Rand Paul slams Cliven Bundy's racist rant

[cajuncocoa]

Well, since I'm black, I think I see a difference in Thomas Sowell saying there is a correlation between black families dividing and more government intervention versus a white person calling blacks negros and saying we were better off as slaves...

All I see is a diversionary tactic.

[Deborah K]

Well, since I'm black, I think I see a difference in Thomas Sowell saying there is a correlation between black families dividing and more government intervention versus a white person calling blacks negros and saying we were better off as slaves...

He never said that, please watch what he said in it's entirety. If anything, he is inarticulate, and old dude using old terminology and old analogies:



I agree with Brian's assessment here as well:

Agree. The irony here is that if you listen to Bundy's entire monologue, the actual intent was exactly the opposite of what the media is saying. He was talking about freedom, and that he doesn't want the situation for black (or any) people to go backwards to the Watts riot era, he wants to move forward. He wants people to have jobs and families, and he wants to provide more freedom by removing overbearing bureaucracy. He wants to help everyone, calling them all his brothers. He basically called for immigration Amnesty. He was sounding like Jeb Bush, who the media loves.

He was trying his hardest to please the politically correct left while also expressing his values (about freedom). The problem was that he sounded like an old, white Mormon from the Great Depression when he did it.

Lesson learned: don't let the left drive the conversation. Don't try to please them, especially in areas that are famously "gotchas" and red herrings. You have the right to remain silent, anything you say can and will be used against you in the court of establishment media.

The full video:

http://bambuser.com/v/4549915?v=m

Edit: I didn't post the tube. Posted now.

[klamath]

Agree. The irony here is that if you listen to Bundy's entire monologue, the actual intent was exactly the opposite of what the media is saying. He was talking about freedom, and that he doesn't want the situation for black (or any) people to go backwards to the Watts riot era, he wants to move forward. He wants people to have jobs and families, and he wants to provide more freedom by removing overbearing bureaucracy. He wants to help everyone, calling them all his brothers. He basically called for immigration Amnesty. He was sounding like Jeb Bush, who the media loves.

He was trying his hardest to please the politically correct left while also expressing his values (about freedom). The problem was that he sounded like an old, white Mormon from the Great Depression when he did it.

Lesson learned: don't let the left drive the conversation. Don't try to please them, especially in areas that are famously "gotchas" and red herrings. You have the right to remain silent, anything you say can and will be used against you in the court of establishment media.

He was in control of the federal lands debate and was stirring more debate on it than I have heard in decades. The media was for the most part talking about his issues and federal overreach was losing. Now every damned media story is about comparing negro welfare to slavery. Like you said. Hopefully lesson learned.

[Deborah K]

Another black perspective on the cause of torn black families:

[Deborah K]

and another black man's perspective:

http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/black-lea...ks-not-racist/

[NoOneButPaul]

So let's say he wasn't slandered, which i'm going to bet he was, the fact is what he said was true.

Black people used to be slaves - this is a fact - the point he was making is they are still slaves now because of what the government has done to them. Clearly that's all he was trying to say... I did not get the impression he was being racist.

[James Madison]

So let's say he wasn't slandered, which i'm going to bet he was, the fact is what he said was true.

Black people used to be slaves - this is a fact - the point he was making is they are still slaves now because of what the government has done to them. Clearly that's all he was trying to say... I did not get the impression he was being racist.

It wasn't racist; it was definitely not PC, but it wasn't racist, either.

Comparing physical bondage to welfarism, however, is ridiculous. It's the difference between a water pistol and a Desert Eagle.

If you escape from one, you get a nice house in the suburbs. If you escape from the other, you're kidnapped and return to your master.

[cajuncocoa]

Put the shovel down and stop digging. Trying to justify these comments is a lose-lose situation. The issue that put Bundy in the news had nothing to do with slavery or race.

[AuH20]

It wasn't racist; it was definitely not PC, but it wasn't racist, either.

Comparing physical bondage to welfarism, however, is ridiculous. It's the difference between a water pistol and a Desert Eagle.

If you escape from one, you get a nice house in the suburbs. If you escape from the other, you're kidnapped and return to your master.

That's where I disagree. It all leads to the same place ultimately. Sure, slavery is more brutal and grueling, but the generational poverty perpetrated by the welfare state often leads to life shortening factors like incarceration, family negligence and other grave social ills. The welfare mentality is far more subtle but it's still destroying generations of African Americans.

