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  1. #241
    Quote Originally Posted by surf View Post
    Protesters march on Seattle’s Uncle Ike’s pot shop

    there's a video to go along with the story. they are saying it shouldn't be allowed where it is, and it's racism that allows it to exist where it is.

    boogity boogity happy 420

    Is there an anti-protest group, or maybe they are at home relaxing...



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  3. #242
    Here's another peach from Drudge;


    Heavy teen marijuana use may cut life short by 60


    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/heavy-te...e-short-by-60/

    Heavy marijuana use in the late teen years puts men at a higher risk for death by age 60, a new long-term study suggests.

    Swedish researchers analyzed the records of more than 45,000 men beginning in 1969 and 1970. The scientists from the Karolinska Institutet in Stockholm reported that 4,000 died during the 42-year follow-up period, and men who'd used marijuana heavily at ages 18 and 19 were 40 percent more likely to die by age 60 compared to guys who hadn't used the drug.

    The authors of the new study, published in the American Journal of Psychiatry, said the findings contradict previous research involving the same group of men.

    But this study was longer and participants might have reached an age where the long-term effects of cannabis were taking a toll on health, said addiction expert Scott Krakower, an assistant unit chief of psychiatry at Zucker Hillside Hospital, in New Hyde Park, NY.

    "Cannabis users have poorer health in general. You'd expect there to be increased mortality risk," Krakower told CBS News. He pointed to another long-term study linking early heavy marijuana use with lung cancer, and a second study that associates the drug with increased heart problems.

    "Marijuana users generally may have poorer diets and they might be tobacco smokers. There's an increased linkage between weed and tobacco," said Krakower.

    Dr. Kevin Hill, a member of the American Psychiatric Association's Council on Addiction Psychiatry, told CBS News, "One of the key messages from a study like this comes down to two words: dose matters."

    The study looked at teenagers who had used marijuana more than 50 times.

    Hill, an assistant professor of psychiatry at McLean Hospital and Harvard Medical School, said most people who use marijuana don't use it at heavy levels. "Nine percent of adults use it at that level and develop an addiction."

    He said the study is limited because it didn't provide specifics about heavy use and continued use.

    Using marijuana earlier in life is linked to poorer psychological health, he said, and that can contribute to more health problems down the road.

    "It is well-established that if you begin using at an early age and use a lot then, there are significant negative outcomes particularly in terms of mental health and it wouldn't be a surprise for that to translate to long-term health problems," Hill said.

    Earlier cannabis use is linked to cognitive problems. Hills said, "One 2012 study showed early, regular use of marijuana - the kind of level they describe in this study -- led to an eight point decline in IQ over time."

    He said it's also associated with worse anxiety and depression, adding, "If you start using marijuana at an early age, you're more likely to express a psychotic disorder."

    In this day and age of continued debate over marijuana policy issues, Hill said, "This kind of study is incredibly important. We don't have definitive answers, but it underscores if you are using heavily, you're probably going to have some negative consequences."

  4. #243


    Drudge again;

    Cannabis arteritis: Australian diagnosed with marijuana-related disease that can cause loss of limb

    http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...-a7020251.html

    An Australian man who smokes up to a gram of cannabis per day has narrowly escaped amputation after becoming the first in the country to be diagnosed with a rare disease linked to cannabis use.

    After an ulcer on his toe failed to heal, the heavy cannabis user consulted Frankston Hospital in Melbourne, where he was diagnosed with cannabis arteritis, an extremely rare disease which causes a build-up of plaque around the arteries, thereby decreasing blood flow to the limbs.

    The patient, who has not been identified, was treated with a balloon angioplasty, where a collapsed balloon, known as a balloon catheter, is placed in the area which is constricted in order to inflate it to a healthy size.

    Smoking cannabis can cause blood vessels to tighten, which increases resistance and contributes to an increasing amount of plaque building up around the arteries, thereby narrowing the artery itself.

    Cannabis arteritis occurs when the constriction of arteries reduces blood flow to the affected limbs, which can lead to death of cells, called necrosis. Severe cases of necrosis can lead to necessary amputation.

    Very similar symptoms can be seen in patients suffering from Bueger’s disease, which is strongly linked to tobacco use.

    Although fewer than 100 cases of the disease have ever been recorded, Dr Soon, of the Royal College of Australasian Surgeons, said medical professionals should still remain alert.

    “Due to the increase in cannabis usage and the legalisation of medicinal cannabis, awareness of the condition is important and may become a growing problem in the future,” he told the Annual Scientific Congress.

  5. #244
    PURPLE DRANK Sends 15 Middle School Kids To Nurse’s Office, 6 To Hospital

    A middle school in a quiet, leafy Washington, D.C. suburb sent half a dozen students to the hospital last week after the youngsters consumed unknown quantities of “purple drank.”

    The incident occurred on Friday at Francis Scott Key Middle School in Silver Spring, Md., reports local CBS affiliate WUSA.

    Between 12 and 15 students exhibited symptoms of intoxication. School officials sent this gaggle of kids to the nurse’s office.

    From there, school district spokesman Derek Turner told WUSA, six of the kiddos were deemed so sufficiently buzzed that authorities sent them to a nearby hospital out of “an abundance of caution.”

    “They had ingested we believe a mixture of alcohol and some other things,” Pete Piringer of the Montgomery County Fire Rescue Service told the station.

    A police spokesman identified the specific components of the mixture as NyQuil, vodka and Jolly Ranchers.

    The kids brought the mash “from home,” Turner said.

