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I just love Willie, he's so awesome.
What deaths?Trying to prevent any more deaths
Two Redheaded Strangers
Willie Nelson Feels Maureen Dowd’s Pain
WASHINGTON — WHEN Willie Nelson invites you to get high with him on his bus, you go.
The man is the patron saint of pot, after all, and I’m the poster girl for bad pot trips.
It seemed like a match made in hash heaven.
When Nelson sang at the 9:30 club in D.C. one recent night, I ventured onto the Honeysuckle Rose, as his tour bus and home-away-from-home is called.
I was feeling pretty shy about meeting him. The 81-year-old Redheaded Stranger is an icon, one of America’s top songwriters and, as Rolling Stone said, “a hippie’s hippie and a redneck’s redneck.” The Smithsonian wants his guitar, “Trigger.”
I needed a marijuana Miyagi, and who better than Nelson, who has a second-degree black belt in taekwondo and a first-degree black belt in helping Norml push for pot legalization?
In a Rolling Stone cover piece last month on “America’s Most Beloved Outlaw,” Nelson told writer Patrick Doyle that he had read my column on having a bad reaction to a marijuana-infused candy bar while I was in Denver covering the pot revolution in Colorado.
Willie Nelson, a music icon, also happens to be the patron saint of pot and, at 81, a font of knowledge on the subject.
“Maybe she’ll read the label now!” he said, laughing, adding that I was welcome to get high on his bus “anytime.”
So that’s how I found myself, before Nelson’s show here, sitting opposite him in a booth on the bus as he drank black coffee out of a pottery cup, beneath a bulletin board filled with family photos.
His eyes were brass-colored, to use Loretta Lynn’s description. His long pigtails were graying. His green T-shirt bore the logo of his son’s band, Promise of the Real.
So, Sensei, if I ever decide to give legal pot a whirl again, what do I need to know?
“The same thing that happened to you happened to me one or two times when I was not aware of how much strength was in whatever I was eating,” Nelson said, in his honeyed voice. “One time, I ate a bunch of cookies that, I knew they were laced but I didn’t worry about it. I just wanted to see what it would do, and I overdid it, naturally, and I was laying there, and it felt like the flesh was falling off my bones.
“Honestly, I don’t do edibles,” he continued. “I’d rather do it the old-fashioned way, because I don’t enjoy the high that the body gets. Although I realize there’s a lot of other people who have to have it that way, like the children that they’re bringing to Colorado right now for medical treatments. Those kids can’t smoke. So for those people, God bless ’em, we’re for it.”
Eager not to seem like a complete idiot, I burbled that, despite the assumption of many that I gobbled the whole candy bar, I had only taken a small bite off the end, and then when nothing seemed to be happening, another nibble.
Nelson humored me as I also pointed out that the labels last winter did not feature the information that would have saved me from my night of dread.
Now, however, Colorado and Washington State have passed emergency rules to get better labeling and portion control on edibles, whose highs kick in more slowly and can be more intense than when the drug is smoked. Activists are also pushing to make sure there are stamps or shapes to distinguish pot snacks — which had, heretofore, been designed to mimic regular snacks — so that children don’t mistakenly ingest them.
Trying to prevent any more deaths, emergency-room trips or runaway paranoia, the Marijuana Policy Project has started an educational campaign called “Consume Responsibly.”
Its whimsical first billboard in Denver shows a bandjaxed redhead in a hotel room — which is far too neat to be mine — with the warning: “Don’t let a candy bar ruin your vacation. With edibles, start low and go slow.”
I smiled the whole time I was reading your column. Marijuana and I do not mix either, Maureen, so I really feel for what happened to you. ...
Bill Maher also offered Colorado, “the Jackie Robinson of marijuana legislation,” some tips, including having budtenders talk to customers “like a pharmacist would,” curtail pot products that look like children’s candy, and don’t sell novices kief, superconcentrated crystals so potent that they’re “harvested directly from Willie Nelson’s beard.”
I asked Nelson about Jerry Brown’s contention that a nation of potheads would threaten American superiority.
“I never listened to him that much,” he said, sweetly.
He showed me his pot vaporizer, noting: “Everybody’s got to kill their own snakes, as they say. I found out that pot is the best thing for me because I needed something to slow me down a little bit.” He was such a mean drunk, he said, that if he’d kept drinking heavily, “there’s no telling how many people I would have killed by now.”
I asked him about the time he was staying in the Carter White House — on bond from a pot bust — and took a joint up to the roof.
“It happened a long time ago,” he said, adding slyly, “I’m sure it happened.”
Did he also indulge in the Lincoln Bedroom?
“In what?” he replied, mischievously. “I wouldn’t do anything Lincoln wouldn’t have done.”
Given all the horrors in the world now, I said, maybe President Obama needs to chill out by reuniting the Choom Gang.
“I would think,” Nelson said, laughing, “he would sneak off somewhere.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/21/op...pain.html?_r=0
"Any more deaths."
Well if the police would quit murdering people for drug possession, the risk factor would significantly decrease.
