And so the character assasination of Cliven Bundy Begins!!!!!

[AuH20]

Here they go!!! Are his comments insensitive? Yes. Does he deserve to be droned for them? No. And the irony is that his comments are pretty truthful. The black man in this country has been stripped of dignity and respect by the dark forces of institutionalized racism and in turn has received a new set of chains.


http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/04/24...-the-west.html

But if the federal government has moved on, Mr. Bundy — a father of 14 and a registered Republican — has not.

He said he would continue holding a daily news conference; on Saturday, it drew one reporter and one photographer, so Mr. Bundy used the time to officiate at what was in effect a town meeting with supporters, discussing, in a long, loping discourse, the prevalence of abortion, the abuses of welfare and his views on race.

“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, “and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch — they didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do.

“And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”

[klamath]

I didn't want to post this article but since you did. Bundy just lost a huge step in the PR war. He should have kept his mouth SHUT. If he hadn't of singled out "negros" in his diatribe against government welfare being bad his case would have been solid.

[AuH20]

I didn't want to post this article but since you did. Bundy just lost a huge step in the PR war. He should have kept his mouth SHUT. If he hadn't of singled out "negros" in his diatribe against government welfare being bad his case would have been solid.

Forget about the nonsensical PR war. Does he deserve to die for these insensitive comments? Because that is what's coming. Take for example, Randy Weaver who moved to the hinterlands so his family would not be subject to the cancers of urban blight.

[klamath]

Forget about the nonsensical PR war. Does he deserve to die for these insensitive comments? Because that is what's coming. Take for example, Randy Weaver who moved to the hinterlands so his family would not be subject to the cancers of urban blight.

No he doesn't deserve to die but that "nonsensical PR war is what WILL keep him alive". Let the government brand him as a neoconfederate slave supporter and the American people won't bat an eye when the feds wipe him out and any militia with him.
The PR war is the only reason he is alive today.

[squarepusher]

[PRB]

Here they go!!! Are his comments insensitive? Yes. Does he deserve to be droned for them? No. And the irony is that his comments are pretty truthful. The black man in this country has been stripped of dignity and respect by the dark forces of institutionalized racism and in turn has received a new set of chains.

The truth is racist, blaming it on institutionalized racism doesn't help anybody. Is it really character assassination if he said what he said, and wasn't quoted out of context? This is straight from the horseman/ring leader's mouth. you can't say this was one of his fringe supporters, this is Bundy himself. Nobody says he needs to be droned, the fact people hear this and won't like him is enough suffering to him, bad PR is the last thing people like him need and want.

[phill4paul]

SMDH. Shut up and stick to the issue man.

[Origanalist]

Sigh. Major derp.

[William Tell]

Rand and Heller have both bashed his comments:
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/0...#ixzz2zoLdtMBA

[PRB]

I didn't want to post this article but since you did. Bundy just lost a huge step in the PR war. He should have kept his mouth SHUT. If he hadn't of singled out "negros" in his diatribe against government welfare being bad his case would have been solid.

sorry, it doesn't work that way. Liberals have long held that there's no such thing as a militia patriot who hates the federal government that isn't either a conspiracy theorist, racist, or somebody who knows one and tolerates one, people like this keep proving them right. People like Bundy can't and won't keep their mouths shut, because at the end of the day, it's the only reason they've not given in. They have beliefs, strong and unpopular ones, and they will fight to keep them, if they kept their opinions to themselves, they'd never get the media attention or support to begin with. They'd be the boring powerless guy who nobody cares about and will never hear about, and the federal government won't bother enforcing on, THAT'S WHY the federal government doesn't consistently enforce laws. While powerful and corrupt governments don't need good PR to succeed, it won't hurt them when their adversaries and victims create bad PR for themselves, at all!

[PRB]

SMDH. Shut up and stick to the issue man.

what issue? the whole point of this standoff is that the federal government is evil and welfare recipients destroy this country, isn't it?

[pcosmar]

Seems I have heard Prominent Black men make exactly the same argument against the Welfare State.

It has harmed Blacks far more than slavery ever did.

His statement was an argument against Welfare.

[Natural Citizen]

Sigh. Major derp.

Uh-oh...

His cause has won support from Senator Rand Paul, the libertarian Republican from Kentucky who is likely to run for president.

A spokesman for Mr. Paul, informed of Mr. Bundy’s remarks, said the senator was not available for immediate comment. Chandler Smith, a spokesman for Mr. Heller, said that the senator “completely disagrees with Mr. Bundy’s appalling and racist statements, and condemns them in the most strenuous way.”

[JK/SEA]

Cliven was born in a different time, different lifestyle. He grew up with this mindset. If using the term Negro is an issue with people then i submit those who scorn Cliven are mental midgets, and should be ignored. Tolerance is the key, coupled with an understanding of where Cliven is coming from.