    Francis Scott Key Middle School sits amid clusters of well-kept colonial-style homes on streets with names like Burnt Ember Drive and Blossom Lane.


    In its traditional form, “purple drank” is a beverage made from prescription-strength cough syrup featuring promethazine and codeine, some Sprite or Mountain Dew and Jolly Rancher candies (and ice).

    The purple hue — and thus the name — of purple drank stems from dye in the cough syrup.

    Effects of purple drank include mild euphoria, jumpiness, extreme drowsiness and an odd numbing of the nervous system.

    A purple drank purist would never add alcohol to his refreshment. However, notes Urban Dictionary, the purple drank phenomenon now includes versions containing vodka and other spirits.

    Purple drank is illegal. Nevertheless, scores and scores of videos on YouTube and other social media platforms show people — many of them teenagers — making and consuming batches of the concoction.

    The libation is most popular in the American South — particularly among rap and hip-hop aficionados.

    ...
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  6. #245
    Smoking cannabis ALTERS your DNA 'causing mutations that can trigger serious illness, including cancer'

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...ng-cancer.html

    Smoking cannabis can alter a person's DNA, causing mutations that expose a user to serious illnesses, experts have warned.
    Furthermore, the heightened risk is not exclusive to the marijuana user, a study has shown.
    The disease-causing mutations are passed on to their children, and several future generations, it has emerged.
    Though the link between cannabis and severe illnesses, such as cancer, has previously been documented, how this occurs and the implications for future generations was not well understood.
    Dr Stuart Reece, and Professor Gary Hulse from the University of Western Australia's School of Psychiatry, analyzed literary and research material to understand the likely causes.
    Dr Reece said: 'Through our research we found that cancers and illnesses were likely caused by cell mutations resulting from cannabis properties having a chemical interaction with a person's DNA.
    'With cannabis use increasing globally in recent years, this has a concerning impact for the population.'
    While a person may appear healthy and lead a normal life, the unseen damage to their DNA could also be passed on to their children, and cause illness for several generations to come.
    'Even if a mother has never used cannabis in her life, the mutations passed on by a father's sperm can cause serious and fatal illnesses in their children,' Dr Reece said.
    'The parents may not realise that they are carrying these mutations, which can lie dormant and may only affect generations down the track, which is the most alarming aspect.'
    Dr Reece said that when the chemicals in cannabis altered a user's DNA structure it could lead to slow cell growth and have serious implications for the fetal development of babies, potentially causing limbs or vital organs not to develop properly or cause cancers.
    He said: 'The worst cancers are reported in the first few years of life in children exposed in utero to cannabis effects.'
    Dr Reece said the finding was of major importance due to the fact cannabis use is increasing in many nations around the world, as many countries begin to legalize its use.
    'Some people may say that previous data collected doesn't show there are serious effects from using cannabis, but many authorities acknowledge that there is now a much larger consumption of cannabis use compared to previous years,' he added.
    The study carries implications for researchers, medical health professionals and governments in regulating drug use and protecting those who are most vulnerable.
    The research has been published in the journal Mutation Research – Fundamental and Molecular Mechanisms of Mutagenesis.

  7. #246
    [QUOTE=tod evans;6214423]

    Drudge again;

    Cannabis arteritis: Australian diagnosed with marijuana-related disease that can cause loss of limb

    http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...-a7020251.html

    An Australian man who smokes up to a gram of cannabis per day has narrowly escaped amputation after becoming the first in the country to be diagnosed with a rare disease linked to cannabis use.

    After an ulcer on his toe failed to heal, the heavy cannabis user consulted Frankston Hospital in Melbourne, where he was diagnosed with cannabis arteritis, an extremely rare disease which causes a build-up of plaque around the arteries, thereby decreasing blood flow to the limbs.

    The patient, who has not been identified, was treated with a balloon angioplasty, where a collapsed balloon, known as a balloon catheter, is placed in the area which is constricted in order to inflate it to a healthy size.

    Smoking cannabis can cause blood vessels to tighten, which increases resistance and contributes to an increasing amount of plaque building up around the arteries, thereby narrowing the artery itself.

    Cannabis arteritis occurs when the constriction of arteries reduces blood flow to the affected limbs, which can lead to death of cells, called necrosis. Severe cases of necrosis can lead to necessary amputation.

    Very similar symptoms can be seen in patients suffering from Bueger’s disease, which is strongly linked to tobacco use.

    Although fewer than 100 cases of the disease have ever been recorded, Dr Soon, of the Royal College of Australasian Surgeons, said medical professionals should still remain alert.

    “Due to the increase in cannabis usage and the legalisation of medicinal cannabis, awareness of the condition is important and may become a growing problem in the future,” he told the Annual Scientific Congress.[/QUOTE

  8. #247
    I will happily continue my long term case study if anyone is willing to supply the stuff. However, I will require 4 grams per day. I will provide leg rot pictures, or send links to sweet music on you tube, whichever comes first.

    For science.

  9. #248
    The Dirty Little Secret Pot Pushers Don’t Want You to Know About

    States have passed so-called “medical marijuana” laws under the theory that pot has medicinal benefits that can’t be produced by other, legal means.

    But what if there was a Food and Drug Administration-approved drug that gave you all the benefits of the active ingredients in marijuana, such as tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) or cannabidiol?

    What if that drug had been rigorously tested through clinical trials to make sure that it worked as promised, was properly dosed, and had no unanticipated side effects?

