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    Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine

    This is HIGHLY disturbing!! I thought about putting it in General Politics, but it does have a ton of religious implications as well.


    Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/w...raine/7816951/

    Jews in the eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk where pro-Russian militants have taken over government buildings were told they have to "register" with the Ukrainians who are trying to make the city become part of Russia, according to Ukrainian and Israeli media.

    Jews emerging from a synagogue say they were handed leaflets that ordered the city's Jews to provide a list of property they own and pay a registration fee "or else have their citizenship revoked, face deportation and see their assets confiscated," reported Ynet News, Israel's largest news website.

    Donetsk is the site of an "anti-terrorist" operation by the Ukraine government, which has moved military columns into the region to force out militants who are demanding a referendum be held on joining Russia. The news was carried first by the Ukraine's Donbass news agency.

    The leaflets bore the name of Denis Pushilin, who identified himself as chairman of "Donetsk's temporary government," and were distributed near the Donetsk synagogue and other areas, according to the reports.

    Pushilin acknowledged that fliers were distributed under his organization's name in Donetsk but denied any connection to them, Ynet reported in Hebrew.

    Emanuel Shechter, in Israel, told Ynet his friends in Donetsk sent him a copy of the leaflet through social media.

    "They told me that masked men were waiting for Jewish people after the Passover eve prayer, handed them the flier and told them to obey its instructions," he said.

    The leaflet begins, "Dear Ukraine citizens of Jewish nationality," and states that all people of Jewish descent over 16 years old must report to the Commissioner for Nationalities in the Donetsk Regional Administration building and "register."

    It says the reason is because the leaders of the Jewish community of Ukraine supported Bendery Junta, a reference to Stepan Bandera, the leader of the Ukrainian nationalist movement that fought for Ukrainian independence at the end of World War II, "and oppose the pro-Slavic People's Republic of Donetsk," a name adopted by the militant leadership.

    The leaflet then described which documents Jews should provide: "ID and passport are required to register your Jewish religion, religious documents of family members, as well as documents establishing the rights to all real estate property that belongs to you, including vehicles."

    Consequences for non-compliance will result in citizenship being revoked "and you will be forced outside the country with a confiscation of property." A registration fee of $50 would be required, it said.

    Olga Reznikova, 32, a Jewish resident of Donetsk, told Ynet she never experienced anti-Semitism in the city until she saw this leaflet.

    "We don't know if these notifications were distributed by pro-Russian activists or someone else, but it's serious that it exists," she said. "The text reminds of the fascists in 1941," she said referring to the Nazis who occupied Ukraine during World War II.

    Morton Klein, president of the Zionist Organization of America, the oldest pro-Israel group in the USA, said the leaflets should be seen in the context of a rising tide of anti-Semitism across Europe and the world, and that it should prompt a strong response from the White House.

    "This is a frightening new development in the anti-Jewish movement that is gaining traction around the world," Klein said.

    Michael Salberg, director of the international affairs at the New York City-based Anti-Defamation League, said it's unclear whether the leaflets were issued by the pro-Russian leadership or a splinter group operating within the pro-Russian camp.

    But the Russian side has used the specter of anti-Semitism in a cynical manner since anti-government protests began in Kiev that resulted in the ousting of Ukraine's pro-Russian former president Viktor Yanukovych. Russia and its allies in Ukraine issued multiple stories about the the threat posed to Jews by Ukraine's new pro-Western government in Kiev, Salberg said.

    Those stories were based in part on ultra-nationalists who joined the Maidan protests, and the inclusion of the ultra-nationalist Svoboda party in Ukraine's new interim government. But the threat turned out to be false, he said.

    Svoboda's leadership needs to be monitored, but so far it has refrained from anti-Semitic statements since joining the government, he said. And the prevalence of anti-Semitic acts has not changed since before the Maidan protests, according to the ADL and the Ukrainian Helsinki Human Rights Union, which monitors human rights in Ukraine.

    Distributing such leaflets is a recruitment tool to appeal to the xenophobic fears of the majority, "to enlist them to your cause and focus on a common enemy, the Jews," Salberg said.

