Harry Reid Calls Cliven Bundy Supporters “Domestic Terrorists,” Fed Task Force Being Formed

[HOLLYWOOD]

Propaganda continues... from Las Vegas Sun news. This is a oned sided, deflection, protection article

Politics: Facts that disprove conspiracy theory about Harry Reid, Cliven Bundy and solar power

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2014...vefyreComments

BTW, doing a vetting check on this reporter... Progressive born and raised in Chicago, followed by Marxist Indoctrination at Harvard...

By Karoun Demirjian (contact)

Thursday, April 17, 2014 | 2 a.m.
Washington —
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Laughlin and Bullhead City, Ariz., as seen in 2011.
Future Uncertain in Bundy-BLM Dispute


The conspiracy theory about Sen. Harry Reid started soon after the Cliven Bundy story went national.

The theory: The Senate majority leader masterminded the takeover of Bundy’s cattle in Gold Butte to clear land for a solar facility that Chinese company ENN hoped to build in Southern Nevada. That thought appears to have originated at the blog Godfather Politics and was picked up by writers in more mainstream conservative media outlets, such as NewsMax and the Washington Times. The story also suggested that Reid had his former aide, Neil Kornze, do his dirty work as the week-old Bureau of Land Management director.

Reid’s spokeswoman, Kristen Orthman, said any connection between Bundy and the solar project is “bogus.” She added: “People find anything to label him as, or to connect things to that aren’t connectable. … If it wasn’t this, they would be talking about something else.”
It’s true that Reid had been working on a solar project in Nevada. But based on the facts, the rest of the theory doesn’t pass the smell test. Here’s why:

Geography: Bundy’s ranch is in Bunkerville, about 75 miles northeast of Las Vegas. The land that Reid identified for the solar plant was about 90 miles south of Las Vegas in Laughlin. That puts the Bundy ranch and the solar plant site about a three-hour drive apart. They’re simply not in the same part of the state.

Another project comes close. But not that close: Bundy’s home in the Mojave desert is closer to the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone, a corridor that has been slated for renewable energy development. The BLM is planning a mitigation strategy that may stretch toward the area where Bundy has been grazing his cows. But even there, the maps don’t match up closely enough to suggest that Bundy’s specific grazing land was the intended site of a solar facility. Also, the Chinese company ENN had not been planning a facility in the Dry Lake area.

Where Reid’s agenda and Bundy’s cattle grazing do overlap: Bundy’s cattle have been grazing on land that Reid and Rep. Steven Horsford, D-Nev., have targeted for future wilderness protections. Both Reid and Horsford have filed legislation to turn the Gold Butte area into a national conservation area. But this is entirely separate from the solar project. A conservation status discourages development, and it’s near impossible to greenlight a solar project on conservation land.

The start of the Chinese solar project: Reid went to China in 2011 to lock down the deal. The ENN Mojave Energy project was supposed to help yank Southern Nevada’s flailing economy out of the recession and into the foreground of renewable energy development in America. Clark County fast-tracked the required reviews and approvals. But construction never started.

Where it got stuck: In June 2013, ENN said it was dumping the project because the “market will not support a project of this scale and nature at this time.” So right now, there is no massive Chinese-backed solar project in the works and certainly not one that requires the removal of Bundy’s cows.
The timelines don’t line up: Bundy’s battle with the BLM started in 1993 when he stopped paying his grazing fees, 18 years before anyone talked about putting Chinese money into the Nevada desert for renewable energy. Talk about the Chinese solar project started in 2011 and ended in 2013. And the Bundy-BLM confrontation came this month, long after the solar project died.

More on Kornze: It’s not exactly true that this was the first move of Reid’s former aide as BLM director. The roundup started April 5, and Kornze wasn’t confirmed by the Senate as BLM director until April 8.