[phill4paul]

Rand and Heller have both bashed his comments:
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/0...#ixzz2zoLdtMBA

Rightfully so with Rand doing outreach. F*ckin' people just do not know how to keep their mouth shut when fighting a PR war. This will now paint any militia members that support him as racists also furthering the anti-militia resentment.
I hate people. Damned if I don't.

[klamath]

Rand and Heller have both bashed his comments:
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/0...#ixzz2zoLdtMBA

He left Rand and heller no choice. Damn that pisses me off. He had a good solid case going on federal control of land in the west and he blew it.

[AuH20]

Seems I have heard Prominent Black men make exactly the same argument against the welfare state.

It has harmed Blacks far more than slavery ever did.

Yes, if you examine his argument, it's not without merit. But he's an enemy of the state who happens to be white. Yes, Bundy is a poor communicator if these comments are true, but that still doesn't mean he should be deprived of his constitutional rights by the majority. This is going to be Randy Weaver redux.

[PRB]

Seems I have heard Prominent Black men make exactly the same argument against the Welfare State.

It has harmed Blacks far more than slavery ever did.

His statement was an argument against Welfare.

Such as who? Welfare has harmed more than slavery? I'm sure if that were true or agreed upon by the black community, they'd gladly ask for the alternative!

[PRB]

Yes, if you examine his argument, it's not without merit. But he's an enemy of the state who happens to be white. Yes, Bundy is a poor communicator if these comments are true, but that still doesn't mean he should be deprived of his constitutional rights by the majority. This is going to be Randy Weaver redux.

Not just white, but also anti-liberal and anti-PC. Liberals can be against government as long as it's PC and pro-liberal values.

[AuH20]

Rightfully so with Rand doing outreach. F*ckin' people just do not know how to keep their mouth shut when fighting a PR war. This will now paint any militia members that support him as racists also furthering the anti-militia resentment.
I hate people. Damned if I don't.

I don't think we can worry about it anymore. There is an almost pathological drive by the MSM to paint 2nd amendment advocates and state rights proponents as racist no matter their background. Meanwhile, the policies they push forth at the govenrment level are the ones that are inherently racist. That's the kicker.

[William Tell]

He left Rand and heller no choice. Damn that pisses me off. He had a good solid case going on federal control of land in the west and he blew it.

I think Rand would be better of if he stopped making statements on every dang thing in the news. Granted, Bundy Ranch is an important issue.

[phill4paul]

Seems I have heard Prominent Black men make exactly the same argument against the Welfare State.

It has harmed Blacks far more than slavery ever did.

His statement was an argument against Welfare.

It was the way that he framed it. You might find a handful of people that believe negroes, blacks, afro-americans (what ever the hell they choose to label themselves these days) were better off as slaves. And this rant of his simply did not need to be issued. At all. It does nothing but harm for his cause.

[donnay]

Seems I have heard Prominent Black men make exactly the same argument against the Welfare State.

It has harmed Blacks far more than slavery ever did.

His statement was an argument against Welfare.

The thing is Welfare is slavery.

[PRB]

The thing is Welfare is slavery.

ask any welfare recipient or slave which one they prefer, your comparison is ignorant and insulting to say the least.

[AuH20]

Such as who? Welfare has harmed more than slavery? I'm sure if that were true or agreed upon by the black community, they'd gladly ask for the alternative!

Welfare is far more insidious than outright slavery in it's subtlety. Many of the imprisoned do not even know they are being held captive.

[William Tell]

Such as who? Welfare has harmed more than slavery? I'm sure if that were true or agreed upon by the black community, they'd gladly ask for the alternative!

I think Emanuel McLittle has said some things along those lines. And that's why you have probably never heard of him.

[PRB]

It was the way that he framed it. You might find a handful of people that believe negroes, blacks, afro-americans (what ever the hell they choose to label themselves these days) were better off as slaves. And this rant of his simply did not need to be issued. At all. It does nothing but harm for his cause.

better off as slaves is bull$#@!, if they were actually better off, they'd volunteer it. it's always non-blacks who claim blacks are better off as slaves. this is different than saying blacks are better off when civil rights didn't exist or when segregation was still common.

[pcosmar]

Such as who?

Walter E Williams comes to mind,, but I think Will Grigg has mentioned such as well.

[PRB]

Welfare is far more insidious than outright slavery in it's subtlety. Many of the imprisoned do not even know they are being held captive.

because being imprisoned is always unjust and never because you actually committed a crime, right? wait, what does prison have to do with welfare? are you using metaphors again?

[William Tell]

because being imprisoned is always unjust and never because you actually committed a crime, right? wait, what does prison have to do with welfare? are you using metaphors again?

Not all slaves are in prisons.