[James Madison]

BTW, I couldn't care less about him using the word 'negro'.



Been part of my vocabulary ever since!

[nobody's_hero]

Usually, when Sowell and others are talking about blacks being better off under slavery than under welfare, they're talking about the stability of the family. Nobody in their right mind would honestly say that slavery, which is the equivalent to being jailed for no just cause at all, is better than welfarism.

There is a massive gulf between the two ideas, and they need to stop being conflated.

Perhaps it is a matter of perspective, but I tend to subscribe to an idea that, to borrow an old quote:

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.

If indeed we were witnessing public auctions of human life, the physical whips that break a man's body, and the chains that physically bind him, then it would be far too easy to label what we continue to see in society as 'slavery.' But the slavery of the 21st century is far more subtle and therefore all the more sinister.

In the antebellum period, in southern states, it was as punishable a crime to teach a slave to read than it was to arm that slave with a firearm. You might say, 'well, what is the harm in learning to read? Why is the sentence for giving a slave a firearm as strict as teaching a slave to read? Could they not do more harm with firearms?'

The answer: Knowledge sets a man free. Mental slavery is the key to maintaining control.

Give a man a firearm and without the knowledge that he is enslaved, and he might as well be armed with mittens, for he will do nothing to free himself from a state of obliviousness. But at that very moment a man is capable of recognizing he is enslaved, all he then needs are the tools to free himself. From the moment of his mind's awakening, he is a true threat to power.

What pisses me off the most is that only blacks are capable of making this argument in front of blacks. ANY time it comes from a white man, such as Bundy, it becomes an issue of race rather than intellectual debate.

[klamath]

That's where I disagree. It all leads to the same place ultimately. Sure, slavery is more brutal and grueling, but the generational poverty perpetrated by the welfare state often leads to life shortening factors like incarceration, family negligence and other grave social ills. The welfare mentality is far more subtle but it's still destroying generations of African Americans.

But they still have their own free will. That is freaking huge.

[AuH20]

Alex Jones stated that in the 1930s the resident black populations had a LOWER CRIME RATE (before the CRA I might add) than their white counterparts. Fast forward to 2014 and their crime statistics are nothing less than an epidemic.

[James Madison]

Alex Jones stated that in the 1930s the resident black populations had a LOWER CRIME RATE (before the CRA I might add) than their white counterparts. Fast forward to 2014 and their crime statistics are nothing less than an epidemic.

I don't think you'll find anyone on here that believes the 'Great Society' has been anything other than a disaster, but give me 2014 over the 19th Century. I can make my own path.

[Peace&Freedom]

Put the shovel down and stop digging. Trying to justify these comments is a lose-lose situation. The issue that put Bundy in the news had nothing to do with slavery or race.

True, it's lose-lose, but not because the comments were undefendable. Bundy erred (as he is rancher, not a media-saavy politician or pundit) by parking the conversation back in race-land. Regardless of the merits, the cultural left and MSM control the framework on such issues like they're the crown jewels. The "whites who insensitively touch on race/welfare = backward racists and rubes" meme is the chief club they use to control the perceived mainstream, or to marginalize/blackout discussion of anything else.

[AuH20]

I don't think you'll find anyone on here that believes the 'Great Society' has been anything other than a disaster, but give me 2014 over the 19th Century. I can make my own path.

I think there are pros and cons to both eras. What I was trying to state is that something transformative happened along the way. The cultural fabric that defined African Americans was altered in some way from 1930s and on. We're talking about a stark difference in behavior in a very short amount of time. At one time, blacks on average were less belligerent and more law abiding than Whites!!

[cajuncocoa]

True, it's lose-lose, but not because the comments were undefendable. Bundy erred (as he is rancher, not a media-saavy politician or pundit) by parking the conversation back in race-land. Regardless of the merits, the cultural left and MSM control the framework on such issues like they're the crown jewels. The "whites who insensitively touch on race/welfare = backward racists and rubes" meme is the chief club they use to control the perceived mainstream, or to marginalize/blackout discussion of anything else.

All true, but if we fail to continue to support this man (especially now) we are sending the message that it's fine (and approved by us) to grab the land and/or harass, by media and Federal government agencies, anyone for Liberal-sanctioned thought-crimes and words. That's a really bad message to send. We cannot back down.

Remember, they think all of us are just as bad, or worse. Harry Reid recently called us "domestic terrorists".