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[AuH20]

Propaganda continues... from Las Vegas Sun news. This is a oned sided, deflection, protection article

Politics: Facts that disprove conspiracy theory about Harry Reid, Cliven Bundy and solar power

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2014...vefyreComments

BTW, doing a vetting check on this reporter... Progressive born and raised in Chicago, followed by Marxist Indoctrination at Harvard...

Let her debunk this:

[phill4paul]

[Deborah K]

Man, Harry Reid has been a wheeler and dealer to profiteering for decades, here's a story I dug up. This is how Politician "Lawyers" game the system ans decieve those trying to follow their scams.



http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_4476995

I hope you sent that to Drudge.

[Pericles]

See ya in Camp FEMA...

With very little work, a prison camp can be turned into a supply base.

[Deborah K]

I honestly think, if we banded together and made a concerted effort to disseminate information in all the right places, we could turn the tide on Harry Reid. We could turn public opinion against him. It's a tactic that's used against our side constantly. It's time to turn the tables, and what better person to do it to.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Latest theatrics...

Heller calls for BLM hearings during appearance with Reid



LAS VEGAS (KSNV MyNews3.com) — Sen. Dean Heller, R-Nev., called for congressional hearings into the BLM’s stand-off with cattle rancher Cliven Bundy.

Heller requested the hearings during a joint appearance today with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., on the KSNV-TV News 3 program: “What’s Your Point?”

Nevada’s junior senator noted that he wants to determine “who drove” BLM policy on the tense standoff that ended Saturday.

Heller said that he took issue with the BLM “coming in with a paramilitary army. It made a lot of people very uncomfortable.”

“It’s obvious,” Reid noted, “the federal government can’t just walk away from this.”

Speaking Thursday, Reid equated Bundy and his supporters to “domestic terrorists.”

“Those people, who hold themselves out to be patriots are not,” Reid said at the earlier event. “If there ever were an example of this,” Reid noted, “these are the guys.”

The Reid and Heller appearance was billed as the first joint TV appearance by the state’s two U.S. senators. Hosts Jeff Gillan and Amy Tarkanian questioned the men about the potential extension of long-term unemployment benefits – both men support them despite opposition from House Republicans. The two are also opposed to the legalization of most forms of Internet gambling, arguing that they would hurt traditional Nevada casinos.

“Dean and I can spend three days on the things we disagree on,” Reid said, “but we also agree on a lot of stuff.”

They were clearly split, however, on the issue of Bundy’s push to continue to graze his cattle on BLM land despite court orders going back to the 1990s, forbidding him to do so while requiring him to pay grazing fees owed the federal government.

“What Sen. Reid called ‘domestic terrorists,’ I called ‘patriots,’ ” said Heller, noting that he had previously introduced legislation that would see Nevadans assume a larger percentage of the state’s land. The federal government owns nearly 87 percent of the state.

[phill4paul]

Has Heller called Eric Holder and James Comey and asked what they and Reid discussed?

[Occam's Banana]

Latest theatrics...

[B]oth men support [extension of long-term unemployment benefits] despite opposition from House Republicans. The two are also opposed to the legalization of most forms of Internet gambling, arguing that they would hurt traditional Nevada casinos.

“[Sen. Dean Heller, R-Nev.] and I can spend three days on the things we disagree on,” Reid said, “but we also agree on a lot of stuff.”

Isn't it wonderful how "agreeable" everyone - Republican or Democrat - can be when they don't let pesky things like the Constitution get in the way?

[Henry Rogue]

Isn't it wonderful how "agreeable" everyone - Republican or Democrat - can be when they don't let pesky things like the Constitution get in the way?

I noticed that too. I guess principles only go so far when it comes to being reelected. The differences aren't all that striking.

[NoOneButPaul]

This is the first time in my life i've had respect for Fox News.

At least they're covering this. Them giving the Bundy's enough airtime and good exposure makes it less likely the government will murder them.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

This is the first time in my life i've had respect for Fox News.