    And what if you could get that lawful drug from your doctor in pill or liquid form?

    The Daily Signal is the multimedia news organization of The Heritage Foundation. We’ll respect your inbox and keep you informed.

    And what if there were three such different FDA-approved drugs, and two more on the FDA-approved fast track?

    Would it surprise you to know there already are three FDA-approved THC drugs and that at least five more are on the way? We suspect so, because the pot pushers—those that push smoked and edible marijuana as “medicine”—don’t want you to know about these safe alternatives.

    Some of those FDA-approved drugs have been around since the 1980s.

    That’s right—the dirty little secret they hide from you is that you don’t have to smoke marijuana, eat it in a brownie, or chew it in a marijuana-laced gummy bear to reap the medicinal benefits of THC.

    The three FDA-approved drugs are Marinol, Cesamet, and Syndros. Drugs like Syndros show great promise for countering today’s dangerous “medical marijuana” movement.

    In early July, the FDA approved Syndros as the first orally administered liquid form of THC. Like Marinol, the original oral cannabinoid to gain FDA approval in 1985, Syndros treats anorexia associated with weight loss in patients with AIDS, as well as nausea and vomiting caused by cancer chemotherapy.

    Epidiolex is one drug currently on the FDA fast track. According to a recent press release from GW Pharmaceuticals, a study of 171 randomized patients suffering from Lennox-Gastaut and Dravet syndromes found that Epidiolex decreased seizure occurrence, was relatively well tolerated among patients, and generated no unexpected adverse effects.

    Other cannabinoid-based medications on the international market today include Cesamet, another synthetic drug that treats nausea and vomiting stemming from chemotherapy; Cannador, which is currently used in Europe and has demonstrated potential to relieve multiple sclerosis symptoms and postoperative pain management; and Sativex, another GW Pharmaceuticals drug on the FDA fast track that treats spasticity caused by multiple sclerosis.

    Since these are all medical cannabinoids, they do not require smoking. They are also safer to use because levels of THC can be monitored.

    Knowing these safer alternatives exist, ask yourself: Why? Why have the pot pushers kept this secret and why don’t they want you to know this?

    “The medicinal marijuana system in this country has become a bad joke, an affront to the concept of safe and reliable medicine, defying the standards that we have come to expect from the medical establishment,” Dr. Kevin Sabet, former senior adviser to President Barack Obama’s drug policy office, wrote in his book, “Reefer Sanity: Seven Great Myths About Marijuana.”

    We can thank Ed Rosenthal and Richard Cowan for creating the current public perception of the so-called “medical marijuana” marketplace.

    In a video filmed many years ago, which we highlighted in this 2010 blog post, Rosenthal (former editor of High Times magazine) and Cowan (former director of NORML—the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Law) joked about the nationwide “scam” they started. They realized that if they convinced enough people that smoking marijuana was “medical marijuana,” that would be the beginning of a movement toward full legalization.

    “Once there’s medical access, if we continue to do what we have to do and we will, then we’ll get full legalization,” Cowan explained.

    “I have to tell you that I also use marijuana medically,” Rosenthal joked. “I have a latent glaucoma which has never been diagnosed, and the reason why its never been diagnosed is because I’ve been treating it.”

    But, according to Rosenthal, pleasure trumps any medicinal benefit he should derive from marijuana anyway.

    “There is a reason why I do use it,” he said. “And that’s because I like to get high. Marijuana is fun.”

    Sabet acknowledges that THC has potential therapeutic effects, but these do not come from smoking pot. (We don’t light any of our FDA-approved medicine on fire and smoke it, after all).

    With the average strength of marijuana being five to six times what it was in the 1960s and 70s, the repercussions of marijuana and legalizing it are more evident than before. Some of these include higher risks of motor vehicle accidents, heart attacks, and impaired immune systems and short-term memories. Evidently, the pot pushers don’t want you to know this truth.

    “America is being sold a false dichotomy: ‘We can either stick to our current failed policies, or we can try a ‘new approach’ with legalization,” Sabet said. “Sadly, this kind of black-and-white thinking conceals the fact that there are better, more effective ways than either legalization or incarceration to deal with this complex issue.”

    Cannabinoid-based drugs are better alternatives because they reap the benefits of marijuana’s therapeutic components safely, as well as have the potential to become FDA approved if they aren’t already.

    So the next time a pot pusher encourages a state to enact so-called “medical marijuana” laws, or goes for full legalization in violation of federal law, ask them: Why are they pushing an unsafe, untested product instead of pushing FDA-approved THC?
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  11. #249
    Those "medical" marijuana users just want to get high, they say it helps with their "back pain", their "arthritis", their "cancer", etc
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  12. #250

    If Marinol, Cesamet, and Syndros are so great -- and they may well be -- then sell them in the clinics and let the free market sort out the best product.

  13. #251
    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    If Marinol, Cesamet, and Syndros are so great -- and they may well be -- then sell them in the clinics and let the free market sort out the best product.
    They are not.. cannabinoids provide the buik of the medicinal qualities and those aren't in the prescription drugs. THC provides a synergistic effect in treating some conditions, like pain and insomnia, but for cancer the golden ratio is 15:1 cannabinoids : THC. You can increase the THC without ill effect, it may help with chemo, pain or other issues, but you really want to pump up the cannabinoids for maximum effectiveness, and the best way to do that is to extract the cannabinoids from the plant. Ya, the whole plant - the leaves and stem contain cannabinoids but are very low in THC.

