He had to inject race into an issue that had absolutely no point in the issue.Originally Posted by EBounding
War; everything in the world wrong, evil and immoral combined into one and multiplied by millions.
which one is it? is what he said true or is he injecting an irrelevant opinion? can't be both!
Either he's speaking the truth or he's actually racist, which one is it?
Pretty wild to watch the government in action as it engineers a political assassination (and possible mass murder), isn't it?
What is the end result though? Generational poverty with a few creature comforts thrown in? Lives are being systematically destroyed and no one is the wiser. The stealth aspect of welfare makes its worse than slavery in that respect. The welfare state reminds me of a electro shock canine perimeter as opposed to the physical manifestation of actual bars.
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If this is the case then a lawsuit needs to be filed TODAY and a PR firm needs to be hired to get on top of this. This reporters career needs to be ended. The NYT needs to pay damages.
Ignorance is bliss...
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
A VISITOR FROM THE PAST
by Thelen Paulk
I had a dream the other night, I didn't understand.
A figure walking through the mist, with flintlock in his hand.
His clothes were torn and dirty, as he stood there by the bed,
He took off his three-cornered hat, and speaking low, he said:
"We fought a revolution, to secure our liberty.
We wrote the Constitution, as a shield from tyranny,
For future generations, this legacy we gave,
In this, the land of the free and the home of the brave."
"The freedom we secured for you, we hoped you'd always keep.
But tyrants labored endlessly, while your parents were asleep.
Your freedom gone, your courage lost, you're no more
than a slave,
In this, the land of the free and the home of the brave."
"You buy permits to travel, and permits to own a gun,
Permits to start a business, or to build a place for one.
On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent,
Although you have no voice in choosing how the money's spent."
"Your children must attend a school that doesn't educate.
Your Christian values can't be taught, according to the state.
You read about the current news, in a regulated press.
You pay a tax you do not owe, to please the I.R.S."
"Your money is no longer made of silver or of gold.
You trade your wealth for paper, so your life can be controlled.
You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God in shame,
You've taken Satan's number, as you've traded in your name."
"You've given government control to those who do you harm,
So they can padlock churches, and steal the family farm,
And keep the country deep in debt, put men of God in jail,
Harass your fellow countrymen, while corrupted courts prevail."
"Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oath they've sworn.
Your daughters visit doctors so their children won't be born.
Your leaders ship artillery and guns to foreign shores,
And send your sons to slaughter, fighting other people's wars."
"Can you regain freedom for which we fought and died?
Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride?
Are there no more values for which you'll fight to save?
Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave?"
"Sons of the Republic, arise and take a stand!
Defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the Land!
Preserve our great republic and each God-given right,
And pray to God to keep the torch of freedom burning bright!"
As I awoke he vanished, in the mist from which he came.
His words were true, we are not free. We have ourselves to blame.
For even now as tyrants trample each God-given right,
We only watch and tremble, too afraid to stand and fight.
If he stood by your bedside, in a dream while you're asleep,
And wondered what remains of our rights he fought to keep,
What would be your answer, if he called out from the grave?
Is this still the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave?
Only in 'Murica would slaves actively rebel to keep their 'chains' AKA known as benefits. That is the beauty of the system they have created. Huxley touched on this bizarre phenomenon.
Ignorance is bliss...
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The account I read, suggest there was *one* reporter on the scene of this conference. If that one reporter was NYT, we know goddamn well this whole thing was engineered.
Edit: according to the NYT "story" this happened on Saturday. And by the reporter's account, he was the only reporter there.
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Non-violence is the creed of those that maintain a monopoly on force.
Again, I would like to see the toob of the words coming out of his mouth... Not some printed ink by a NYT reporter.
If he DID say these things, then I stand by my original comments about this issue.
If this is media manipulation (but we know that never happens), then we need to double down.
I have seen through it all... the system is against us. ALL OF IT.
Reporter: Adam Nagourney
Non-violence is the creed of those that maintain a monopoly on force.
