS that he would not and could not apply or receive any sort of assistance as well as pay around 3 grand to immigrate legally from Canada while the govt is actively encouraging illegals from the south to come here ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlybee View Post
    I would like to see some free market solutions as well but we know that is not going to happen before millions more are over here. It is not fair to have an immigration system where everyone except those who come through the southern border are required to not only comply with Visa regulations but they have to pay through the nose too. Why did my husband have to sign documents with DHS that he would not and could not apply or receive any sort of assistance as well as pay around 3 grand to immigrate legally from Canada while the govt is actively encouraging illegals from the south to come here ?
    We're not going to see free market solutions until the government crashes and is beaten to a pulp. That's just a fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrsat_98 View Post
    https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportun...&tabmode=list&



    Escort Services for Unaccompanied Alien Children
    Solicitation Number: BERKS-RFI
    Agency: Department of Homeland Security
    Office: Immigration & Customs Enforcement
    Location: ICE-OAQ-DM



    More at the link
    There has been an increasing influx of children coming across the border since at least 2010 (while total net immigration has been zero). The position was advertised at least three years after that (January 2014) to help deal with the kids already here- not to bring in more of them. NY Times article from 2012 describing some of the problems: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/us...nted=all&_r=1&
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 06-23-2014 at 11:43 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    We're not going to see free market solutions until the government crashes and is beaten to a pulp. That's just a fact.
    Yep and meanwhile.....

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