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    Rand Paul’s Hostile Takeover of the Republican Party Is Getting More Hostile

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    Until very recently, Rand Paul’s project of insinuating himself comfortably within the Republican Party, and positioning himself as a plausible presidential nominee, had gone along with remarkable ease. Yes, the author of his campaign book turned out to be an unreconstructed neo-Confederate. That was a speed bump. (Who among us has not entrusted the explication of his worldview to a man who has cheered on the assassination of President Lincoln?) Paul had staged a masterful piece of political theater with his marathon Senate speech denouncing the Obama administration’s drone policy. He has assembled a top-tier campaign apparatus. As recently as January, The Atlantic’s Peter Beinart tabbed him the Party’s 2016 frontrunner.
    But now the war to stop Paul has been joined. Paul may overcome the resistance, or he may not. What the struggle shows is the sheer audacity of his project. It is hard to think of a candidate with ideas as heterodox as those Paul has successfully implanted within a major party. Political parties are vast conglomerations that move glacially across the ideological spectrum. Paul is attempting an immediate, totalistic transformation of Republican foreign policy.

    Paul has seized upon a moment of flux and confusion that is not uncommon for a party out of power. Republican anti-interventionism flowered briefly under the Clinton presidency, and a similar movement has sprung up under President Obama. Partisans on both sides distrust the use of power far more when they loathe the president who is using it. The drone debate displayed Paul under optimal conditions, when he could harness the fear coursing through the right — which had previously expressed itself in the form of such paranoid conceptions as death panels, FEMA camps, and feverish muttering about the abnegation of the Constitution — into the service of his foreign policy worldview.
    At the same time, the Party’s ideological geography has not changed nearly as much as it may have appeared. Hawks remain firmly in control of the commanding heights. The neoconservatism of the Bush administration may have run aground in Iraq, but conservative discontent with Bush mostly dissolved into diffuse complaints about big government and overspending. The Republican candidates that have followed Bush, John McCain and Mitt Romney, both ran as unapologetic hawks. (Romney titled his campaign biography No Apology.) The House Republican budget proposes a $483 billion increase in military spending over the next decade. Bush-era foreign-policymaking retains enough prestige within the Party that the cachet and intellectual tutelage of Don Rumsfeld is still in demand. As Robert Costa reported recently, Rumsfeld “has been courted by several potential candidates and plans to meet with [Ted] Cruz.” Yes — there is a competition to woo one of the most flamboyantly disastrous policymakers in the history of the United States.

    Something is happening and you don't know what it is, do you, Alex Jones.
    Paul has approached American politics from the diametric pole. In 2009, Alex Jones, asked him, “You're basically what I would call a chip off the old block. Your policies are basically identical to your father, correct?” To which Paul replied, "I'd say we'd be very very similar. We might present the message sometimes differently ... I think in some ways the message has to be broadened and made more appealing to the entire Republican electorate because you have to win a primary.”
    Two things stand out about this exchange. The first is that Paul was talking to Alex Jones at all. Jones is a full-out conspiracy theorist — including, but by no means limited to, being a 9/11 Truther. (The full derangement of Jones’s worldview is difficult to summarize; Michelle Goldberg’s 2009 profile captures it.) Paul has actually continued to speak with Jones congenially.
    The second noteworthy thing about this exchange was that Paul was openly describing his own infiltration plot. Paul has since worked to carefully distance himself from his father, delivering speeches at comfortably orthodox Republican venues like the Heritage Foundation, where he represented his thinking as just a slight tweak on the good old Republican line. "I am a realist, not a neoconservative, nor an isolationist," he declared. “Reagan’s foreign policy was much closer to what I am advocating than what we have today.” Why would anybody believe him when he had already told Jones, in a you-do-know-people-can-hear-the-radio moment, that he did subscribe to his father’s views but planned to smuggle them into the Party under a more appealing package?