For those hating on Maureen Dowd....why? Is your support of legalizing pot because you don't think anyone is ever harmed by it? Because that's not my position. I am fully convinced that tobacco kills people, I know some people disagree and say it's the additives, but I'm not convinced, and yet I don't think tobacco should be banned. At the end of the day I think banning drugs, whether it is alcohol or marijuana or cocaine, ends up with the same results. People still use the drugs anyway, violent crime rises as a result of the black market, jails become overcrowded etc. I think meth is a terrible drug. I've not seen anyone here argue otherwise. But....has criminalizing it helped? Some states are considering requiring prescriptions for cold medicine simply because it can be used to make meth. Will that really stop meth when most meth is already now imported from Mexico? When Ron Paul was asked about heroine in a debate, his response was "Legalize freedom. Would heroine being legal make you use it?"
There are a zillion ways this ladies trip could have gone wrong. Maybe she's oversensitive? Some folks can't eat peanuts. Maybe she ate too much? How was she to know she should only eat a 1/16? For the experts out there, how can you be sure that someone didn't make a candy bar that was reaaaally diluted and you had to eat the whole thing at once to get an effect? Marijuana producers should police themselves and put whatever information is needed on the packaging for a noob to use their product safely. Otherwise they're just begging for regulation.
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
She was supposed to know to only eat 1/16th because it said it said 16x on the edible.. In her story above about Willie Nelson she said she ate some, didn't feel anything, then ate some more. She should have waited for the first dose to kick in since it was her first time and shouldn't have had that much strength in the hands of a beginner like herself. She should have bought a 1x or 2x treat. So in total she probably had about 3-4x, which is still quite strong especially for someone who has never done it before.
The reason we are hating on her is because she makes it out to be dangerous while the bottom line is you can in fact 'overdose' and eat a 16x treat - you may be out for the count for a day or two but it won't do any permanent damage. It won't destroy any of your organs, you won't die, it is completely safe. It just makes you trip for a day or two, you will have to sleep it off at home.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Dannno, you are wrong. From the article.
A medical consultant told Dowd later that these types of candy bars should be consumed by inexperienced users by cutting them into 16 pieces. That recommendation, she said, was not on the packaging label.
How did you read an article that says the 16 piece recommendation WAS NOT ON THE PACKAGING and then turn around and say that it was? Are you posting while high?
Except the packaging didn't say that. Except the packaging didn't say that. Except the packaging didn't say that. Sorry Dannno, but you're not winning this one.In her story above about Willie Nelson she said she ate some, didn't feel anything, then ate some more. She should have waited for the first dose to kick in since it was her first time and shouldn't have had that much strength in the hands of a beginner like herself. She should have bought a 1x or 2x treat. So in total she probably had about 3-4x, which is still quite strong especially for someone who has never done it before.
She didn't say it caused permanent damage or that she destroyed her organs or that she died. She said she thought she was going to die. Anyone who actually read and understood the article, which apparently excludes you because you thought the article said the warning was on the packaging when the article said the opposite, knows that she was describing a bad psychological experience, not actual physical death or near death.The reason we are hating on her is because she makes it out to be dangerous while the bottom line is you can in fact 'overdose' and eat a 16x treat - you may be out for the count for a day or two but it won't do any permanent damage. It won't destroy any of your organs, you won't die, it is completely safe. It just makes you trip for a day or two, you will have to sleep it off at home.
But again, if your argument for drug legalization is "Drugs aren't bad for you" that argument will not hold water for other drugs. At some point, if you want to be logical and maybe you don't, your argument should be "It doesn't matter whether they are bad for you. Criminalization is bad for society."
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
Some are going to hate me for saying this. But remember the guy that was naked and eating the face off the other guy? Some said it was bath salts. Some said it was marijuana. The toxicology report showed he had marijuana in his blood but no bath salts.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/27/us/flo...nnibal-attack/
I post a link (and there are many more) because every time I mention this story some pro pot idiot says "It was bath salts! Not weed!" Note, not all people who are pro pot are idiots. Not all people who are anti pot are idiots. But if you still think the face eater was high on bath salts after all indications are that he was high on weed...? Well you need to face the facts. (No pun intended.)
Now why am I saying this? Do I "believe all the anti marijuana propaganda"? Nope. But some of it isn't propaganda. To dismiss every concern about marijuana as "Idiot noobs" or "propaganda" or "the kiddies should just no better than to eat brownies that might be filled with pot because...well just because" just makes the pro marijuana side seem delusional. I'm for medical marijuana. I know people are helped by it. MJ isn't nearly as harmful as many pharmaceuticals. But come on folks! Fiji water it ain't.
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
If the packaging didn't say that, as she claims (I'd still like to see the packaging myself) the menu she bought it off of certainly did.
A 16x treat is going to cost at least $20-$30 where a 2x treat will cost less than $10 (rough estimates, I'm not familiar with the prices in Denver).
I've never seen a weed menu that didn't specify the amount of doses in a treat, the packaging usually does as well but certainly the menu will always say what it is when you buy it.
If they knew she was inexperienced they probably would have given her some guidance.
