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    Exclamation CA-Man receiving poor treatment at VA hospital tries to leave. Cops beat him to death.

    Widow Claims Veterans' Hospital Police Beat Her Husband to Death

    http://www.courthousenews.com/2014/05/25/68182.htm

    By ROBERT KAHN

    SANTA ANA, Calif. (CN) - After waiting for 4 hours for dialysis with a shunt in his arm, a veteran told a Veterans Administration hospital he was leaving, whereupon VA police beat the hell out of him and stomped on his carotid artery, giving him a stroke that killed him, and they lied to his wife about it, the widow claims in court.

    Norma Montano sued the United States of America in Federal Court, for the death of her husband of 44 years, Jonathan Montano. The Montanos' son and daughter also are plaintiffs.

    The lawsuit comes as veterans hospitals nationwide are under investigation for lying about wait times to which they subjected patients. News reports have not yet linked the long waits to any deaths. Norma Montano does not attribute her husband's death to the long wait, but to the needless beating.

    Jonathan Montano died on June 11, 2011, after VA police brutalized him at the VA hospital in Loma Linda on May 25 that year, his widow claims in the lawsuit.

    Jonathan, who was 65, had a shunt put in his arm by the VA hospital staff that day, and waited with his wife for treatment "for approximately four hours, without being treated," Norma Montano says in the complaint.

    "This greatly frustrated Jonathan Montano, who then decided that he didn't want to wait any longer at the VA Hospital in Loma Linda and decided to leave the hospital and to go to the VA Hospital in Long Beach," the complaint states.

    Jonathan told his wife to get the car to take him to Long Beach. As she went to get it, her husband "was told by the nursing staff not to leave the hospital," the complaint states.

    It continues: "Jonathan Montana told the nurse that he was leaving and was going to the VA Hospital in Long Beach, California, [and that] he wanted to leave the needle apparatus in his arm, so they wouldn't have to put a new one in at the Long Beach VA Hospital.

    "In response to Jonathan Montano's attempt to leave the VA Hospital in Loma Linda, California, the nursing staff called VA Police Department to stop Jonathan Montano from leaving the hospital.

    "The summoned VA Police Department police officers then stopped Jonathan Montano from leaving the VA Hospital in Loma Linda, by tackling him to the floor, slamming his head on the floor, and kneeing and stomping on his neck, and otherwise brutalizing and restraining him.

    "This kneeing and stomping on his neck by the VA Police Department police officers caused the dissection of his carotid artery, that resulted in immediate (or very soon thereafter) blood clotting, which resulted in [his] suffering a stroke. Moreover, the brutalization of Jonathan Montano resulted in him suffering other serious physical injuries, and associated physical, mental and emotional pain, suffering and distress." (Parentheses in complaint.)


    Norma Montano, wondering why her husband had not come to the car, went inside to look for him. Inside the hospital, she says, "she was told by a member of the nursing staff that Jonathan Montano suffered a stroke," and was in the emergency department.

    When she sought him there, "she was told by the emergency room doctor that her husband had fallen down and suffered a stroke, an untrue statement," she says in the complaint.

    It continues: "Later on, one of the nurses at the VA Hospital in Loma Linda took Norma Montano aside, and told her that her husband didn't fall, but was slammed to the ground by the VA Police, that Norma Montano was being lied to, and that it wasn't right what the VA Police did to Jonathan Montano.

    "On June 11, 2011, Jonathan Montano died from the stroke(s) that he suffered from being slammed to the floor and having his neck stomped on / pinned to the floor at the VA Hospital in Loma Linda on May 25, 2011."

    She claims the VA police brutalized her husband without any reasonable suspicion that there was "criminality afoot" or that he had committed a crime.

    She seeks damages and punitive damages for wrongful death, assault and battery, false imprisonment, constitutional violations, negligence, loss of consortium and intentional infliction of emotional distress.
    According to government's own numbers, over half a MILLION people are dead, just in the US alone, because of a man made virus designed to be even more deadly than what would be found in nature, released, possibly on purpose, from a Chinese lab, a virus that that was created from funding and prior research given to the Chinese scientists by our own government because we, in fit of sanity, pulled the plug on funding here.



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    Illness is a crime. Being a Vet is a crime. Trying to decline $#@!ty medical services for being $#@!ty is a crime. What exists today terrifies me. What will exist tomorrow I lack a sufficient word to describe it.

    Ten bucks says the Officers will not be held accountable.

    Unaccountable Authority.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.