    This won't be a problem unless Dick Cheney somehow holds grudges.
    It is acceptable, and in some ways politically beneficial, for a Republican candidate to harbor irrational suspicions about Barack Obama. Harboring irrational suspicions about Republicans is another thing. Earlier this week, David Corn, who appears to possess incriminating video of everybody in America, produced videos of Paul in 2008 and 2009, in which he attributed Dick Cheney’s support for the Iraq invasion to his connections to Halliburton. “[Y]ou know, a couple hundred million dollars later Dick Cheney earns from Halliburton, he comes back into government. Now Halliburton's got a billion-dollar no-bid contract in Iraq,” Paul mused in 2008. And, “Dick Cheney then goes to work for Halliburton. Makes hundreds of millions of dollars, their CEO. Next thing you know, he's back in government and it's a good idea to go into Iraq,” he said in 2009.
    The best you can say about Paul’s account of Cheney is that it’s incomplete and laden with insinuation. Paul implies, without quite stating, that Cheney harbored a financial conflict of interest. In fact, he had fully divested himself from Halliburton. He did not make a dime from the war. Likewise, Paul dwells on the strange change of heart that Cheney underwent from the 1990s, when he still defended George H.W. Bush’s decision not to invade Iraq, to his time in the second Bush administration. It seems downright weird to attribute the change to working at Halliburton rather than, I don’t know, 9/11. Granted, 9/11 may have been a substantively terrible reason to invade Iraq. But it’s pretty obvious that 9/11 freaked a lot of people out and made them irrationally aggressive. It’s much, much harder to imagine that Cheney’s time at Halliburton made him dream longingly of the day when he could launch a major occupation that would throw off lucrative contracting work.
    And I don’t like Dick Cheney! At all!
    Republicans, however, very much do. If you’re running for the Republican presidential nomination, implying that one of the Party’s revered elder statesmen started a war due to hidden pecuniary motives is not cool.

    This party ain't big enough for the both of us.
    The outlines of the backlash against Paul have already taken shape. Hawkish Republicans have subjected him to close scrutiny. (It was the neoconservative Washington Free Beacon that exposed Paul’s ties to the “Southern Avenger.”) Billionaire Republican financier Sheldon Adelson has vowed to spend millions stopping Paul from obtaining the nomination.
    Corn’s revelation has given them a new way in, displaying Paul not merely as an ideological radical but as a partisan enemy. There is probably more where that video came from, too. It’s merely one small window into the reality that Paul spent his entire pre-2010 career in the world of Ron Paul and Alex Jones, in which the foreign policy of George W. Bush was not just bungled or misguided but the manifestation of a sinister conspiracy. Paul has developed shrewd instincts and has obvious political talent. He may or may not successfully finesse the staggeringly large gulf between his worldview and that of the Party he is trying to take over. But stopping people like Paul from capturing the nomination is the reason Party Establishments exist.



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    all the hostility is coming frm the other side

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    Just purely coincidence that the increase in hit pieces started after the Adelson con fab in Vegas.

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    Blah, blah, shut up, media concern trolls.

    By the way, what was Corn's big "revelation", exactly? A search for 'Rand Paul speech' on YouTube? Republicans don't care about Mother Jones.
    Last edited by RonPaulFanInGA; 04-10-2014 at 12:09 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonPaulFanInGA View Post
    Blah, blah, shut up, media concern trolls.

    By the way, what was Corn's big "revelation", exactly? A search for 'Rand Paul speech' on YouTube? Republicans don't care about Mother Jones.
    If these same people would actually listen to Rand, then they would know he still readily admits that he was and still is highly-critical of the Bush Administration. Like during his filibuster, for example. There are a multitude of youtube videos of Rand denouncing the Bush administration, a simple search would show you that, I think it's safe to say Rand was aware of all these videos being public.

    Rand, also, implicitly denounced torture during his filibuster. He subsequently went on to repeat a lot of this material in speeches later on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ObiRandKenobi View Post
    all the hostility is coming frm the other side
    The "other" side? Team Red and Team Blue are on the SAME side...

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    It is interesting that Republicans don't seem to be jumping on this. Where's Peter King? Where's John Bolton? I seems that nobody on the Republican side wants to defend Dick Cheney. That's not the hallmark of a "revered elder statesman." I think the reality is that George Bush is not a word you utter in polite Republican society these days, and Dick Cheney is an even more embarrassing expletive.

    But I actually liked the beginning of this essay because Ron Paul IS out to change the Republican Party and to change it profoundly. But he's not just another Robert Taft. It's not just about foreign policy. It's about domestic policy as well, and in that respect, he's more like another Ronald Reagan who is calling the party back to its roots. He's not trying to convert 40% of Republicans to the same views as the 10% who are libertarians. He's trying to take the 40% who are already constitutional conservatives and adding another 10% who haven't yet realized that foreign policy has profound effects on budgetary and fiscal policy and civil liberties as well.

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    The author actually said Cheney underwent a "strange change of heart.."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kords21 View Post
    Just purely coincidence that the increase in hit pieces started after the Adelson con fab in Vegas.
    And notably, the vast majority of them are emanating from hard left mouthpieces like Mother Jones, Slate, and NY Mag. Lest anyone ever doubt that the neocons and the radical left are really of a piece.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inkblots View Post
    And notably, the vast majority of them are emanating from hard left mouthpieces like Mother Jones, Slate, and NY Mag. Lest anyone ever doubt that the neocons and the radical left are really of a piece.

