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Thread: Home Security System Goes Off, Cops Arrive, No Dogs Shot and Nothing Happens!

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    Home Security System Goes Off, Cops Arrive, No Dogs Shot and Nothing Happens!

    This is a personal incidet so no links to stories.

    Last night in the middle of the night, my neighbors home security system went off. My neighbor called me from out of town and wanted me to check things out, and said that the Cops were on their way. She has some potential problem dogs. I got there just as the Cops showed up and identified myself as only being her neighbor, explained quickly about her dogs being potentially aggressive but I could handle them. The dogs were locked inside the house, and they checked around to make sure the outside was secure. They wanted to know what my qualifications were to handle her dogs, as I showed up without any leashes. I simply explained "Dog Whisperer" and I did not have any need for leashes. I address the dogs mind, so I did not need a leash to control just the dogs body while leaving potential for aggression. They seemed to be skeptical of my ability.

    I followed around them around to the back of the house. Her back door had been opened enough to trigger the alarm, but was not fully open to allow the dogs out. They advised that they wanted to check inside the premesis to make sure she was not being robbed. I advised that the barking I heard sounded like it was only directed at all of us and there was no vocal indication that any of the dogs had been injured. If there was a robber inside, they would have sounded much different, or there would have been no barking at all. This put the Officer into a much calmer state of mind. I also pointed out that since my neighbor was not home, it could have been the dogs trying to get out to go to the bathroom, or severe wind that triggered the alarm. This reinforced the idea that this was most likely a false alarm, which I believed to be an appropriate reaction to a false alarm. Although the weather being a factor, just stating the obvious showed them that I did not have any reason to become aggressive in the situation. This also helped to keep the Officers calm.

    It was not my house so I did not want to go in without permission from either my neighbor, or the Cops. They did not want to allow me to be the first into her home due to the possibility of someone being inside. We calmly decided that the safest way to handle the situation would be to allow me to secure the dogs first and remove them from the equation, but not to enter. We could see the utility room was secure without opening the door. They backed off, I grabbed the two potential problem dogs, then got out of their way. There were three Officers there. One stayed outside, and the other two went inside. I showed the one outside how to handle dogs, while the dogs were trying to be aggressive toward the Officer. I corrected the dogs, and they became submissive. I explained that the submission is not what they want because the dogs were still in a very excited state and did not reward the dogs submissive behavior. So I held the dogs down calmly until they relaxed, then rewarded the dogs for relaxing, not submitting. It took an extra 15 seconds of effort. Once the Officer understood the CALM submissive state, I explained that the dogs were safe and secure, and released them. The two dogs are the types that would fear-bite anyone. I advised dont pet them and only brief eye contact, but most importantly, express calmness. The Officer agreed and I released the two fear biters. One went over to relieve themselves, the other approached the Officer in a calm manner, sniffed their leg, then promptly sat down on their foot. Let it smell your hand, then you can pet it. The Officer did, and was able to pet one of the fear biters. The other dog came over, the process pretty much repeated, and the Officer quickly earned the trust of both fear biters. The Officer that stayed outside was, by their own admission, not great with dogs, and said that there needs to be "more people like me" that are "just good with dogs". I dont think it takes that much to learn to speak dog. Just reward calmness instead of expecting submission as the calmness vs excited is where most dog incidents occur.

    The other two Cops that were inside just went into the house, announced themselves as Sheriffs Office, saw that nothing was out of place, damaged, stolen, or any other indication that a burglary had taken place. It was a bit messy and some dog poop on the foor (from dogs being locked inside), but nothing looked out of the ordinary. They came back outside, we all talked with the owner on the phone, the dogs were put back inside, and we all went on our merry ways after some brief chatting. They didnt even bother to ask me for an ID, and just filed a report of "weather triggering false alarm".

    This is probably the most boring Cop Story Ive ever posted here, but really, this is the way that most of the Cop Stories should end up, not in Dog Shootings, not in 911 caller assaulted, not in bystander injured, but a total non incident for an actual non incident. The moral of the story is that a bit of calm cooperation on both sides can be far more effective than aggressive submission.
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    Small town or big city?

