Was Mises a racist?

[AuH20]

It's ridiculously racist to suggest that IQ is something inherent within your skin color. And Rothbard didn't even believe in what he said. He merely used it as a political tactic to gain paleocon support

It probably has something more to do with geographic isolation and not skin color. Secondly, this nonsense that people with so-called lower IQs add little value to society is total bunk in my eyes.

[heavenlyboy34]

I'm not a Rothbardian either, but the IQ differences between races in the Western world does have a genetic basis.

All the biology and sociology I've studied suggests otherwise. What is the evidence for your claim?

[Vanguard101]

It probably has something to do with geographic isolation and not skin color. Secondly, this nonsense that people with so-called lower IQs add little value to society is total bunk in my eyes.

This may be true. Just like babies born in a more developed country, will be healthier and etc.

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

All the biology and sociology I've studied suggests otherwise. What is the evidence for your claim?

Really? That's interesting, because the estimates of IQ heritability range from a low of .5 to a high of .9. The heritability of IQ isn't really disputed by biologists these days, so I find it odd that all of your biology study pointed in the opposite direction. Keep in mind that IQ tests are G loaded. Sociology as it exists in the modern university is almost entirely worthless, so I don't really care what 99% of sociologists have to say.

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

It's ridiculously racist to suggest that IQ is something inherent within your skin color. And Rothbard didn't even believe in what he said. He merely used it as a political tactic to gain paleocon support

That is not what's being said, no hereditarian model claims this. I hear this inanity all the time, and all it proves is that the person making the claim hasn't read a single book on the topic, and probably not even an article.

What reason is there to claim Rothbard didn't actually believe what he said? Rothbard allied himself with a lot of different groups over the years, seeking to build a libertarian alliance, but I never knew him to lie to get support. Rothbard was nothing if not principled; just because he wanted to use that fact to gain paleocon support doesn't mean he didn't believe it was true.

[r3volution 3.0]

That there are IQ differences between the races is an extremely well documented fact. It is not disputed by anyone in the field. The only debate is over what causes these differences: genetics, environment, or some kind of error in the data collection. Unless you've personally studied the huge amount of research on this topic, you should not be dismissing the genetic explanation out of hand. On its face, it's entirely plausible. I myself don't know enough about this topic to have an intelligent opinion (though my suspicion is that genetics do play an important role). And, if genetics are responsible (partially or entirely), that has no necessary political implications. "Therefore, we should [insert racist law]" does not follow, so don't worry about that. The realization that there are genetically-based differences in intelligence between the races, if that's what we find in the end, should not trouble anyone other than deranged tabula rasa egalitarians who want to build a utopian society where everyone is perfectly identical - of which I assume there are none posting here at RPF.

[Paul Or Nothing II]

That there are IQ differences between the races is an extremely well documented fact. It is not disputed by anyone in the field. The only debate is over what causes these differences: genetics, environment, or some kind of error in the data collection. Unless you've personally studied the huge amount of research on this topic, you should not be dismissing the genetic explanation out of hand. On its face, it's entirely plausible. I myself don't know enough about this topic to have an intelligent opinion (though my suspicion is that genetics do play an important role). And, if genetics are responsible (partially or entirely), that has no necessary political implications. "Therefore, we should [insert racist law]" does not follow, so don't worry about that. The realization that there are genetically-based differences in intelligence between the races, if that's what we find in the end, should not trouble anyone other than deranged tabula rasa egalitarians who want to build a utopian society where everyone is perfectly identical - of which I assume there are none posting here at RPF.

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