    CBD oil is great, I've dabbed CBD oil in the 60% range, with about 10% THC. Most shatter is more like 60+% THC and .2% cannabinoids, so 60% cannabinoid oil is literally like 300 times more cannabinoids than what you will find in most medicinal grade cannabis extracts.

    The article is written by a moron, but if it were written by someone competent they might discuss terpenes (or terps for short). Terps are what make the cannabis smell different and taste good. Some cannabis tastes or smells like various types of citrus, some like lavender, some like grapes, some like pine, some earthy, some like berries and some like God's vagina (kush although that I think is kinda in the earthy category) The point is these terps have medicinal effects just like essential oils that can add to the medicinal effectiveness of the plant. But hey, let's pretend to be smart and write an article about how big pharma has THC in a pill already....
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  14. #252
    "Sickens"

    THC-laced candy sickens 24 people at Ohio music festival

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/08/06...-festival.html

    Police in Ohio are searching for a man they believe distributed marijuana-laced candy that sickened 24 people at a music festival Saturday.

    No fatalities were reported at the Ohio Dreams sports camp complex in Butler, about 60 miles northeast of Columbus, where the weekend-long EST 2016 rap music festival was being held. The concert was dubbed "The Last Weekend on Earth."

    Richland County Sheriff's Department spokesman Maj. Joe Masi told reporters that someone began tossing bags of the colorful candy into the crowd Saturday morning.

    The packages contained about 20 pieces each and were marked "prescribed medibles" with a reference to a commercial candy brand, according to photos posted to social media.

    Masi said each piece had "a very, very high dose of THC," the chemical that gives marijuana its mind-altering effects. Only one or two candies would get a user high, but some people were eating whole packages, officials said.

    Starting around 4 p.m., ambulances loaded with overdose victims were arriving at OhioHealth in nearby Mansfield, said hospital spokeswoman Nikki Workman.

    She said 24 people were treated, including with the overdose antidote naloxone, and arrivals had ended by early evening.

    "I feel like it's under control at this point," she said.

    Local officials described the suspect as a white man, standing about 5'6" and wearing a red hat with a gray bill and a black shirt with a marijuana leaf on the front.

    The festival, headlined by Cleveland rapper Machine Gun Kelly, was set to continue through the weekend.

  15. #253
    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    "Sickens"
    Oh, sure, go ahead and be all sarcastic and stuff.

    That just proves you don't understand the seriousness of the situation.

    After all ...

    No fatalities were reported [...]

    ... so obviously, things were very touch and go, and they barely dodged a bullet ...
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  16. #254
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Oh, sure, go ahead and be all sarcastic and stuff.

    That just proves you don't understand the seriousness of the situation.

    After all ...


    ... so obviously, things were very touch and go, and they barely dodged a bullet ...
    Certainly the evil marijuana addicts were just hoping to hook more innocent people into their life of depravity...

    We were warned about this behavior over 80 years ago!


  17. #255
    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    We were warned about this behavior over 80 years ago!


    What dumbasses... a poster like this would only serve to make me want to check it out even more. I mean $#@!... weird orgies? Sign me the hell up!

    Tyrants are invariably such impossible fukheads.
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  18. #256
    DEA: Marijuana grow operations may be 'the new meth houses'

    The Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) is taking aim at Colorado's marijuana industry.

    In a June report — titled "Residential Marijuana Grows in Colorado: The New Meth Houses?" the DEA criticized the proliferation of large-scale marijuana grow operations in residential neighborhoods.

    These growers are taking advantage of a loophole in Colorado state law, according to the report.

    Colorado state law limits adult home-growers over the age of 21 to six plants per house. But a specific loophole in the law allows prospective growers to circumvent this rule.

    Amendment 64, the law allowing people to grow and consume marijuana in their homes, also allows any adult in Colorado to "assist" any other adult in "possessing, growing, processing, or transporting" marijuana. Another provision, Amendment 20, allows caregivers — who grow marijuana for medical purposes — the ability to grow up to 99 plants for their patients.

    These loopholes have given growers the ability to turn residential homes into massive grow operations, according to the DEA. Because Colorado's Marijuana Enforcement Division — the body created to regulate marijuana growers — can only regulate licensed grow operations and the unlicensed grow houses fall under the aforementioned amendments, the residential grow operations are in a legal gray area.

    "Much like the 'meth houses' of the 1990s," reads the report. "Many of these homes may ultimately be rendered uninhabitable."


    Residential grow operations can render houses uninhabitable as growers often modify the electrical systems to install high-powered grow lights and air-conditioning units. Further, the modifications some growers make to the houses — including cutting holes in the floor and exterior walls to for ventilation tubes — can leave the houses structurally unstable, according to the report.

    As well, local police departments have fielded numerous calls about these residential grow operations, including complaints about, "strong odors, excessive noise from industrial air-conditioning units, blown electrical transformers, and heavy vehicle traffic," according to the report.

    "The fear behind indoor grow houses strictly comes from an irrational fear of cannabis," Kyle Sherman, the CEO of Flowhub, a Colorado-based cannabis-software company, told Business Insider in an email. "While extracting cannabis oils inside a home can be dangerous, the typical small home grow is nothing like a 'meth house.'"

    "This prohibition-era language is being used to misguide people on a topic they simply haven’t been educated on," Sherman continued.
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  20. #257
    "This prohibition-era language is being used to misguide people on a topic they simply haven’t been educated on,"
    pretty much sums it up.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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  21. #258
    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post


    Safe pot? Tell that to the 62 kids who died

    Marijuana is an addictive and hazardous drug. But lately, some have taken to proclaiming that "marijuana is safer than alcohol," a message that is not only wrong but dangerous.