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    <double post>
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.

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    His master put him down. This is a nonstory in Human history. Next.
    “One may come to the aid of another being unlawfully arrested, just as he may where one is being assaulted, molested, raped or kidnapped. Thus it is not an offense to liberate one from the unlawful custody of an officer, even though he may have submitted to such custody, without resistance.” (Adams v. State, 121 Ga. 16, 48 S.E. 910).

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    So lesson to be learned, hospital owns patients when they enlist their services and there are serious consequences for refusal of service at that point? And to think some of us were infuriated by the website that sued for bad reviews.

    It's like some violent form of contract enforcement.
    Last edited by moostraks; 05-27-2014 at 05:29 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moostraks View Post
    So lesson to be learned, hospital owns patients when they enlist their services and there are serious consequences for refusal of service at that point? And to think some of us were infuriated by the website that sued for bad reviews.

    It's like some violent form of contract enforcement.
    Contract Law supercedes Human Rights.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    Illness is a crime. Being a Vet is a crime. Trying to decline $#@!ty medical services for being $#@!ty is a crime. What exists today terrifies me. What will exist tomorrow I lack a sufficient word to describe it.

    Ten bucks says the Officers will not be held accountable.

    Unaccountable Authority.
    You listed no crimes but they all constitute probable cause.

    “[T]he enshrinement of constitutional rights necessarily takes certain policy choices off the table.” (Heller, 554 U.S., at ___, 128 S.Ct., at 2822.)

    How long before "going liberal" replaces "going postal"?



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    TIL: That even the VA has it's own murder squad. SMDH.

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    I hope they sue the $#@! out of the nurse who called them too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amy31416 View Post
    I hope they sue the $#@! out of the nurse who called them too.
    Ditto. So much for "Do no harm". I swear every day modern medicine seems hell bent on doing as much harm as possible. Dont even get me started on the cops. "Oh he wants to leave? Tough! Thats his choice! Sir, if you need us to protect you from them, feel free to ask."

    The thing most people dont get about calling the Cops is that the Cops leave when the Cops are damn good and ready to leave, not when anyone wants them to go. Advice: appear boring.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.

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    ObamaCare....

    I have seen through it all... the system is against us. ALL OF IT.

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    Enhanced methodology and incident solutions (including advanced interpersonal communication, conflict resolution, and problem solving skills) are required by their officers to be successful; as in addition to the full range of incidents and calls for service one might normally associate with police work, the VA Police also often encounter trained military veterans suffering from medical and psychological traumas. Beyond normal law enforcement contact with the general public, VA Police officers also work in an environment which includes an extremely high percentage of individuals (to include patients and even other VA employees) who are military trained veterans (with an increasingly large number of individuals who are returning combat veterans).
    The agency's motto is "Protecting Those Who Served".
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...Affairs_Police

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    I was stationed at NRMCGLAKES (navy hospital) and as one who's worked in that environment I find the behavior off all staff abhorrent.

    Everyone involved needs strung up....

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    Quote Originally Posted by amy31416 View Post
    I hope they sue the $#@! out of the nurse who called them too.
    I hope so too .

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    I was stationed at NRMCGLAKES (navy hospital) and as one who's worked in that environment I find the behavior off all staff abhorrent.

    Everyone involved needs strung up....
    Yep.



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    those bastards better have told him 'thanks for your service'. before he died...

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    Another terrorist bites the dust!!!
    BEWARE THE CULT OF "GOVERNMENT"

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    Airports, hospitals, prisons...there seems to be a pattern there.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Airports, hospitals, prisons...there seems to be a pattern there.
    Everything government gets involved in.....................

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    Quote Originally Posted by JK/SEA View Post
    those bastards better have told him 'thanks for your service'. before he died...
    Carter, is that you?

    http://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Carter

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    TIL: That even the VA has it's own murder squad. SMDH.
    Someday I will log on to RPFs and find a news story about the VA acquiring SWAT teams and MRAPs.
    Quote Originally Posted by BuddyRey View Post
    Do you think it's a coincidence that the most cherished standard of the Ron Paul campaign was a sign highlighting the word "love" inside the word "revolution"? A revolution not based on love is a revolution doomed to failure. So, at the risk of sounding corny, I just wanted to let you know that, wherever you stand on any of these hot-button issues, and even if we might have exchanged bitter words or harsh sentiments in the past, I love each and every one of you - no exceptions!