[Feeding the Abscess]

Well maybe I am wrong, but I thought that slaves were often sold away from their families. So to me, the discussion (as absolutely absurd as it is) is as far as families go, the welfare state breaks them up just like slavery did.

You are correct, that did happen. Sowell and others who have made that argument state (and seem to have evidence to prove this assertion) that the black family has been divided even more effectively under the welfare state than it was under slavery.

My point, which probably wasn't made well, was that there is a massive gulf between saying the unity of the black family has been assaulted to a greater degree under welfarism than slavery and saying that blacks were better off under slavery; people who bring this issue up tend to drift from the former idea and jump right into the latter. It's entirely wrong, and is a dumb thing to say.

[MRK]

*“So @SenRandPaul took 12 hours to condemn Bundy’s racist rant. 12 hours. I dunno about him, but my outrage was pretty instant,” Elleithee wrote.

How much meth does this guy put in his breakfast cereal bowl to able to respond to every newspaper article in the country with his third party opinion within 12 hours?

[devil21]

Weigel and his Journo-list friends have already declared war on Rand. They are TRYING to wrangle him into racial topics!!!! It's all they have to smear him!

RAND, FOR THE LOVE OF THE CREATOR PLEASE STOP FALLING FOR IT!! A bunch of Israel-firsters in 'DC journalism' have made it clear they will do everything they can to bring you down. There was a post on RPF earlier about Rand's office being the first called by the NYT after they edited the video, seeking comment. STOP BEING REACTIONARY! YOU WILL BE ABOVE IT BY WAITING FOR THE WHOLE PICTURE TO COME OUT AND YOUR OFFICE STAFF BETTER THINK THE SAME!

[S.Shorland]

The comment above mine on facebook saying 'although Bundy's comments were racist,his property rights still need to be protected' got 259 thumbs up.Mine saying that Bundy was making an anti-government point and that it's a shame supposedly intelligent people can't stand up to this race baiting catch-all crap,got none.Anyone who hears his comments or reads the transcript can see what he is saying INCLUDING Rand Paul.If your leaders don't stand up to this most often used statist tool,who the feck will?

[Vanguard101]

He never said that, please watch what he said in it's entirety. If anything, he is inarticulate, and old dude using old terminology and old analogies:



I agree with Brian's assessment here as well:


Edit: I didn't post the tube. Posted now.

Smh. "The nigga" "They abort their children" He asked were they better off. Are you really defending this person? Whatevs

[S.Shorland]

The 'They' are the government.Can't you understand English?

[cajuncocoa]

Smh. "The nigga" "They abort their children" He asked were they better off. Are you really defending this person? Whatevs

Not for the words he said, no. For his right to say them? Yes (First Amendment). Against the abuses of government, yes....definitely.

[Root]

Not for the words he said, no. For his right to say them? Yes (First Amendment). Against the abuses of government, yes....definitely.

+ rep

[S.Shorland]

What did he actually say that was racist?

[Carlybee]

What did he actually say that was racist?

The perception is that he inferred black people might be better off picking cotton and he called them negroes. All people heard was negro and cotton.

[angelatc]

You are correct, that did happen. Sowell and others who have made that argument state (and seem to have evidence to prove this assertion) that the black family has been divided even more effectively under the welfare state than it was under slavery.

My point, which probably wasn't made well, was that there is a massive gulf between saying the unity of the black family has been assaulted to a greater degree under welfarism than slavery and saying that blacks were better off under slavery; people who bring this issue up tend to drift from the former idea and jump right into the latter. It's entirely wrong, and is a dumb thing to say.

I agree. But we spent enough time dealing with Ron's newsletters that we should already know how this is going to go. The left isn't looking to be ideologically consistent and therefore they don't care what Harry Reid said. They aren't looking to build strong families, so they don't care if underlying statistics support even a fraction of the point Bundy was trying to make.

They know only that he just handed them a bludgeon, and they will absolutely use it to beat him to death with it.

But there is a ray of hope in this, and that is seeing neocons like Pat Dollard who were happy to throw Ron under the bus now supporting Bundy for worse.

[asurfaholic]

I think we need to seriously consider going after reporters with agendas, using their comments sections, and emailing/twittering them directly. They should be exposed.

Good idea

Lets start writing strongly worded letters and end this travesty.

[KingNothing]

Maybe Perry can invite Bundy out hunting at "Niggerhead".

Birds of a feather lynch together.*


*this was an attempt at humor and I am not saying the Perry and Bundy are racist, but they might be pretty racist.