And so the character assasination of Cliven Bundy Begins!!!!!

[ClydeCoulter]

This really sucks as I was just defending this guy over the past weekend to my mom, mil and other family over easter. Now I'm gonna get hit with this $#@! next we talk.

Yes, I'm not looking forward to opening a twitter window in the browser, either. I was just defending Cliven, last night, against a guy (that has many followers) whose profile says "Tea Partiers fear me".

[mz10]

Court of public opinion is worse than the controlled court rooms today. What a freakin' shame.

Court of public opinion? He said blacks should still be slaves picking cotton!

I guess this is how we operate - Rand Paul says one thing that isn't libertarian enough and we crucify him. Cliven Bundy argues for the enslavement of an entire race, and we say that "his argument has some merit."

Come on guys. Cliven Bundy is the best thing that's happened to the Feds (which is probably why they picked him to go after). Focus on defeating government tyranny through the legislative process. Don't get swept up in toxic messes like this just for the sake of being contrarian.

[ClydeCoulter]

Pete's not telling us something most of us don't already know. Neither did Bundy. But, dammit, it was an idiotic thing to say. It was poorly worded and it provides fodder for those in opposition to Bundy's cause. Anyone that doesn't understand that is not listening to what others are posting.

I do understand what you are saying. And I agree that this will be a PR nightmare. Now, let's see if any of those that are actually affected by those things that he was "musing" about will come out loudly to promote a healthy conversation, or whether they will be silent and let it go the way of a media death.

[pcosmar]

Seriously, you DON'T talk about Negroes picking cotton.

What about white folks picking cotton? It was a job..
My first one was working in a logging camp at 12,, My brother an I were the only "whites" on the crew.

There are a lot of folks in this country that know what work is. and what welfare is.

[specsaregood]

Yes, I'm not looking forward to opening a twitter window in the browser, either. I was just defending Cliven, last night, against a guy (that has many followers) whose profile says "Tea Partiers fear me".

I couldn't give a $#@! about twitter. I'm talking about family and friends, people that I got on bundy's side (including some democrats/Hillary supporters); people whose opinion I actually care about. The same people that I had to convice Ron Paul wasn't a racist. And these people that are not going to side with anything/anyone considered remotely racist. Its just the way it is. This was an unforced error.

[phill4paul]

Court of public opinion? He said blacks should still be slaves picking cotton!

I guess this is how we operate - Rand Paul says one thing that isn't libertarian enough and we crucify him. Cliven Bundy argues for the enslavement of an entire race, and we say that "his argument has some merit."

Come on guys. Cliven Bundy is the best thing that's happened to the Feds (which is probably why they picked him to go after). Focus on defeating government tyranny through the legislative process. Don't get swept up in toxic messes like this just for the sake of being contrarian.

Point of contention. He did not say they should still be slaves. He said that he wondered if they would not be better off.

[AuH20]

I do understand what you are saying. And I agree that this will be a PR nightmare. Now, let's see if any of those that are actually affected by those things that he was "musing" about will come out loudly to promote a healthy conversation, or whether they will be silent and let it go the way of a media death.

I'm numb to it. The MSM will do as they like. I think Cliven Bundy's personal views are not integral to the argument at hand, which is that the federal government willfully altered his grazing rights agreement on a fabricated technicality (the desert tortoise), thus jeopardizing his livelihood. For the non-sheeple, that's really the crux of the argument. The rest of this is just noise.

[ClydeCoulter]

I couldn't give a $#@! about twitter. I'm talking about family and friends, people that I got on bundy's side (including some democrats/Hillary supporters); people whose opinion I actually care about. The same people that I had to convice Ron Paul wasn't a racist. And these people that are not going to side with anything/anyone considered remotely racist. Its just the way it is. This was an unforced error.

I don't care about twitter, either, other than it is a vehicle for hundreds to discuss issues. Those close to me are better informed, I make a point of it everyday. But, sorry, my post was not trying to undermine your situation.

[Wadesc]

Haha David Allen Coe is a perfect fit for this situation

[phill4paul]

I do understand what you are saying. And I agree that this will be a PR nightmare. Now, let's see if any of those that are actually affected by those things that he was "musing" about will come out loudly to promote a healthy conversation, or whether they will be silent and let it go the way of a media death.

I can assure you that there will not be a healthy conversation regarding this. I can assure you the media will not be silent and that if death comes it will be spun to label it as the deaths of white supremacists and that will be the end of that.

[klamath]

I'm numb to it. The MSM will do as they like. I think Cliven Bundy's personal views are not integral to the argument at hand, which is that the federal government willfully altered his grazing rights agreement on a fabricated technicality (the desert tortoise), thus jeopardizing his livelihood. For the non-sheeple, that's really the crux of the argument. The rest of this is just noise.

And that is what he should have stuck to. Now he has actually set that whole argument back worse.