    According to the Arizona Department of Health Services, in a study that examines all deaths in Arizona of children under the age of 18, a disturbing number of child deaths resulted from substance use. It was linked to the deaths of 128 of Arizona's children in 2013.

    Guess which substance was the most prevalent? Not alcohol, not methamphetamine (although they were close seconds), but marijuana. In 2013, marijuana use was associated with the tragic and needless deaths of 62 children in Arizona.
    http://www.azcentral.com/story/opini...died/71267330/
    Now that a judge has tossed the lawsuit attempting to keep us from voting on the Proposition 205 (The Campaign to Regulate Marijuana Like Alcohol), I suspect that opponents of the initiative will escalate the fear tactics.

    For example, the claim last summer linking marijuana to the deaths of 62 Arizona children.

    Here’s how Yavapai County Attorney Sheila Polk put it in a guest editorial for The Arizona Republic.

    She wrote, "In 2013, marijuana use was associated with the tragic and needless deaths of 62 children in Arizona."

    It’s horrifying, don’t you think?

    It certainly would lead you to wonder what the heck is wrong with the news media. If marijuana killed 62 kids don't you think that might have made BIG NEWS?
    The report they cited shows no direct link

    After the essay appeared I looked at the report Polk used as a reference.

    It was done by the Arizona Child Fatality Review Program and said that 811 children under 18 died in Arizona in 2013. How they died is then broken down into things like: Mistreatment. Prematurity. Drowning. Firearms. Motor Vehicles. And so on. The report also notes the number of kids whose deaths had some relation to drugs.

    I noted at the time that the report says, "The CFR program defines substance use as associated with a child's death if the child, the child's parent, caretaker and/or if the person responsible for the death, during or about the time of the incident leading to the death, used or abused substances, including illegal drugs, prescription drugs, and/or alcohol."

    So, it's not necessarily a child who is using the drugs. And it's often a combination of substances. That's why Polk says marijuana is "associated" with 62 deaths.

    What does "associated" mean?

    According to the report, "Although substance use is a known risk factor in child fatalities, it is important to remember the term associated is used because it is not always clear if or how the substance use had a direct or contributing effect on the fatality incident."

    So, “associated” means no clear direct link.

    As a seasoned prosecutor I’d guess that Polk would not consider that to be courtroom-worthy evidence.

    ...
    http://www.azcentral.com/story/opini...zona/88999508/
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    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
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  22. #259
    Humboldt County's Marijuana Boom Is Destroying Redwoods and Killing Rare Wildlife

    ...

    With California poised to fully legalize marijuana, a "green rush" has hit Humboldt as outsiders—Bulgarians, Laotians, Texans—flood into the county and set up industrial-scale marijuana farms. The environmental impact from more than 4,000 pot "gardens" is ravaging the redwood ecosystem that Humboldt environmentalists have spent decades fighting to save and restore. And not just in Humboldt. The marijuana boom in the two other pot-growing counties that form California's Emerald Triangle threatens a wide swath of the state's woodlands. Like forests worldwide endangered by development, Humboldt County's redwoods absorb huge amounts of carbon dioxide, making them crucial to the fight against climate change.

    Full Coverage: Fight for the Forests

    "The single biggest threat to our environment right now has been unregulated cannabis," said Natalynne DeLapp, executive director of the Environmental Protection Information Center, a grassroots group that spearheaded the effort to protect the Headwaters and its wildlife. "In the last 20 years we've seen a massive exponential growth in cannabis production in the hills of Humboldt County and we've seen really devastating environmental effects."

    Growers have fragmented forests by cutting trees to build greenhouses and roads on steep hillsides, choking creeks home to endangered salmon with sediment, fertilizers and pesticides and sucking streams dry during a record drought to irrigate marijuana crops. Once-still forests echo with the racket of hundreds of diesel generators. Rat poison and other toxic chemicals used by some growers to protect their plants are killing rare wildlife like the Pacific fisher.

    "It's just been really sad, actually, really sad to see what's happened to the environment and a lot of work people have put into restoration efforts, to see those things unravel because people continue to bulldoze hillsides for clearings to grow more cannabis," DeLapp said.

    In a community where there long has been a very thin green line between environmentalists and marijuana growers, DeLapp, 35, is leading a campaign to regulate an out-of-control industry. She's getting help from unlikely allies: a timber company and a group of marijuana farmers determined to create a truly green and sustainable cash crop.

    ...

    "Back then, it was the old hippies and the Vietnam vets who pretty much controlled the whole marijuana scene," he said. "They supported the volunteer fire departments, built the community centers." At environmental groups like EPIC, veteran activists tell stories, perhaps apocryphal, of bags of cash and weed appearing on office doorsteps to fund their good works.

    "This was back in the day when weed was very expensive—$4,000 a pound," said Dillon. "A family could get by on 20, 30, 40 pounds a year and be happy." Today, prices have dropped below $2,000 a pound and as farmers grow more marijuana to make up the shortfall, the environmental impact grows too.

    Mom-and-pop backyard pot gardens got bigger after 1996 when California voters passed Proposition 215, which legalized marijuana for medical use. After spending decades trying to eradicate marijuana in Humboldt County, the state started treating the business as quasi-legal, at least if growers were supplying the medical marijuana market. People like Dillon came out of the woods and started growing pot in greenhouses. "I was the first greenhouse in my valley since the '80s," he said. "Now I'd say there are over 200. Mine are the smaller ones."