    And by targeting Donetsk's Jews, they also send a message to all the region's residents, Salberg said.

    "The message is a message to all the people that is we're going to exert our power over you," he said. "Jews are the default scapegoat throughout history for despots to send a message to the general public: Don't step out of line."
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    Morton Klein, president of the Zionist Organization of America, the oldest pro-Israel group in the USA, said the leaflets should be seen in the context of a rising tide of anti-Semitism across Europe and the world, and that it should prompt a strong response from the White House.


    Michael Salberg, director of the international affairs at the New York City-based Anti-Defamation League, said it's unclear whether the leaflets were issued by the pro-Russian leadership or a splinter group operating within the pro-Russian camp.

    Morris Dees still trying to write policy I see...

    Might I suggest he get off his pedophile ass and use his own millions to fly over there and address the people involved instead of crying for the US government to do so on his behalf...

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    "Deja vu, all over again." -- Yogi Berra

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Morris Dees still trying to write policy I see...

    Might I suggest he get off his pedophile ass and use his own millions to fly over there and address the people involved instead of crying for the US government to do so on his behalf...
    I am not familiar with Morris Dees! I guess it's time to look it up! What I found truly disturbing was the comments. How many people are blaming this on Putin. It is the US - CIA - EU that installed these Nazis running Ukraine right now. Sad Sad Sad.
    This is one of the most disturbing pieces of news I have seen in awhile. I think . Hard to tell. So much of it is disturbing lately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Annie View Post
    I am not familiar with Morris Dees! I guess it's time to look it up! What I found truly disturbing was the comments. How many people are blaming this on Putin. It is the US - CIA - EU that installed these Nazis running Ukraine right now. Sad Sad Sad.
    This is one of the most disturbing pieces of news I have seen in awhile. I think . Hard to tell. So much of it is disturbing lately.
    Mr. Dees is the HMFIC of the SPLC...

    A real piece of work.

    It's been written about time and again where he assigns labels to people or groups in order to discredit them or enhance prosecution.

    His ties to the ADL, ZoA and the White house's alphabet agencies are well known.

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    What's the deal with USA Today? I thought they already had a logo... what's up with purple pedobear?
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    Olga Reznikova, 32, a Jewish resident of Donetsk, told Ynet she never experienced anti-Semitism in the city until she saw this leaflet.

    "We don't know if these notifications were distributed by pro-Russian activists or someone else, but it's serious that it exists," she said.
    ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    .."We don't know if these notifications were distributed by pro-Russian activists or someone else, but it's serious that it exists," she said
    If it comes to light it was the Russian's planting propoganda, then it will only fuel the war party efforts. On the other hand if it's Ukrainian government being that bold, then some US policy makers should be burned over supporting those goons.
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    If this is true, it's very bad indeed. Even worse than the IRS demanding lists of our names from Campaign for Liberty...

    Pushilin acknowledged that fliers were distributed under his organization's name in Donetsk but denied any connection to them, Ynet reported in Hebrew.
    I am skeptical of everything, including "conspiracy theories" and "false flags". But this seems very convenient for the anti-Russia propagandists. The guy is denying any connection. So who were the masked people handing out fliers? John McCain and Morris Dees?
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    Michael Salberg, director of the international affairs at the New York City-based Anti-Defamation League, said it's unclear whether the leaflets were issued by the pro-Russian leadership or a splinter group operating within the pro-Russian camp.
    If that's unclear, then it's also unclear if this is a false flag bit of silliness for propaganda purposes perpetrated by the new Ukrainian Nazis, or the EU, or the CIA...