[William Tell]

Doesn't surprise me that something this stupid would come out of this guys mouth. I like to think of myself as a race realist (meaning most PC liberals would call me a racist), but what this guy said is just disgusting. He's a completely uneducated, close minded, and hateful. Him and Richard Mack are almost caricatures of the low intelligence, racist, white "freeman" types.

These are not people that I feel I have anything in common with or want as political allies.

Sheriff Mack is one of my heroes.

[AuH20]

And that is what he should have stuck to. Now he has actually set that whole argument back worse.

Being the genuine article often means that you're not PC. He's a very poor communicator.

[ClydeCoulter]

Sheriff Mack is one of my heroes.

Sheriff Mack's comments on "Put women and children on the front lines" has been a really big deal with the left-propaganda machine. That was way out of line for him to do.

[Natural Citizen]

I think that Cliven is just speaking in a way that is a product of his age. Heck, most of the older people that I know still use the term "coloreds".

[JK/SEA]

And that is what he should have stuck to. Now he has actually set that whole argument back worse.

so you're saying the Cliven statements on his racial views are tied in with the BLM attacks?...and now the BLM attacks were justified?

[William Tell]

Sheriff Mack's comments on "Put women and children on the front lines" has been a really big deal with the left-propaganda machine. That was way out of line for him to do.

I know.

[JK/SEA]

I think that Cliven is just speaking in a way that is a product of his age. Heck, most of the older people that I know still use the term "coloreds".

yep...but there appears to be a younger mindset in here with regards to Clivens statements, and the fact that real life experiences and culture up bringing in Clivens generation is not to be tolerated, and his statements are fair game in destroying him, and $#@! this BLM issue, Cliven is a monster now...

yawn.

[klamath]

so you're saying the Cliven statements on his racial views are tied in with the BLM attacks?...and now the BLM attacks were justified?

It is not what I am saying at all. The BLM wants them off the land but was losing the PR war. They coundn't gun him down without losing the PR war. Bundy just gave them that win.

[Wadesc]

A product of his times. Of course he is, thats what made this whole thing so predictable. You think anyone cares? The public wont split hairs here, and I don't think I will. But those comments were...

So...

Sooooo...

So Ill conceived that everyone with an ounce of common sense and had anything to do with him just felt their soul drop down into their bellies and out from under them to a far off place. I felt guilty holding my cards pretty tight, and now i'm glad I did.

Dude is toast.

[ravedown]

bundy did the MSN a huge favor. proved what they all suspected and now they can paint his supporters including political candidates as kooks and bigots. this will be a far bigger story than the standoff. huge win for progressives. there will be celebrating at the Reid headquarters today.

[JK/SEA]

It is not what I am saying at all. The BLM wants them off the land but was losing the PR war. They coundn't gun him down without losing the PR war. Bundy just gave them that win.

the BLM 'issue' is not over, and i doubt Clivens views will be relevant in any court battles....but the way some in here are talking, it appears no one in here will bat an eye lash if if the FEDS blow Bundy to hell...amirite?....

[klamath]

bundy did the MSN a huge favor. proved what they all suspected and now they can paint his supporters including political candidates as kooks and bigots. this will be a far bigger story than the standoff. huge win for progressives. there will be celebrating at the Reid headquarters today.

I almost wonder if NYT's asked him about blacks to get him the say "About Negros" and even address it.

[AuH20]

the BLM 'issue' is not over, and i doubt Clivens views will be relevant in any court battles....but the way some in here are talking, it appears no one in here will bat an eye lash if if the FEDS blow Bundy to hell...amirite?....

Koresh deserved it. So did Weaver. Didn't you hear?

[William Tell]

Koresh deserved it. So did Weaver. Didn't you hear?

And you and I will deserve it when they come for us.

[AuH20]

The next time you run into a misnformed sheep running their mouth. Ask them the following. What was worse? Cliven Bundy's comments or the Tuskegee experiment? It's time to stop cowering when they bring up race to suit their ends. Knowledge is power against these maniacs.

[ravedown]

now bundy is being labelled "tea party" see how this works? ha, so predictable.

[Thor]

Very poor form. True or false, (they are trying to make us all slaves to the government, race aside), from a different generation or not, calling out race was a subject that was not relevant to the issue at hand and he just alienated a huge swath of support. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

No matter how much people support[ed] his fight against the Feds, they would now have to be guilty by association if they continue to support him when he publicly stated those views. There was no reason for him to stand up at his press conference and spout that view and mix the issues. Dumb ass.

I still support his fight against the Fed, but to stand "behind him" with those views is near impossible. PR facepalm... or more like PR naplam.

Again, dumb ass.

Harry Greed has a twisted sick little smirk on his face now....

[JK/SEA]

The next time you run into a misnformed sheep runing their mouth. Ask them the following. What was worse? Cliven Bundy's comments or the Tuskegee experiment? It's time to stop cowering when they bring up race to suit their ends. Knowledge is power against these maniacs.

i was told Cliven could walk on water...

[JK/SEA]

now bundy is being labelled "tea party" see how this works? ha, so predictable.

so?