    "New people came and got money signs in their eyes," added Dillon, executive director of the Humboldt Sun Growers Guild, a cooperative of local farmers who promote organic, sustainably grown marijuana. "They were like, 'Screw that hippie down the road—he's a wuss. Let's throw up five of these things in a row.' A lot of the new people coming in have absolutely no understanding of the creeks and the roads and the ecosystem they're in."

    ..

    http://www.ecowatch.com/humboldt-mar...954674793.html
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    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
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    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

  23. #260
    "Much like the 'meth houses' of the 1990s," reads the report. "Many of these homes may ultimately be rendered uninhabitable."
    Marijuana is a weed and needs to be treated like one. Let it alone and let it grow and go to seed stop treating it like it is some delicate topical plant.

    Also like osan says:

    Quote Originally Posted by osan
    Tyrants are invariably such impossible fukheads.

  24. #261
    Quote Originally Posted by Lucille View Post
    http://theantimedia.org/chelsea-clin...-anti-science/

    At a town hall event at Youngstown State University in Ohio, the Democratic presidential candidate’s daughter told a crowd full of students about the “anecdotal evidence … from Colorado,” showing “some of the people who were taking marijuana for those purposes, the coroner believes, after they died, there was drug interactions with other things they were taking.”

    To many, Chelsea Clinton’s comments are dangerous. After all, her mother could soon be the president of the United States. As states begin to rapidly embrace the push for marijuana legalization, prompting support for the federal reclassification of weed to grow, a member of one of the most powerful and influential political dynasties in America is allegedly “suggesting marijuana is killing people.”
    [...]
    Urging Chelsea Clinton to correct her comments, Angell said he “hope[s] that she will take the opportunity to quickly correct the record.” Chelsea Clinton heeded this recommendation, promptly issuing a statement through a spokesperson who argued the former first daughter “misspoke.”

    She also added:

    “While discussing her and her mother’s support for rescheduling marijuana to allow for further study of both its medical benefits and possible interactions with other medications, Chelsea misspoke about marijuana’s interaction with other drugs contributing to specific deaths.”

    Though she issued a correction, the possible future first daughter’s comments have already left a deep mark. As Angell predicted, nothing about her alleged correction echoed through the media. What we were left with was the impression that the country’s former first daughter prefers to put conspiracy theories before sound judgement, parroting a myth long put to rest while campaigning for her mother.
    Based on the idea of natural rights, government secures those rights to the individual by strictly negative intervention, making justice costless and easy of access; and beyond that it does not go. The State, on the other hand, both in its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social. It is not based on the idea of natural rights, but on the idea that the individual has no rights except those that the State may provisionally grant him. It has always made justice costly and difficult of access, and has invariably held itself above justice and common morality whenever it could advantage itself by so doing.
    --Albert J. Nock

  25. #262
    Labs?

    $#@!ing idiots!

    From Drudge;


    Marijuana labs spawn lethal explosions across the country


    http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-w...s-the-country/

    An explosion that destroyed a New York City home and killed a firefighter has drawn attention to marijuana-making methods that are legal in many states — but can also be lethal.

    A New York fire battalion chief died responding to the blast Tuesday in a Bronx home that authorities say had been converted into an indoor marijuana farm. They’re investigating whether the alleged growers tampered with gas lines and mishandled other materials in ways that caused the explosion.

    Indoor marijuana farmers can create potential fire hazards by using natural gas, propane or butane to power carbon dioxide generators that make the plants grow. In recent years across the country, similar methods used to produce more potent marijuana extracts have resulted in explosions and other catastrophes.

    Indoor gas use “is a standard way to grow marijuana,” says Michael O’Hare, a professor at the University of California in Berkeley who is an expert in cannabis cultivation. “If you raise the CO2 level, it’ll grow faster.”

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    Some growers rely on propane or butane gas because using large amounts of metered gas from a utility could draw the attention of authorities, who might question why so much fuel is needed for a house of a certain size, O’Hare said. In those conditions, a gas leak could spell disaster, he said.

    An hour before the explosion at about 7:30 a.m. on Tuesday in the Bronx, dozens of nearby residents said they could smell gas wafting over the neighborhood. The house had already been evacuated and fire personnel were on the scene when the blast sent debris flying, killing Chief Michael Fahy, a 17-year fire department veteran and father of three. His funeral was being held Saturday.

    Two suspects, Garivaldi Castillo and Julio Salcedo, were arrested and are being held on drug charges while authorities try to determine whether there is evidence they could result in more serious counts related to Fahy’s death.

    Prosecutors said in court this week that the two-story Bronx property was full of combustible items related to the pot operation, including grow lamps and vats of liquid fertilizer. Windows were sealed and other areas covered with extra insulation to retain heat. Plants the size of “small trees” were growing in bedrooms on the upper floor.

    A lawyer for the 32-year-old Castillo has questioned his connections to the house. Castillo has pleaded not guilty. Salcedo, 34, was arraigned late Friday, pleaded not guilty and is being held without bail.

    Firefighters packed the courthouse where Salcedo was arraigned. Earlier, as he walked into a Bronx precinct, some firefighters told him to “burn in hell,” The New York Daily News reported.

    Given that only about half of U.S. states have legalized marijuana, either for medical or recreational use, it’s impossible to estimate how many such growth labs exist, O’Hare said.