    Well, the right doesn't want to attack Rand on this because they'd need to double down on their pro-war stance and that is a losing proposition.
    The left gets to dig at the GOP for being pro-war, AND they get to embroil the strongest Republican candidate in a faux scandal. It's lose-lose for Republicans and win-win for Democrats to push this stuff.

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    "......then they fight you...."
    Diversity finds unity in the message of freedom.

    Dilige et quod vis fac. ~ Saint Augustine

    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Above all I think everyone needs to understand that neither the Bundys nor Finicum were militia or had prior military training. They were, first and foremost, Ranchers who had about all the shit they could take.
    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLYWOOD View Post
    If anything, this situation has proved the government is nothing but a dictatorship backed by deadly force... no different than the dictatorships in the banana republics, just more polished and cleverly propagandized.
    "I'll believe in good cops when they start turning bad cops in."

    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    In a free society there will be bigotry, and racism, and sexism and religious disputes and, and, and.......
    I don't want to live in a cookie cutter, federally mandated society.
    Give me messy freedom every time!

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    Well, personally, I don't think this conversation is really going to go anywhere until Reagan is outted for what he was.
    A president who sent the Marines to invade a sovereign island without even bothering to talk to congress.
    A president who turned on the fed's money spigot.
    A president who signed the most sweeping federal gun control bill still on the books.
    A president who secretly sold arms to a country under an embargo in order to be able to fund political strife in another country.
    A president who retroactively removed tax breaks which ended up making 747 financial institutions go bankrupt....
    ...a president who then bailed out those institutions.

    It's true that everything Reagan did pales in comparison with GWB or Obama, but where did they get the precedent?
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    Well, personally, I don't think this conversation is really going to go anywhere until Reagan is outted for what he was.
    A president who sent the Marines to invade a sovereign island without even bothering to talk to congress.
    A president who turned on the fed's money spigot.
    A president who signed the most sweeping federal gun control bill still on the books.
    A president who secretly sold arms to a country under an embargo in order to be able to fund political strife in another country.
    A president who retroactively removed tax breaks which ended up making 747 financial institutions go bankrupt....
    ...a president who then bailed out those institutions.

    It's true that everything Reagan did pales in comparison with GWB or Obama, but where did they get the precedent?
    How did you feel about Ron's support Reagan? He even campaigned on it, circulating a picture of the two of them, etc.
    Diversity finds unity in the message of freedom.

    Dilige et quod vis fac. ~ Saint Augustine

    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Above all I think everyone needs to understand that neither the Bundys nor Finicum were militia or had prior military training. They were, first and foremost, Ranchers who had about all the shit they could take.
    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLYWOOD View Post
    If anything, this situation has proved the government is nothing but a dictatorship backed by deadly force... no different than the dictatorships in the banana republics, just more polished and cleverly propagandized.
    "I'll believe in good cops when they start turning bad cops in."

    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    In a free society there will be bigotry, and racism, and sexism and religious disputes and, and, and.......
    I don't want to live in a cookie cutter, federally mandated society.
    Give me messy freedom every time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    Well, personally, I don't think this conversation is really going to go anywhere until Reagan is outted for what he was.
    A president who sent the Marines to invade a sovereign island without even bothering to talk to congress.
    A president who turned on the fed's money spigot.
    A president who signed the most sweeping federal gun control bill still on the books.
    A president who secretly sold arms to a country under an embargo in order to be able to fund political strife in another country.
    A president who retroactively removed tax breaks which ended up making 747 financial institutions go bankrupt....
    ...a president who then bailed out those institutions.

    It's true that everything Reagan did pales in comparison with GWB or Obama, but where did they get the precedent?
    So true!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by Deborah K View Post
    How did you feel about Ron's support Reagan? He even campaigned on it, circulating a picture of the two of them, etc.
    Clever manipulation of the points of agreement vs. confrontation of what the idol did that was faulty during his reign. Dr,Paul knew the uphill battle we faced and chose to exploit the GOP weakness by finding a point of common ground. My two cents worth even if you didn't ask me.
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    -- as it surely will.
    Then act with courage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moostraks View Post
    So true!!!

    Clever manipulation of the points of agreement vs. confrontation of what the idol did that was faulty during his reign. Dr,Paul knew the uphill battle we faced and chose to exploit the GOP weakness by finding a point of common ground. My two cents worth even if you didn't ask me.
    Can the same objective be applied to Rand?
    Diversity finds unity in the message of freedom.

    Dilige et quod vis fac. ~ Saint Augustine

    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Above all I think everyone needs to understand that neither the Bundys nor Finicum were militia or had prior military training. They were, first and foremost, Ranchers who had about all the shit they could take.
    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLYWOOD View Post
    If anything, this situation has proved the government is nothing but a dictatorship backed by deadly force... no different than the dictatorships in the banana republics, just more polished and cleverly propagandized.
    "I'll believe in good cops when they start turning bad cops in."