Last edited by dannno; 09-23-2014 at 12:46 PM.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Are you aware that marijuana stays in your system for over 30 days?? So the toxicology report basically indicated that in the past 30 days, at some point, they ingested weed.
Nobody high on just marijuana is going to eat somebody's face, the fact is that story will probably remain a mystery because they may have been high on something, but what? Or maybe something else caused it, who knows, that isn't exactly something that happens very often.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
And you base this on...?
Ah. So you've taken your own experience and extrapolated it to places you don't even live. Every place that sells MJ legally in the entire country does it just the way you've experienced.A 16x treat is going to cost at least $20-$30 where a 2x treat will cost less than $10 (rough estimates, I'm not familiar with the prices in Denver).
I've never seen a weed menu that didn't specify the amount of doses in a treat, the packaging usually does as well but certainly the menu will always say what it is when you buy it.
Perhaps she didn't say "Hey! I'm a noob. Tell me exactly how to use this pot stuff." Seriously, if I was doing what she did the "Please tell me how to eat a pot candybar" thing wouldn't have crossed my mind. Call me an "idiot" if that makes you feel better. I will say this. Having this information now means that if I ever was in the pot business I wouldn't sell "Cut them up into 16 pieces" candy bars. I'd sell the equivalent of MJ Hershey's kisses. Or I'd put 1/16 the amount in the full sized candybar. The way this is being done is a lawsuit waiting to happen.If they knew she was inexperienced they probably would have given her some guidance.
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
I'm not defending every action of every edible maker and seller in the country, but I am saying that yes, every time I've ever seen edibles for sale from the dozens if not hundreds of places I've seen which sell them they clearly say somewhere, whether on the menu or on the treat or both, how much medicine is in there. What I'm saying is that most likely she missed wherever it was being communicated to her because it is obviously being communicated some how, it doesn't make sense any other way that they would just sell a 16x treat without communicating that some how and I happen not to trust the source. I have a hard time believing that what I have found to be true 100% of the time with years and years of experience, this woman who wrote this article for the mainstream media just happened to come upon something I've never seen before on her very first time. Not very probable.
But I will say a lawsuit would be difficult because there are no 'damages', other than possibly missing a half a day of work or something.
The worst thing that can happen if you ingest too much cannabis is you have to sleep it off, doing too much isn't toxic and won't harm your body, that's the bottom line. There is no real toxicity to cannabis at all. It is fairly unique in that regard and why most people regard it as safe.
Last edited by dannno; 09-23-2014 at 02:34 PM.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
I guess it's like the saying goes, "it affects people differently". Kind of like how you said you got "high" off an ecig before. These things just don't happen to me. I've tried to overdose on mj by smoking plenty of times but the handful of times I tried edibles, I've fallen asleep early in the evening.
Anyways it's best if the companies selling these products give instructions on the label. It's actually the law that they do. In addition to that, most dispensaries in Colorado have people working in them that are very helpful in answering questions and giving advice.
I would bet that Dowd is full of it and was just looking for attention because that is exactly what she makes a living off of.
It's also possible that she didn't pay attention to the label and would have felt stupid including that detail. I've been there before. When I was about 18, I was prescribed hydrocodone cough syrup with a 2 tsp dosage instruction. Being fairly stupid, I made the mistake of taking 2 tbsp. It was not a good experience.
Maureen Dowd responds to The Cannabist
She didn't read the label. It most likely had the dosage amount. She thought, oh boy, another candybar. I'll just eat it.“I think the label did have the THC amount,” Dowd told The Cannabist. “But we’re talking about a powerful drug here. I needed more guidance. There’s far more explanation on the back of an Advil bottle. The candy bar didn’t have the cautions I needed, which included how much longer it takes for the edibles to kick in, how much more intense they are, especially for neophytes, and that the demarcated pieces of the candy bar were not necessarily the serving size.”
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Do I need to find some irrelevant factoid of some irrelevant psychopath to insinuate a correlation between the two or has this statement simply illustrated and proven my point?
And what precisely is a "bath salt" (it is a generic term) and what precisely did the toxicology report test for?
And even still, what would it matter?
The truth is that the LD50 of cannabis is so incredibly low that if I were to be the dishonest type, I'd say it was "healthier than Fiji water." Or I may just find an article of someone overdosing on water, dying, and link that to the dangers of the ingestion of water. Or even simply find that some killer at sometime was hydrated and insinuate that it was perhaps the water that caused it.
It isn't that some people will "hate you" for posting that, it is that it is as intellectually dishonest as claiming that a coffee drinker who murdered his spouse was significantly motivated by that criterion or even motivated in the least.
As to your further points (in other posts), yes, all drugs should be legal. That is not to say there aren't dangerous drugs (millions of children are taking them daily, tens of millions of people, in fact). Growing breasts, developing rare tics and seizures, becoming addicted, or dying.
Have what's her face eat a dozen times the recommended dose of Seroquel and get back me. Hell, have her drink twelve (sixteen?) gallons of Fiji water in a day. That'll be all the propaganda I need to disingenuously imply things about one or the other. Though Seroquel truly is a problem.
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