At least they're covering this. Them giving the Bundy's enough airtime and good exposure makes it less likely the government will murder them.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but never forget that much of this is driven by financial incentive. This story is all over the internet, where it gets decent airplay. Traditional news networks cover this because of competition.

Again, I don't disagree with you. Fox is more likely to cover this than some channel with an urban dweller's mentality. And that part is, at least, a good thing.

[libertygrl]

[phill4paul]

Bundy supporters "own" title of "domestic terrorists."

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/ne...errorist-label

BUNKERVILLE — Wearing a cowboy hat and with a copy of the U.S. Constitution poking from his shirt pocket, controversial rancher Cliven Bundy on Friday asked dozens of supporters of his cattle-grazing feud with federal land managers what they thought of U.S. Sen. Harry Reid calling them “domestic terrorists.”

“Are you guys domestic terrorists?” he asked the crowd gathered around a stage near the north bank of the Virgin River.

The supporters, many wearing name tags that said “domestic terrorist,” erupted with cheers and applause.

“That’s what I thought. I thought Harry was right,” said the 67-year-old Bundy, who was accompanied by armed escorts.

He made the statement before a “Patriot Party” that started at 5 p.m. with music by Madison Rising and Ron Keel, who sang with Black Sabbath briefly in 1984. A party atmosphere among a few hundred people grew as more supporters trickled in around 5 p.m. Some people were cooling off in the river while dozens of armed militia members wearing camouflaged fatigues patrolled in and around the area.

Bundy was reacting to Reid’s comments Thursday in Las Vegas describing him as a law-breaker for not paying grazing fees and an estimated $1 million he owes the Bureau of Land Management for 20 years of non-compliance with public lands grazing privileges and defiance of court orders to remove up to 900 head of his desert cattle that roamed the Gold Butte area.

BLM agents and contractors on horseback and helicopters rounded up more than 300 of the herd but released them back to Bundy and his backers after an armed standoff on April 12. Because his militia supporters had rifles and assault weapons pointed to where federal officers guarded a corral holding the cattle, Reid on Thursday said a task force would be assigned to deal with what he described as domestic terrorists.

The Bundy camp had asked that the federal law enforcers remove their guns and secure them in a truck while the cattle were released.

At Friday’s news conference, Bundy said, “We’re not asking the county sheriff to disarm the citizens of the United States. We’re asking the United States to take the government-issued guns away from these people, and when they have uniforms on they shouldn’t be packing a gun.”

Asked what he’d do if he was served with a warrant for violating federal laws, Bundy answered, “What I said is, I’d yield to the sheriff but I wouldn’t yield to the feds.”

If the sheriff served the warrant he said he’d surrender. “Well, I’d have to.”

He said he has a right to graze his cattle on public land, not just a privilege.

“They’re rights. And I own those rights,” he said.

Bundy told his supporters that they were the heroes in the standoff, not him.

“You are the heroes. You people are the ones who did it,” Bundy told them.

When a few of the supporters were asked what they thought of Reid calling them “domestic terrorists,” they welcomed the label.

“Him and his organization are the terrorists of this country,” John Vasilchin, 85, of Las Vegas, said about Reid.

“They’ve been destroying this country for the last eight years and previously back to (President Bill) Clinton,” Vasilchin said.

Mike Vanderboegh said he will unveil the “2014 incitement to civil war trophy” to Reid on Saturday at the protest area.

“Harry Reid said this ain’t over. You better believe this ain’t over,” said Vanderboegh, a self-described “Second Amendment activist” from Alabama.

Sitting inside his camper off a road in view of the Virgin River, Thomas Firth offered his perspective on Reid’s domestic terrorist description.

“That would be typical of Senator Harry Reid,” said Firth, 64, of Anza, Calif. “Seems like it was a few years ago when we all got lumped either as a Christian, or a veteran or ‘you own a gun.’ You got lumped into that.