Well somebody better come up with video showing Bundy never went on about Negros. If they can do that it would be a major PR Coup that would turn badly against the feds.
War; everything in the world wrong, evil and immoral combined into one and multiplied by millions.
Clearly this was an inside job from the beginning: Bundy was in on it with Reid and it was all a setup to demonize militia and small govt supporters.
Notice that the video, only part I could find, starts late ("one more thing I could tell ya about...", What did he say before that and after?)
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"nothing evil grows in alcohol" ~ @presence
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Beck follows Nagourney's lead. This looks like a setup.
FWIW
Let's not forget that Harry Reid is the man who praised Obama for not having any "Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one."
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/09/obama.reid/
Apparently the term "negroe" is still in use by older people of Nevada.
So Bundy is claiming this is slander? Waiting to hear more....
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Not if he is killed.
For those that don't want to give NYT traffic:
BUNKERVILLE, Nev. — Cliven Bundy stood by the Virgin River up the road from the armed checkpoint at the driveway of his ranch, signing autographs and posing for pictures. For 55 minutes, Mr. Bundy held forth to a clutch of supporters about his views on the troubled state of America — the overreaching federal government, the harassment of Western ranchers, the societal upheaval caused by abortion, even musing about whether slavery was so bad.
Most of all, Mr. Bundy, 67, who was wearing a broad-brimmed white cowboy hat against the hot afternoon sun, recounted the success of “we the people” — gesturing to the 50 supporters, some armed with handguns and rifles, standing in a semicircle before him — at chasing away Bureau of Land Management rangers who, acting on a court order, tried to confiscate 500 cattle owned by Mr. Bundy, who has been illegally grazing his herd on public land since 1993.
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“They don’t have the guts enough to try to start that again for a few years,” Mr. Bundy said in an interview.
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Protesters claiming government overreach in Nevada paused to observe the national anthem. Credit Jason Bean/Las Vegas Review-Journal, via Associated Press
Mr. Bundy’s standoff with federal rangers — propelled into the national spotlight in part by steady coverage by Fox News — has highlighted sharp divisions over the power of the federal government and the rights of landowners in places like this desert stretch of Nevada, where resentment of Washington and its sprawling ownership of Western land has long run deep.
His cause has won support from Senator Rand Paul, the libertarian Republican from Kentucky who is likely to run for president. Senator Dean Heller, a Nevada Republican, referred to Mr. Bundy’s supporters as “patriots.” Senator Harry Reid, the Nevada Democrat who is the Senate majority leader and has a long history of pushing for protection of public lands, denounced the rancher’s supporters as “domestic terrorists.”
The dispute spilled over this week into Texas, where Greg Abbott, the attorney general and a Republican running for governor, challenged the Bureau of Land Management on reports that it was looking to claim thousands of acres along the Red River.
For now, Mr. Bundy appears to have won, forcing the government to back down after its rangers were met with armed Bundy supporters this month.
“The gather is now over,” said Craig Leff, a deputy assistant director with the Bureau of Land Management. “Our focus is pursuing this matter administratively and judicially.”
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His sympathizers include dozens of militia members, many carrying weapons. Credit Jim Urquhart/Reuters
But if the federal government has moved on, Mr. Bundy — a father of 14 and a registered Republican — has not.
He said he would continue holding a daily news conference; on Saturday, it drew one reporter and one photographer, so Mr. Bundy used the time to officiate at what was in effect a town meeting with supporters, discussing, in a long, loping discourse, the prevalence of abortion, the abuses of welfare and his views on race.
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Mr. Bundy flies the U.S. flag and his friends acknowledge the national anthem but refuse to pay for the use of public lands. He is a welfare cheat, or a 'welfare rancher.'
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“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, “and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch — they didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do.
