And so the character assasination of Cliven Bundy Begins!!!!!

[klamath]

It's out of context. You can tell at the very beginning. And when he said "They didn't learn to pick cotton", I took it to mean "learn to work" the way he said it, so that may be how he remembers it.

I want to see the entire talk that he gave.

Why is he talking about Negros when the issue is federal land use rules in the west. He should have NEVER opened his mouth on that no matter what the context was.

[AuH20]

Why is he talking about Negros when the issue is federal land use rules in the west. He should have NEVER opened his mouth on that no matter what the context was.

Sounds like someone baited him on a question.

[Valli6]

....I think we'll need to do come to his defense using their own rhetoric against them (with regard to racist tactics), and we'll need to put the focus on Harry Reid and his corrupt practices.

And don't forget that Harry Reid is another old Nevadan guy that uses the term "negro".

...Obama, as a black candidate, could be successful thanks, in part, to his "light-skinned" appearance and speaking patterns "with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one."
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/09/obama.reid/

In the 50"s and 60" we were taught that "negro" was the respectful term we should all use. Recall that this term was included in the latest census because some older blacks still prefer it.
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FYI
The Census Bureau decided in 2013, to drop the term.
Feb. 26, 2013:

The U.S. Census Bureau announced it is removing the term "Negro" as an option for race on its surveys and replacing it with "black" or "African-American."

The organization had used the term on its surveys and forms for more than 100 years of use, ABC News reported Monday.

The new language will be used on the Census Bureau's annual American Community Survey next year.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2013/...6441361883468/

[Deborah K]

Why is he talking about Negros when the issue is federal land use rules in the west. He should have NEVER opened his mouth on that no matter what the context was.

Good question. Where is the context for that? Was he baited?

[Deborah K]

And don't forget that Harry Reid is another old Nevadan guy that uses the term "negro".

...Obama, as a black candidate, could be successful thanks, in part, to his "light-skinned" appearance and speaking patterns "with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one."
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/09/obama.reid/

In the 50"s and 60" we were taught that "negro" was the respectful term we should all use. Recall that this term was included in the latest census because some older blacks still prefer it.

Bingo!! This is needs to be circulated everywhere that people make a fuss over Bundy's use of the word.

[CPUd]

Good question. Where is the context for that? Was he baited?

It is because they are accusing him of being a welfare rancher.

[klamath]

Sounds like someone baited him on a question.

Could be but he shouldn't have been that dumb. Seems he has been following politics quite closely and should have known who the reporters were around him and what their intentions were.

[limequat]

Bingo!! This is needs to be circulated everywhere that people make a fuss over Bundy's use of the word.

No, it's a losing fight. Don't expend any political capital on this.

[Deborah K]

It is because they are accusing him of being a welfare rancher.

But in what context did Bundy feel the need to bring up blacks? What specifically was asked of him to provoke that response?

[PaulConventionWV]

Rightfully so with Rand doing outreach. F*ckin' people just do not know how to keep their mouth shut when fighting a PR war. This will now paint any militia members that support him as racists also furthering the anti-militia resentment.
I hate people. Damned if I don't.

I hear ya. What I found equally outrageous was Mo Eitheleen (sic?) saying that Rand took too long to condemn Bundy's statements because he waited 12 hours to make a public statement. What a seriously messed up thing to even point out. Thoughts travel much faster than public statements. It makes me mad, is all.

[Deborah K]

No, it's a losing fight. Don't expend any political capital on this.

No it is not! Harry Reid uses the word too! If anything, pointing that out with evidence will help squelch this.

[klamath]

Bingo!! This is needs to be circulated everywhere that people make a fuss over Bundy's use of the word.

Unfortunately it wasn't just using the negro word, it was singling them out for welfare criticisms.

[Deborah K]

I hear ya. What I found equally outrageous was Mo Eitheleen (sic?) saying that Rand took too long to condemn Bundy's statements because he waited 12 hours to make a public statement. What a seriously messed up thing to even point out. Thoughts travel much faster than public statements. It makes me mad, is all.

They're pouncing on this as per usual. Are we going to just let them get away with painting Rand with this brush? Or are we going to fight back with logic, reason, and evidence that their own side does this $#@! all day long, everyday????

[ZENemy]

Not sure if this has been posted.

http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/ammon-bun...ut-of-context/


Ammon Bundy told WND: “I was there standing right beside my father when he made those comments. He was reaching out to the black community.”

He explained his father was commenting on the fact that while blacks were “in slavery on plantations, now because of the welfare system, they continue to be in slavery.”

“He desires the black community to have freedom,” Ammon Bundy said.

“Growing up around him, and being beside him, I never once heard him say anything negative about any race,” Ammon Bundy said. “I wish I could say that about everyone else I’ve been around. The black community, the white community, they joke back and forth. My father’s never lowered himself.”

[Deborah K]

Unfortunately it wasn't just using the negro word, it was singling them out for welfare criticisms.

