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Thread: Michael Reagan: Shut Up Tea Party, Your Candidates Are Kooks

  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by tobismom View Post
    Not even a little bit. A libertarian does not come out of a vacuum. There must be a principled set of ideas that can be clearly communicated to voters. Reagan is a good example. So is Dr. Paul. Incapsulate and communicate the message, or you all will be sitting right here in November 2016 scratching your heads and wondering how you lost. Again.

    Get back to your basics and get those ideas out there.
    Reagan was a LIAR.

    Ron Paul is not- and most MSM has tried to shut his message up. He LOST because of the MSM, in cahoots with neocons- plus the pirating of the GOP convention.

    Learn a little before you start spouting about "a principled set of ideas".
    There is no spoon.



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  3. #32
    Reading comprehension issues? I'm talking about getting the message into a focused, logical form, and communicating it clearly to the voters. Reagan was very good at that. Dr. Paul is good at it.

    This is now. People are learning that the MSM lies. They are connected and looking for alternatives. They don't see alternatives because libertarians can't seem to settle on a concise, unified message. This week was something of a victory, but it doesn't communicate much in terms of a political message that will play in an election year.

    If someone doesn't step up by the start of 2015, we are sunk. Again.
    Last edited by euphemia; 04-13-2014 at 11:23 AM.



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  5. #33
    I doubt this is an attack on the libertarian Tea Partiers.

    Remember when he took the side of Rand over Cruz regarding his father? I think he really hates Cruz.

  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by jclay2 View Post
    If my memory serves, Michael Reagan is a huge liberal democrat (despite being the son of President Reagan). This is the last guy we need to be taking advice or even acknowledging.
    Ron Reagan, Jr., the biological son of Ronald W. Reagan, is a huge liberal democrat, atheist, etc., etc.

    Michael Reagan, the adopted son of Ronald W. Reagan, is a conservative, or at least always plays one on talk radio and Fox News.

  7. #35
    Interesting points made in the Comments Section following Reagan's article.

  8. #36
    At least Michael didn't say he thought all of the Tea Partiers should be "lined up and shot" as said towards another group of people a few years ago.

  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by RonPaulFanInGA View Post
    Ron Reagan, Jr., the biological son of Ronald W. Reagan, is a huge liberal democrat, atheist, etc., etc.

    Michael Reagan, the adopted son of Ronald W. Reagan, is a conservative, or at least always plays one on talk radio and Fox News.
    Thanks for the correction. Looks like all of his children are snakes. lol

  10. #38
    Libertarians need to find a way to communicate their message with conviction and winsomeness. Name calling is neither.

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by tobismom View Post
    He has a point. Unless libertarians learn to listen and frame their message in a sane and sober way, we are going to lose. Again. Ideas and principles have to be communicated logically and well.
    I was beginning to worry about this site. We have to characterize our views in a sane way. Let's face it. It's politics. Even if it wasn't, an individual could easily get the wrong ideas about our views. I think it's safe to say that we have to accept that a voluntary society will never exist. However, that doesn't mean a near free society won't. Government taking over is bad but at least we could argue that we would rather have it in some places instead of others. I would rather have universal healthcare over the corruption and the wars we have. Half the stuff that these socialists and statists propose isn't really that bad if you are someone like Nader or Dennis. We should promote "Soft-Libertarian" which really just means focusing on a few issues.

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by RonPaulFanInGA View Post
    Ron Reagan, Jr., the biological son of Ronald W. Reagan, is a huge liberal democrat, atheist, etc., etc.

    Michael Reagan, the adopted son of Ronald W. Reagan, is a conservative, or at least always plays one on talk radio and Fox News.
    Nah, he just plays one on TV.

    During the 2012 elections, Reagan endorsed and actively campaigned [3] for Democratic congressman Brad Sherman a pro-choice Congressman [4] who is considered a liberal member of Congress.[5] [6]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Reagan



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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by tobismom View Post
    Frame the message in a reasonable and logical way. Show what is wrong with the system and what needs to change. Explain how that will happen. Ronald Reagan's promise to bring certain things before Congress in the first 100 days was something people heard, understood, and wanted.

    "As soon as I take the oath of office, I will ask Congress to immediately withdraw our troops from the Middle East and have them home by May 1."

    "As President, I will not authorize our troops to do anything but defend our nation and our borders."

    "Once I'm elected, I will not sign new legislation until these things have been repealed [fill in the blank] and these departments have been dismantled [fill in the blank]"

    "We will return to the Constituional requirement that Congress passes a budget every year."
    The problem is that all of the above is considered to be kooky.
    "I shall bring justice to Westeros. Every man shall reap what he has sown, from the highest lord to the lowest gutter rat. They have made my kingdom bleed, and I do not forget that."
    -Stannis Baratheon

  15. #42
    Michael who?

    Seriously, should I know who this guy is?
    "An idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government" - Ron Paul.

    "To learn who rules over you simply find out who you arent allowed to criticize."

  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by tobismom View Post
    Libertarians need to find a way to communicate their message with conviction and winsomeness. Name calling is neither.
    i think the BLM heard the message.

    end thread.

  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by tobismom View Post
    Ideas and principles have to be communicated logically and well.
    Please tell me when was the last time that logic and clearly articulated principles won a national election in the USA. You think that is what is needed because that is what works for YOU. But you are not in the majority. Not even close. The majority of people are NOT swayed by logic, but by emotion. Look around. Emotion rules both the democratic and republican electorate and always has. Human beings are by-and-large driven by emotions, not reason. If you want to win elections, figure out how to present a liberty platform in a way that moves people emotionally. Reason and adherence to principle will never appeal to more than a very small minority.
    The proper concern of society is the preservation of individual freedom; the proper concern of the individual is the harmony of society.

    "Who would be free, themselves must strike the blow." - Byron

    "Who overcomes by force, hath overcome but half his foe." - Milton

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    Nah, he just plays one on TV.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Reagan
    Oh, so is this why Michael Reagan hasn't been on FOX NEWS CHANNEL/NEWSCORP? I haven't seen him in quite some time... It's all Fascism today and those individual profiteers on the state from creating and continuing the divide in the fabricated MATRIX.
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  19. #46
    si im supposed to listen to what reagan says because why? I AM RON PAUL mother $#@!er!!!!! you cannot kill an idea whos time has come.

  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by tobismom View Post
    Reading comprehension issues? I'm talking about getting the message into a focused, logical form, and communicating it clearly to the voters. Reagan was very good at that. Dr. Paul is good at it.

    This is now. People are learning that the MSM lies. They are connected and looking for alternatives. They don't see alternatives because libertarians can't seem to settle on a concise, unified message. This week was something of a victory, but it doesn't communicate much in terms of a political message that will play in an election year.

    If someone doesn't step up by the start of 2015, we are sunk. Again.
    I understand what you are saying, we need politicians who are open about what the beleive in, but good at articulating it.

    But, for the record, I think most "Tea Party" (thats the MSM's label, not mine) are quite good at articulating their message.

    The problem is the MSM itself, they do two things to destroy good candidates A) pluck soundbytes out of context and make them sound nuts, and replay, replay, replay until someones ruined in the eyes of the majority, B) use labels like "Tea Party" and "Republican" to conflate genuine freedom loving candidates with fake neocon types, and make it seem like we are hypocrites.
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