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“And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”
A spokesman for Mr. Paul, informed of Mr. Bundy’s remarks, said the senator was not available for immediate comment. Chandler Smith, a spokesman for Mr. Heller, said that the senator “completely disagrees with Mr. Bundy’s appalling and racist statements, and condemns them in the most strenuous way.” A spokeswoman for Mr. Abbott, Laura Bean, said that the letter he wrote “was regarding a dispute in Texas and is in no way related to the dispute in Nevada.”
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The crowds may be beginning to dwindle, but for much of the past two weeks, here at Mr. Bundy’s ranch in Bunkerville, 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas, the rancher has been a celebrity, drawing hundreds of supporters, including dozens of militia members, many carrying sidearms, and members of Oath Keepers, a militia group, who have embraced him as a symbol of their anger and a bulwark against federal abuse.
He was honored at a celebratory party on Friday night attended by 1,500 people, who wore “domestic terrorist” name tags, listened to cowboy poetry and ate hamburgers, hot dogs and Bundy beef. “This is the beginning of taking America back,” said Shawna Cox, who had come from Kanab, Utah, to support him.
Mr. Bundy, whose family has grazed cattle here since they homesteaded in the 1870s, owes the government more than $1 million in grazing fees. He stopped paying after the bureau ordered him to restrict the periods when his herd roamed the 600,000-acre Gold Butte area as part of an effort to protect the endangered desert tortoise.
Mr. Bundy’s case happened to heat up around the time that Mr. Paul, building the foundation for a presidential campaign, struck a chord with some members of the Republican Party with warnings about governmental overreach. Mr. Paul’s latest book is titled “Government Bullies: How Everyday Americans Are Being Harassed, Abused and Imprisoned by the Feds.” In the Bundy standoff, Mr. Paul has criticized the federal government as overreaching with its use of regulations, but cautioned against any violence or lawbreaking.
Rob Mrowka, a senior scientist with the Center for Biological Diversity, which has been battling to get Mr. Bundy to move his cattle in deference to the tortoises, said the standoff had come to symbolize divisions across the country about the role of government, particularly here in the West.
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Sympathizers have embraced Mr. Bundy as a symbol of their anger and a bulwark against federal abuse. Credit Ronda Churchill for The New York Times
“It’s symbolic of the polarization and divide within the country that we saw starting with the Obama election,” he said. “This is merely a surrogate for bigger issue and topic in America today — it’s the whole idea of federalism versus states.”
The federal government owns 85 percent of the land in Nevada, a statistic repeatedly noted by Mr. Bundy’s supporters as they denounced the actions of the government. Six cattle, including two that had Bundy brands, died during the attempt to collect the animals.
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“Western states don’t have the control over their land that Eastern states have over their land,” said Ivan Jones, 60, a brick mason who came here from Northern California. “Someone like the Bundys, they have been here for generations, before the B.L.M. was ever created, using this land to graze their animals. And the B.L.M. comes in and changes the rule. A small little rancher trying to make a living and they come in like big bullies.”
Toby Purvis, 51, an electrician who came here from Farmington, N.M., called the bureau operation “a land grab.”
“This is happening all over the country right now,” he said.
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The standoff over cattle grazing has highlighted divisions over Washington and its sprawling ownership of Western land. Credit John Locher/Las Vegas Review-Journal, via Associated Press
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Mr. Bundy’s case is clearly divisive. About 16,000 ranchers across the country pay relatively modest fees for their herds to use public land. The Nevada Cattlemen’s Association, while expressing sympathy with some of Mr. Bundy’s complaints, pointedly did not endorse his methods.
“This should not be confused with civil disobedience,” Mr. Mrowka said. “This is outright anarchy going on here.”
Mr. Bundy disputes the legitimacy of both the bureau and the courts that have ruled against him. “I’ll be damned if I’m going to honor a federal court that has no jurisdiction or authority or arresting power over we the people,” he said.
Still, as Mr. Bundy surveyed the dusty landscape last weekend, the only sign of law enforcement was Brad Rogers, the sheriff of Elkhart County, Ind., who had flown 1,800 miles to stand in solidarity with the embattled rancher.