    But of course, the statement that it's the Russians is not a conspiracy theory, while saying it's the CIA is a conspiracy theory.
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    Experience teaches us that it is much easier to prevent an enemy from posting themselves than it is to dislodge them after they have got possession.
    ~ George Washington

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    Maybe his friends:

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    Disturbing, to say the least.
    "There never was a good war or a bad peace." ~ Benjamin Franklin

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    War machine: ON

    So, in conclusion: the Jews of Donetsk and eastern Ukraine may have been asked by a leaflet to register, but it has not been enforced nor are any Ukrainian Jews registering themselves. If that changes, I'll be all over it, but so far, you can breathe easy. No Holocaust 2.0 just yet.
    http://www.newrepublic.com/article/1...-jews-register


    If we can't get these people to stop being "isolationists" we'll just trot out the old WW2 propaganda again.
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    So the Russian controlled new republic has some anti semites. Oh my God. Oh my God! it must be the Nazi west Ukrainians. People try so hard to paint that region in their black and white. There has to be absolute good guys and absolute bad guys!
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    Mythical “Jew Registration” in East Ukraine a Media Sensation

    Determined not to let a good piece of rhetoric go to waste just because it was untrue and discredited nearly 24 hours ago, Western media outlets are running frenzied stories about Jews in the protester-held Eastern Ukraine cities being forced to register, providing a new chance to make World War 2 comparisons, and advancing the US narrative that the Russians, and not the “pro-West” protesters with swastika stickers on their helmets, are the “real anti-semites.”

    Determined not to let a good piece of rhetoric go to waste just because it was untrue and discredited nearly 24 hours ago, Western media outlets are running frenzied stories about Jews in the protester-held Eastern Ukraine cities being forced to register, providing a new chance to make World War 2 comparisons, and advancing the US narrative that the Russians, and not the “pro-West” protesters with swastika stickers on their helmets, are the “real anti-semites.”
    ...
    http://antiwar.com/blog/2014/04/17/m...dia-sensation/



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    Thanks for clearing this up!
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    I never suspected it to be the pro-Russians. I figured it was the new neo nazi regime so graciously put in place by US and EU.
    Experience teaches us that it is much easier to prevent an enemy from posting themselves than it is to dislodge them after they have got possession.
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    I went to post this on FB, and the very first item on my timeline was the OP article. So, I posted this antiwar.com article. Thanks,
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    When I read this, I had assumed it was the new Svoboda party in Ukraine. I would have never thought it was to insinuate that the Russians were doing this in Eastern Ukraine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They are coming home, all the naysayers said they would never leave Syria and then they said they were going to stay in Iraq forever.

    It won't take very long to get them home but it won't be overnight either but Iraq says they can't stay and they are coming home just like Trump said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump had to donate the "right way" and hang out with the "right people" in order to do business in NYC and Hollyweird and in order to investigate and expose them.
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    The idea that the pro secessionist people doing this is as believable as Gaddafi handing their soldier viagra to rape their own women while US/NATO and the world are watching over them. You dont have to be a conspiracy theorist to see that they would not benefit in any way shape or form from taking this action especially now that Russia hasn't officially come to their aide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    The idea that the pro secessionist people doing this is as believable as Gaddafi handing their soldier viagra to rape their own women while US/NATO and the world are watching over them. You dont have to be a conspiracy theorist to see that they would not benefit in any way shape or form from taking this action especially now that Russia hasn't officially come to their aide.
    +rep



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    They are still reporting this on CNN right now. Their headline banner says "Anti-Semitic Pamphlets Spark Outrage in Ukraine". Obvious propaganda.
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    Yep, it's a fake false flag story. Bill Kristol probably printed up the flyers. Laying the groundwork for future cover for his future crimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    They are still reporting this on CNN right now. Their headline banner says "Anti-Semitic Pamphlets Spark Outrage in Ukraine". Obvious propaganda.
    I tend to think it is pretty typical propaganda, but here's the thing, the flyers WERE distributed, I just think that they are, AS USUAL trying to pin it on the wrong side. For example, just as in Syria,... they tried to pin the Chemical attack on the Assad regime, when every single piece of evidence points to the fact that it was the rebels.
    It is basically getting to the point to where you can just ask yourself, what side is the US supporting and pretty much assume its totally backwards of what the US is saying it really is.
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    Some host just brought it up on Fox as if it was real...
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