    "When goods do not cross borders, soldiers will." Frederic Bastiat

    Peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry Rogue View Post
    Someday I will log on to RPFs and find a news story about the VA acquiring SWAT teams and MRAPs.
    http://www.angelfire.com/va3/vapolice/page22.html
    According to government's own numbers, over half a MILLION people are dead, just in the US alone, because of a man made virus designed to be even more deadly than what would be found in nature, released, possibly on purpose, from a Chinese lab, a virus that that was created from funding and prior research given to the Chinese scientists by our own government because we, in fit of sanity, pulled the plug on funding here.



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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    TIL: That even the VA has it's own murder squad. SMDH.
    What branch of government doesn't anymore?

    Out on the water, I can't keep track of all the LEO boats, hut hutting around (at full speed burning huge amounts of fuel of course) anymore.

    Just this weekend..."Memorial Day"...on Sunday and Monday I observed the following, one or more, in two 12 hour periods:


    USCG cop boats.
    State cop boats.
    Parish cop boats.
    Local cop boats.
    Harbor cop boats.
    Game warden or "clam cop" boats.
    Homeland Security cop boats.
    ICE cop boats.

    And one, that was obviously some sort of "authority", gray go fast hull, about 32 feet long, blue lights, 800 hp of taxpayer funded Mercury horsepower on the stern, and three goons dressed up in SWAT gear and camo, but I could not, for the life of me, identify what brand of $#@! water cops those guys were.
    According to government's own numbers, over half a MILLION people are dead, just in the US alone, because of a man made virus designed to be even more deadly than what would be found in nature, released, possibly on purpose, from a Chinese lab, a virus that that was created from funding and prior research given to the Chinese scientists by our own government because we, in fit of sanity, pulled the plug on funding here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    That didn't take long.
    Quote Originally Posted by BuddyRey View Post
    Do you think it's a coincidence that the most cherished standard of the Ron Paul campaign was a sign highlighting the word "love" inside the word "revolution"? A revolution not based on love is a revolution doomed to failure. So, at the risk of sounding corny, I just wanted to let you know that, wherever you stand on any of these hot-button issues, and even if we might have exchanged bitter words or harsh sentiments in the past, I love each and every one of you - no exceptions!

    "When goods do not cross borders, soldiers will." Frederic Bastiat

    Peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    What branch of government doesn't anymore?

    Out on the water, I can't keep track of all the LEO boats, hut hutting around (at full speed burning huge amounts of fuel of course) anymore.

    Just this weekend..."Memorial Day"...on Sunday and Monday I observed the following, one or more, in two 12 hour periods:


    USCG cop boats.
    State cop boats.
    Parish cop boats.
    Local cop boats.
    Harbor cop boats.
    Game warden or "clam cop" boats.
    Homeland Security cop boats.
    ICE cop boats.

    And one, that was obviously some sort of "authority", gray go fast hull, about 32 feet long, blue lights, 800 hp of taxpayer funded Mercury horsepower on the stern, and three goons dressed up in SWAT gear and camo, but I could not, for the life of me, identify what brand of $#@! water cops those guys were.

    Well, it is good and past time. On land and sea. And every one around doesn't even speak of rebellion. They have no clue. There is no comparison now for what transpired at our nations founding. Those that first came and their children realized freedom. Liberty. Apart from an enemy to that on another shore. No more. No more. We are well an truly $#@!ed. Best just to lay low and live our lives. Even the children are a part of it. SMDH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    What branch of government doesn't anymore?

    Out on the water, I can't keep track of all the LEO boats, hut hutting around (at full speed burning huge amounts of fuel of course) anymore.

    Just this weekend..."Memorial Day"...on Sunday and Monday I observed the following, one or more, in two 12 hour periods:


    USCG cop boats.
    State cop boats.
    Parish cop boats.
    Local cop boats.
    Harbor cop boats.
    Game warden or "clam cop" boats.
    Homeland Security cop boats.
    ICE cop boats.

    And one, that was obviously some sort of "authority", gray go fast hull, about 32 feet long, blue lights, 800 hp of taxpayer funded Mercury horsepower on the stern, and three goons dressed up in SWAT gear and camo, but I could not, for the life of me, identify what brand of $#@! water cops those guys were.

    Probably one of those NEW alphabets.

    I'd never heard of BLM before so maybe they were BWM (Bureau of Water Management...).



    Well I'm glad the VA was able to reduce their wait list...One by One...just stomp on enough necks and the list will begin to shrink and everyone in Washington can take credit for solving the VA wait list problem.

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