    In marijuana production-related accidents, more than 30 people were injured last year in Colorado from butane explosions involving hash oil — a concentrated form of marijuana extracted from the plant’s leaves and flowers.

    Last year, a marijuana dispensary in Santa Fe, New Mexico, was engulfed in flames after a blast that injured two workers. Fire department investigators said a butane leak met with an ignition source, causing an explosion powerful enough to separate the roof from the wall and melt fluorescent lights.

    And in Washington state, federal prosecutors have brought charges in five cases involving explosions during hash oil production. The former mayor of Bellevue, Washington, died while trying to escape a fire linked to such activity.

    In the past year or so, an especially strong concentrate is appearing — “shatter,” a form of cannabis wax derived from butane hash oil that is about five times more potent and faster-acting than unrefined smoked cannabis. It’s legal for recreational use in states such as Colorado and Washington, but sold in medical marijuana dispensaries in other states.

  26. #263
    “If you raise the CO2 level, it’ll grow faster.”
    Uh rho... That sorta goes against the whole global warming propaganda.

    Some growers rely on propane or butane gas because using large amounts of metered gas from a utility could draw the attention of authorities,
    Sounds like an argument for legalization.. Pretty sure the metered gas is cheaper...


    In marijuana production-related accidents, more than 30 people were injured last year in Colorado from butane explosions involving hash oil — a concentrated form of marijuana extracted from the plant’s leaves and flowers.
    Yes, this is an issue - but the amount of butane required is nothing like what was seen in the Bronx - proper ventilation eliminates these problems.

    In the past year or so, an especially strong concentrate is appearing — “shatter,” a form of cannabis wax derived from butane hash oil that is about five times more potent and faster-acting than unrefined smoked cannabis. It’s legal for recreational use in states such as Colorado and Washington, but sold in medical marijuana dispensaries in other states.
    Vaporizing shatter is a great way to reduce the amount of smoke one inhales, it's more healthy than the smoked plant material.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
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    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  27. #264
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
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  29. #265
    The 'logic' here is flabbergasting...




    Authorities uncertain what led to Michigan couple's death

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/10/20...les-death.html

    Authorities in Michigan were still investigating what led to the death of a young couple after they were found unresponsive in their apartment right before they were set to eat dinner.

    Cameron Hulet, 28, and his wife Courtney Hulet, 20, were discovered in their Dundee apartment Tuesday night. Police said they were about to eat their fast food dinner when they suddenly died, according to the Monroe News.

    “It’s really a puzzle,” Dave Uhl, their apartment manager, told the paper. “There is no indication as to what happened. It’s a mystery.”

    Dundee Police Chief Todd Opperman said that Child Protective Services had recently removed two young children from their home. Police also discovered about a pound of marijuana on the kitchen table nearby where the couple was found dead. Officials believe marijuana may have played a part in their deaths. Uhl said it appeared the drugs were in the process of being divided for sale.

    Police said that neither victim had any signs of trauma, and there were no signs that a third person was involved in their deaths. Police said a neighbor was stopping by to visit the couple when the two on the floor. The neighbor thought they were just sleeping and decided to come back later. Upon their return, the neighbor found the two in the same spot and decided to call police.

    Cameron Hulet had a criminal history dating back 10 years, including charges of possession of marijuana,
    assault and other driving offenses.

    The paper reported that the county medical examiner will determine the cause of death when the autopsy is finished and the toxicology results are made available

  30. #266
    a pound of marijuana on the kitchen table....Officials believe marijuana may have played a part in their deaths
    Wut? It was just sitting on the table. A more likely suspect would be the Taco Bell. (I read it was Taco Bell in another article)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

  31. #267
    This POS can't leave office soon enough. I remember a lot of people used to like this guy (myself included), but now what a joke he has become...


    Tax revenue from legal pot would be 'blood money,' Christie says

    By Susan K. Livio
    on November 22, 2016




    TRENTON — Gov. Chris Christie said he knows he is likely the only obstacle to legalizing recreation marijuana in New Jersey and he's "damn" proud of it.

    "To me, legalization of marijuana for tax purposes — and that is the only way people justify it — is blood money," Christie told a caller on his monthly "Ask the Governor" radio program Monday night on 101.5-FM.

    "I have watched too many kids start their addiction to alcohol and marijuana and then move on to much more serious drugs," the Republican governor said. "Every study shows marijuana is a gateway drug. And every study shows it causes damage."

    Christie ripped into the caller who said a handful of legislators who had recently visited Colorado blamed the governor for blocking a legalization bill in New Jersey. The caller suggested the money could be used to roll back the gas tax increase that took effect on Nov. 1.

    "Are you high?" Christie asked the caller sarcastically, noting the gas tax will generate $1.2 billion a year.

    ...

    "There is nothing we spend in government that is important enough to allow me to willfully poison our children. That's blood money," Christie said. "You're damn right I am the only impediment. I'm going remain to be the only impediment until January 18, 2018," his last day in office.

    ...
    read more:
    http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf...y_christi.html
    Last edited by jct74; 11-26-2016 at 01:04 AM.

  32. #268
    From Drudge;



    Mysterious illness tied to marijuana use on the rise in states with legal weed


    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mysterio...th-legal-weed/

    For more than two years, Lance Crowder was having severe abdominal pain and vomiting, and no local doctor could figure out why. Finally, an emergency room physician in Indianapolis had an idea.

    “The first question he asked was if I was taking hot showers to find relief. When he asked me that question, I basically fell into tears because I knew he had an answer,” Crowder said.