With the rangers gone, “I don’t feel any threat — that’s a big change,” Mr. Bundy said. At the same time, he said he saw no reason for his supporters to leave. “As long as we are getting together as a group and as long as we feel good about being here, we are going to be here,” he said.
One of Mr. Bundy’s sons, Ammon, 38, a car fleet manager from Phoenix, said his father had taught the federal government a lesson. “We ran them out of here,” he said, sitting in a trailer set up near one of the protesters’ camp sites. “We were serious. We weren’t playing around.”
But Alan O’Neill, who had a similar struggle with Mr. Bundy when he was superintendent of the Lake Mead National Recreation Area, expressed concern that the government had backed down.
“He calls himself a patriot, and says he loves America,” Mr. O’Neill said. “And yet he says he won’t follow any federal laws. You just can’t let this go by, or everybody is going to be like, ‘If Bundy can break the law, why can’t I?’ ”
Non-violence is the creed of those that maintain a monopoly on force.
After reading that piece about infiltration of the militia out there, I'm thinkin this has to be a concerted effort. Two separate stories in the same day meant to cause suspicion of the man himself, and of each other out there protecting him? I'm not thinking coincidence.
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This is the mindset trying to take hold on RPF.
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On Gay New York Times Writer Adam Nagourney Coming to LA as Bureau Chief
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Why is it that Farrakhan, Sharpton, and their ilk can get away with saying the most vile $#@! about white people and one old man who really didn't say anything "racist" gets lambasted??? He used old terms because he is old. He didn't call for slavery to be re-instituted, he didn't call for blacks to be hung. WTF.
I could post tube after tube after tube of black victim peddlers all damned day, vilifying whitey, even though there is a black in the Oval office.
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"I'll believe in good cops when they start turning bad cops in."
So now I'm hearing that it's not direct attribution? It's funny that the NYT ignored this story as it was happening.
So he said it, and now he is doubling down saying he didn't say "picking cotton". Well I heard it pretty plainly there.
War; everything in the world wrong, evil and immoral combined into one and multiplied by millions.
It's out of context. You can tell at the very beginning. And when he said "They didn't learn to pick cotton", I took it to mean "learn to work" the way he said it, so that may be how he remembers it.
I want to see the entire talk that he gave.
"When a portion of wealth is transferred from the person who owns it—without his consent and without compensation, and whether by force or by fraud—to anyone who does not own it, then I say that property is violated; that an act of plunder is committed." - Bastiat : The Law
"nothing evil grows in alcohol" ~ @presence
"I mean can you imagine what it would be like if firemen acted like police officers? They would only go into a burning house only if there's a 100% chance they won't get any burns. I mean, you've got to fully protect thy self first." ~ juleswin
Are you on welfare? Can you ask "any" recipient and get back to us? As of now, your making $#@! up and passing it off as fact.
"One thing my years in Washington taught me is that most politicians are followers, not leaders. Therefore we should not waste time and resources trying to educate politicians. Politicians will not support individual liberty and limited government unless and until they are forced to do so by the people," says Ron Paul."
It probably isn't. And everything should be considered and prepared for. If we want to aid in effecting a good outcome for this situation, I think we'll need to do come to his defense using their own rhetoric against them (with regard to racist tactics), and we'll need to put the focus on Harry Reid and his corrupt practices.
Diversity finds unity in the message of freedom.
Dilige et quod vis fac. ~ Saint Augustine
"I'll believe in good cops when they start turning bad cops in."
There were a million better ways to say exactly what he said with different words. For one, Negro now carries almost as much stigma as the other n word. Secondly, just... what a disaster of a comment. They never learned to pick cotton? Yeah, he definitely should have kept his mouth shut, but something tells me this was a losing game anyway. Come what may, it doesn't change the real issue here.
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I think the whole liberty movement needs a PR firm
He's a Mormon rancher who lives in a remote area. I don't expect him to be a wordsmith. With that said, he should have hired a PR guy as soon as the BLM left.
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