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    Um, big city. The area of town I live in is also known as "Felon Flats", just to give an indication of perceptions, including those of Cops, towards this area in general. I havent heard of any dog shootings in this sub-area of my city, which is a plus.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.

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    From what I know about big cities both you and the dogs are lucky!

    I'm glad you were able to protect them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    From what I know about big cities both you and the dogs are lucky!

    I'm glad you were able to protect them.
    Yes he did a wonderful job of protecting the fine officers from themselves otherwise they may have had to shoot the dogs.
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    Damian "Cop Wisperer"
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    Do you think it's a coincidence that the most cherished standard of the Ron Paul campaign was a sign highlighting the word "love" inside the word "revolution"? A revolution not based on love is a revolution doomed to failure. So, at the risk of sounding corny, I just wanted to let you know that, wherever you stand on any of these hot-button issues, and even if we might have exchanged bitter words or harsh sentiments in the past, I love each and every one of you - no exceptions!

    "When goods do not cross borders, soldiers will." Frederic Bastiat

    Peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrsat_98 View Post
    Yes he did a wonderful job of protecting the fine officers from themselves otherwise they may have had to shoot the dogs.
    Thanks.

    A lot of people would miss that I was truly the one in control of the situation. I dont bother to go after being Dominant or Submissive just as I do with dogs, as the Dog Whisperer would put it. I go after an Energy Level. Ive never encountered resistance when I express that what I expect is a state of Calmness from either people or dogs.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    Thanks.

    A lot of people would miss that I was truly the one in control of the situation. I dont bother to go after being Dominant or Submissive just as I do with dogs, as the Dog Whisperer would put it. I go after an Energy Level. Ive never encountered resistance when I express that what I expect is a state of Calmness from either people or dogs.
    I had a similar experience. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...-not-shoot-dog
    Quote Originally Posted by BuddyRey View Post
    Do you think it's a coincidence that the most cherished standard of the Ron Paul campaign was a sign highlighting the word "love" inside the word "revolution"? A revolution not based on love is a revolution doomed to failure. So, at the risk of sounding corny, I just wanted to let you know that, wherever you stand on any of these hot-button issues, and even if we might have exchanged bitter words or harsh sentiments in the past, I love each and every one of you - no exceptions!

    "When goods do not cross borders, soldiers will." Frederic Bastiat

    Peace.



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    Good story. The negative ones always get the attention, while the positive ones get swept away...

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndianaPolitico View Post
    Good story. The negative ones always get the attention, while the positive ones get swept away...
    This may sound strange coming from me, but I've said all along that most encounters with cops will turn out just like this, or some variation of this.

    It's not a question of "sweeping positive ones away".

    It's calling attention to the ramifications if an encounter with cops goes sideways, which they do, at an alarming frequency.

    Imagine a car, that, oh, 9 times out 10 starts right up and goes down the road and does everything it's supposed to do, perfectly.

    But every tenth time, it blows up and incinerates everybody in it.

    Would anybody care that the nine previous times, everything worked right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    Um, big city. The area of town I live in is also known as "Felon Flats", just to give an indication of perceptions, including those of Cops, towards this area in general. I havent heard of any dog shootings in this sub-area of my city, which is a plus.
    At least in my neck of the woods, the big city cops are the least obnoxious.

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    Wow, glad you're not dead. Same goes for the pups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    This may sound strange coming from me, but I've said all along that most encounters with cops will turn out just like this, or some variation of this.

    It's not a question of "sweeping positive ones away".

    It's calling attention to the ramifications if an encounter with cops goes sideways, which they do, at an alarming frequency.

    Imagine a car, that, oh, 9 times out 10 starts right up and goes down the road and does everything it's supposed to do, perfectly.

    But every tenth time, it blows up and incinerates everybody in it.

    Would anybody care that the nine previous times, everything worked right?
    If there is no accountability for authority, 9 out of 10 times will just become 4 out of 5, then 1 out of 2, and eventually reach a 100% failure rate.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.



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