“If that’s the moniker they want to put on this, well so be it. I take a little bit different look at it. I think we are people who are actually standing up for our rights,” said Firth, a former cattle rancher.”

Star Hill, 45, made the short drive to the the rally from Logandale.

“For him to stoop to name-calling is probably pretty appropriate considering what people think of him,” she said about Reid.

She said she doesn’t consider herself a terrorist. Instead, “I consider myself somebody who came out to the river for a picnic.”

This is a developing story. Check back for updates.

Review-Journal writer Ben Botkin contributed to this report. Contact Keith Rogers at krogers@reviewjournal.com or 702-383-0308. Find him on Twitter: @KeithRogers2.

[A Son of Liberty]

There are a few progs commenting on Breitbart that the Branch Davidians and the Weavers both deserved to die for their socially odd views. We've entered the "no more talking" stage. They want us dead.

A discussion can only be fruitful when the interlocutors agree upon certain basic principles. Two people cannot expect a conversation to lead to a mutually acceptable resolution when they do not agree at a foundational level. It's like two people trying to debate which is the healthier fruit - the apple or the anvil.

They start from the premise that involuntary (forced) association is just, while we recognize that such an order violates the objective, observable fact of individual human sovereignty (tho' we may disagree upon the implications). Their position is de facto the violent position. They refuse to accept that we have free will. Thus they must force us to "get in line".

Everyone must understand at a fundamental level that all these trappings of formality - "representation", "dialogue", etc. - are but machinations meant to subvert our individual sovereignty. In other words, quite frankly, there never really was a "talking" stage. The moment they sought to talk with us about compromise was the moment we entered the "no more talking" stage.

[A Son of Liberty]

This is good. Resistance, if it comes, does not come all at once. It usually starts with a small act of defiance by a small minority of the people. The tyrants respond to this defiance with the only means they know - more tyranny. This converts more people to the resistance and new acts of defiance crop up. This stimulates more tyranny. Etc. It seems to be almost an inevitable cascade once it gets going. We appear to be at the threshold of getting it going. The Fedcoats' next move is critical. There are literally millions of well-armed American who hate the government, but they need to be pushed over the line. A really heavy-handed move by the Fedcoats now could see the mobilization of a formidable citizen army VERY quickly. We may live to hear another shot heard round the world.

Nothing is going to "happen" en masse until enough people have nothing left to lose.

[Deborah K]

Bundy supporters "own" title of "domestic terrorists."

"......He made the statement before a “Patriot Party” that started at 5 p.m. with music by Madison Rising and Ron Keel, who sang with Black Sabbath briefly in 1984."

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/ne...errorist-label

Ron Keel is one of us. He played at P.A.U.L. Festival. A really nice person!

[liberalnurse]

Nothing is going to "happen" en masse until enough people have nothing left to lose.

"Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose."

[euphemia]

I thought terrorists hurt people. Who did the Bundy supporters injure? It looked as if the supporters were the only ones injured. And the cows. Don't forget about the cows.

Reid is an idiot. He is applying the worst label he knows because it will resonate with some people. Terrorists have a goal to hurt or kill people. Libertarians only want to live and let live.

[2young2vote]

I thought terrorists hurt people. Who did the Bundy supporters injure? It looked as if the supporters were the only ones injured. And the cows. Don't forget about the cows.

Reid is an idiot. He is applying the worst label he knows because it will resonate with some people. Terrorists have a goal to hurt or kill people. Libertarians only want to live and let live.