    The answer was cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome, or CHS. It’s caused by heavy, long-term use of various forms of marijuana. For unclear reasons, the nausea and vomiting are relieved by hot showers or baths.

    “They’ll often present to the emergency department three, four, five different times before we can sort this out,” said Dr. Kennon Heard, an emergency room physician in Aurora, Colorado.

    He co-authored a study showing that since 2009, when medical marijuana became widely available, emergency room visits diagnoses for CHS in two Colorado hospitals nearly doubled. In 2012, the state legalized recreational marijuana.

    “It is certainly something that, before legalization, we almost never saw,” Heard said. “Now we are seeing it quite frequently.”

    Outside of Colorado, when patients do end up in an emergency room, the diagnosis is often missed. Partly because doctors don’t know about CHS, and partly because patients don’t want to admit to using a substance that’s illegal.

    CHS can lead to dehydration and kidney failure, but usually resolves within days of stopping drug use. That’s what happened with Crowder, who has been off all forms of marijuana for seven months.

    “Now all kinds of ambition has come back. I desire so much more in life and, at 37 years old, it’s a little late to do it, but better now than never,”he said.

    CHS has only been recognized for about the past decade, and nobody knows exactly how many people suffer from it. But as more states move towards the legalization of marijuana, emergency room physicians like Dr. Heard are eager to make sure both doctors and patients have CHS on their radar.

  33. #269
    More from Drudge and the 'experts' ;





    Marijuana-DOES-cause-schizophrenia-triggers-heart-attacks-experts-say-landmark-study-slams-drug-s-medical-benefits-unproven.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...-unproven.html

    Marijuana does raise the risk of getting schizophrenia and triggers heart attacks, according to the most significant study on the drug's effects to date.
    A federal advisory panel admitted cannabis can almost certainly ease chronic pain, and might help some people sleep.
    But it dismisses most of the drug's other supposedly 'medical benefits' as unproven.
    Crucially, the researchers concluded there is not enough research to say whether marijuana effectively treats epilepsy - one of the most widely-recognized reasons for cannabis prescriptions.
    The report also casts doubt on using cannabis to treat cancers, irritable bowel syndrome, or certain symptoms of Parkinson's disease, or helping people beat addictions.
    A federal advisory panel admitted cannabis can almost certainly ease chronic pain, and might help people sleep. But it dismisses most of the drug's other 'medical benefits' as unproven
    A federal advisory panel admitted cannabis can almost certainly ease chronic pain, and might help people sleep. But it dismisses most of the drug's other 'medical benefits' as unproven
    The experts called for a national effort to learn more about marijuana and its chemical cousins, including similarly acting compounds called cannabinoids.
    In fact, the current lack of scientific information 'poses a public health risk,' said the report, released by the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine.
    Patients, health care professionals and policy makers need more evidence to make sound decisions, it said.
    Several factors have limited research. While the federal government has approved some medicines containing ingredients found in marijuana, it still classifies marijuana as illegal and imposes restrictions on research. So scientists have to jump through bureaucratic hoops that some find daunting, the report said.
    A federal focus on paying for studies of potential harms has also impeded research into possible health benefits, the report said. The range of marijuana products available for study has also been restricted, although the government is expanding the number of approved suppliers.
    Twenty-eight states and the District of Columbia have legalized marijuana for a variety of medical uses, and eight of those states plus the district have also legalized it for recreational use.

    The report lists nearly 100 conclusions about marijuana and its similarly acting chemical cousins, drawing on studies published since 1999.
    It found strong evidence, for example, that marijuana can treat chronic pain in adults and that similar compounds ease nausea from chemotherapy, with varying degrees of evidence for treating muscle stiffness and spasms in multiple sclerosis.
    Limited evidence says marijuana or the other compounds can boost appetite in people with HIV or AIDS, and ease symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder, the report concluded.
    There may be more evidence soon: a study in Colorado is investigating the use of marijuana to treat PTSD.
    Turning to potential harms, the committee concluded:
    Strong evidence links marijuana use to the risk of developing schizophrenia and other causes of psychosis, with the highest risk among the most frequent users.
    Some evidence suggests a small increased risk for developing depressive disorders, but there's no evidence either way on whether it affects the course or symptoms of such disorders, or the risk of developing post-traumatic stress disorder.
    There's strong evidence that using marijuana increases the risk of a traffic accident, but no clear indication that it promotes workplace accidents or injuries, or death from a marijuana overdose.
    There's only weak evidence for the idea that it hurts school achievement, raises unemployment rates or harms social functioning.
    For pregnant women who smoke pot, there's strong evidence of reduced birthweight but only weak evidence of any effect on pregnancy complications for the mother, or an infant's need for admission to intensive care. There's not enough evidence to show whether it affects the child later, like sudden infant death syndrome or substance use.
    Some evidence suggests there's no link to lung cancer in marijuana smokers. But there's no evidence, or insufficient evidence, to support or rebut any link to developing cancers of the prostate, cervix, bladder, or esophagus.
    Substantial evidence links pot smoking to worse respiratory symptoms and more frequent episodes of chronic bronchitis.
    There's weak evidence that suggests smoking marijuana can trigger a heart attack, especially for people at high risk of heart disease. But there's no evidence either way on whether chronic use affects a person's risk of a heart attack.
    Some evidence suggests a link between using marijuana and developing a dependence on or abuse of other substances, including alcohol, tobacco and illicit drugs.

  34. #270
    This'n is a classic!

    Just a bit over 1 minute;


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