He is old and he used old terminology and analogy. He did not call for their hanging, or to re-institute slavery. He is not a racist, and we're fools if we buckle under that accusation when the opposition vilifies whitey on a daily basis, even though we have a black President. It is crazy to let the opposition run with this and paint Rand with a racist brush when there's plenty of evidence out there to prove they like to play the victim and make false accusations about white people. The double-standard needs to be exposed.

[AuH20]

He is old and he used old terminology and analogy. He did not call for their hanging, or to re-institute slavery. He is not a racist, and we're fools if we buckle under that accusation when the opposition vilifies whitey on a daily basis, even though we have a black President. It is crazy to let the opposition run with this and paint Rand with a racist brush when there's plenty of evidence out there to prove they like to play the victim and make false accusations about white people. The double-standard needs to be exposed.

And after watching the video you can tell he's not a white supremacist by his calmness and lack of stress in his voice. If he's guilty of anything, it's for being too forthright and not keen to the ways of the modern world.

[CaseyJones]

Cliven Bundy Responds To Charges Of Racism: ‘The Statement Was Right’

http://therightscoop.com/breaking-cl...ent-was-right/

[AuH20]

A black man (Uncle Tom ) defends Cliven Bundy:

Let us break this down rationally shall we?

1. They abort their young children True or False? Highest rate of abortion among ethnic groups in USA.

2. they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. Translation from a 70 year old White guy = Their young men end up in jail because they never developed an entrenched work ethic. (There are lots of areas I could go here but you get what I mean) Is this a true statement? It may not be "Politically correct" vernacular, but be doesn't come off as a racist to me.

3. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? Translation: Are Blacks better off working and staying together as a family unit or are they better today, with subsidies for un-wed mothers and an uncertain future for black males in society? (That's my interpretation and I don't speak for all Black folks obviously.)

4. They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.” This is an accurate statement!

I could say so much more but I still stand with Mr Bundy and support him and his family's position against the BLM. This changes nothing in my mind.

[Deborah K]

Cliven Bundy Responds To Charges Of Racism: ‘The Statement Was Right’

http://therightscoop.com/breaking-cl...ent-was-right/

Poor old guy. He's no racist. We have an opportunity here to squelch this through social media. I wonder how many of us will take it.

[Deborah K]

A black man (Uncle Tom ) defends Cliven Bundy:

Link?

[donnay]

Cliven Bundy Responds To Charges Of Racism: ‘The Statement Was Right’

http://therightscoop.com/breaking-cl...ent-was-right/

Not the part when he allegedly said "pickin' cotton" which the NYT quoted him saying in this interview.

[cajuncocoa]

Who needs Liberals/Progressives when we have people who are (supposedly) on our side to hang him out to dry for just words that he said? For God's sake, don't get too close to him now!! Everybody, stand back and let the man die.

[William Tell]

Link?

http://www.dailypaul.com/317499/ulti...omment-3392737

[kahless]

This is really unbelievable. Even if the guy came out and said he is a racist it does not matter since it is not relevant to the issue of BLM. The Progressives need to be put in place and shouted down on the facts, not allow them to re-frame this on some irrelevant tangent on race.

[AuH20]

Who needs Liberals/Progressives when we have people who are (supposedly) on our side to hang him out to dry for just words that he said? For God's sake, don't get too close to him now!! Everybody, stand back and let the man die.

Well said. If people are worried about their reps at this stage of the game, they don't know our enemy too well. This is the easy part. All of us will be unfairly painted when the time comes.

[PaulConventionWV]

Obviously, we all have our misgivings about Bundy's statements because we know the question he is raising is highly stigmatized, and yet none of us want to actually give up our status as a racially sensitive person by looking like a guy who just stepped out of a time machine from the 1950s South.

At the heart of it, though, I think every reasonable person on this board will admit to themselves (not out loud) that what Cliven said was correct and not meant to be racist. The problem is that you'll never, EVER convince Boobus of that.

[AuH20]

[puppetmaster]

one reporter....one photog.......hmm....maybe they would not let others in....that way they control the info......???

[JK/SEA]

Well said. If people are worried about their reps at this stage of the game, they don't know our enemy too well. This is the easy part. All of us will be unfairly painted when the time comes.

former Ron Paul State Delegate here....been there, done that...i've been 'painted' so many times, i finally learned to defend myself with truth bombs.

[puppetmaster]

Not sure if this has been posted.

http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/ammon-bun...ut-of-context/


Ammon Bundy told WND: “I was there standing right beside my father when he made those comments. He was reaching out to the black community.”

He explained his father was commenting on the fact that while blacks were “in slavery on plantations, now because of the welfare system, they continue to be in slavery.”

“He desires the black community to have freedom,” Ammon Bundy said.

“Growing up around him, and being beside him, I never once heard him say anything negative about any race,” Ammon Bundy said. “I wish I could say that about everyone else I’ve been around. The black community, the white community, they joke back and forth. My father’s never lowered himself.”

good statement