But he's letting his cows eat the grass and that is supposedly stealing from the people. I guess that means you are "hurting" the people in Harry Reid's mind.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Yeah, Karoun Demirjian, Washington Correspondent aka 'propagandist'. I wish callers would do a check/vetting on these media mouthpieces that intentionally deceive the public with intentionally presenting 1/2 the info, only what they want you to hear.

http://karoun.org/

About Karoun & Contact Info

photo courtesy Maja Hitij

Karoun Demirjian writes, photographs and films as the Washington correspondent for the Las Vegas Sun, where she has covered the White House, the federal courts, and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and the Nevada congressional delegation through two election cycles and many national debates about the economy, energy, immigration, housing and defense. Her articles won the Washington Press Club Foundation’s David Lynch memorial award for best regional coverage of Congress in 2012, and her video packages for key stories have appeared on the paper’s prize-winning website.
Karoun came to the Sun in the fall of 2010 after an overseas stint working as a stringer for the Associated Press in Israel, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. She previously covered Capitol Hill for Congressional Quarterly and the Chicago Tribune, and also worked at the Tribune as a Chicago Metro reporter covering crime, the court beat and community news. She has been the recipient of numerous reporting fellowships, including from the International Center for Journalists and the National Press Foundation, and serves on the board of directors of the Regional Reporters’ Association.

She holds a Bachelor’s in History from Harvard University and a Master’s in International Law from the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy. Prior to becoming a reporter, Karoun worked for the United Nations, co-authoring reports on peacekeeping operations, disaster relief and emerging democracies.

Karoun grew up in the Boston area. She fell into news at the college radio station where she worked as a classical DJ, and a few months later, ended up landing a first internship and producing job at National Public Radio’s All Things Considered. When not scribbling or shooting, Karoun still spends a great deal of time making music as a professional classical soprano. She is fluent in Armenian, competent in German and Arabic and presently studying Russian and Spanish.

[tod evans]

Yeah, Karoun Demirjian, Washington Correspondent aka 'propagandist'. I wish callers would do a check/vetting on these media mouthpieces that intentionally deceive the public with intentionally presenting 1/2 the info, only what they want you to hear.

Give me a soft-spoken old rancher over some highfalutin' city slicker for credibility any day....

[Pericles]

Isn't it wonderful how "agreeable" everyone - Republican or Democrat - can be when they don't let pesky things like the Constitution get in the way?

I can agree with that.

[devil21]

Looks like if Reid is going down, he's going to try to take one of ours with him. Trouble incoming for Mike Lee.

FBI corruption probe centers around Reid and Lee. (from march...not sure how this stayed under the radar so long)
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...#ixzz2zUZRlD1y

[DamianTV]

If Dirty Harry Reid promotes violence as the only viable solution to situations such as this, then to what extent will he continue to support that violence? Would he support violence if he is voted out against the majority of the people? Would he support extreme violence for breaking Jaywalking laws although the only victim will be the Jaywalker? To what end Reid? Any representative that prefers Govt Violence over seeking a peaceful resolution to any disagreement is an Enemy of Humanity.

[phill4paul]

Looks like if Reid is going down, he's going to try to take one of ours with him. Trouble incoming for Mike Lee.

FBI corruption probe centers around Reid and Lee. (from march...not sure how this stayed under the radar so long)
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...#ixzz2zUZRlD1y

Without the chief prostitutor on board ain't nothing gonna happen. Hell, the chief prostitutor is a criminal himself. Whatcha gonna do?

[ctiger2]

[phill4paul]

Heard on Hannity from Fiori that she had heard some feds tried to sell some weapons to the militia there. They told them to pound sand and move along. Lol.

[HOLLYWOOD]

I thought I posted that somewhere... RICO is on Steroids with these legislative prostitutes. Shows you just how much time they have on their hands to wheel and deal, conspire, racketeer, coerce, influence, etc...

Looks like if Reid is going down, he's going to try to take one of ours with him. Trouble incoming for Mike Lee.

FBI corruption probe centers around Reid and Lee. (from march...not sure how this stayed under the radar so long)
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...#ixzz2zUZRlD1y

[AuH20]

Heard on Hannity from Fiori that she had heard some feds tried to sell some weapons to the militia there. They told them to pound sand and move along. Lol.

Explosives. Two militia men allegedly from Utah came bearing "gifts."