    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    In a free society there will be bigotry, and racism, and sexism and religious disputes and, and, and.......
    I don't want to live in a cookie cutter, federally mandated society.
    Give me messy freedom every time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    Well, personally, I don't think this conversation is really going to go anywhere until Reagan is outted for what he was.
    A president who sent the Marines to invade a sovereign island without even bothering to talk to congress.
    A president who turned on the fed's money spigot.
    A president who signed the most sweeping federal gun control bill still on the books.
    A president who secretly sold arms to a country under an embargo in order to be able to fund political strife in another country.
    A president who retroactively removed tax breaks which ended up making 747 financial institutions go bankrupt....
    ...a president who then bailed out those institutions.

    It's true that everything Reagan did pales in comparison with GWB or Obama, but where did they get the precedent?
    I agree, but unfortunately it seems like praising Reagan is a requirement to be a Republican elected official at any level of government.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Deborah K View Post
    "......then they fight you...."

    We're way passed that. We're in the middle of the "then you win" phase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inkblots View Post
    And notably, the vast majority of them are emanating from hard left mouthpieces like Mother Jones, Slate, and NY Mag. Lest anyone ever doubt that the neocons and the radical left are really of a piece.
    At some point they will definitely realize that they are not only failing to have the intended effect, but they are actually helping our cause. This is great with Democrats and Independents and the only people genuinely upset about it on the right were never going to do anything but fight tooth-and-nail against Rand the entire way.

    I want to send them a thank you note.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingNothing View Post
    We're way passed that. We're in the middle of the "then you win" phase.
    I don't agree, as long the likes of Peter King, et al have any input - not to mention the fact that it looks like they're floating the "Jeb Bush" balloon right now.
    Diversity finds unity in the message of freedom.

    Dilige et quod vis fac. ~ Saint Augustine

    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Above all I think everyone needs to understand that neither the Bundys nor Finicum were militia or had prior military training. They were, first and foremost, Ranchers who had about all the shit they could take.
    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLYWOOD View Post
    If anything, this situation has proved the government is nothing but a dictatorship backed by deadly force... no different than the dictatorships in the banana republics, just more polished and cleverly propagandized.
    "I'll believe in good cops when they start turning bad cops in."

    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    In a free society there will be bigotry, and racism, and sexism and religious disputes and, and, and.......
    I don't want to live in a cookie cutter, federally mandated society.
    Give me messy freedom every time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deborah K View Post
    I don't agree, as long the likes of Peter King, et al have any input - not to mention the fact that it looks like they're floating the "Jeb Bush" balloon right now.
    But you and others have been posting "......then they fight you...." since, like, 2008. We are, without question, winning now. We haven't won yet, but we are getting there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingNothing View Post
    But you and others have been posting "......then they fight you...." since, like, 2008. We are, without question, winning now. We haven't won yet, but we are getting there.
    The battle isn't over and it won't be until Rand is President and the freedom movement has infiltrated both parties. I don't intend to count my chickens before they hatch, just yet.

    But hey, we're making great progress, on that we agree.
    Diversity finds unity in the message of freedom.

    Dilige et quod vis fac. ~ Saint Augustine

    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Above all I think everyone needs to understand that neither the Bundys nor Finicum were militia or had prior military training. They were, first and foremost, Ranchers who had about all the shit they could take.
    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLYWOOD View Post
    If anything, this situation has proved the government is nothing but a dictatorship backed by deadly force... no different than the dictatorships in the banana republics, just more polished and cleverly propagandized.
    "I'll believe in good cops when they start turning bad cops in."

    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    In a free society there will be bigotry, and racism, and sexism and religious disputes and, and, and.......
    I don't want to live in a cookie cutter, federally mandated society.
    Give me messy freedom every time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deborah K View Post
    How did you feel about Ron's support Reagan? He even campaigned on it, circulating a picture of the two of them, etc.
    Ron also repeatedly stated that GWB's 2000 campaign contained a lot of rhetoric he could get behind.
    And IIRC Ron also backed off from supporting Reagan as his presidency went on... just as he did with GWB.
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    Well, personally, I don't think this conversation is really going to go anywhere until Reagan is outted for what he was.
    A president who sent the Marines to invade a sovereign island without even bothering to talk to congress.
    A president who turned on the fed's money spigot.
    A president who signed the most sweeping federal gun control bill still on the books.
    A president who secretly sold arms to a country under an embargo in order to be able to fund political strife in another country.
    A president who retroactively removed tax breaks which ended up making 747 financial institutions go bankrupt....
    ...a president who then bailed out those institutions.

    It's true that everything Reagan did pales in comparison with GWB or Obama, but where did they get the precedent?
    You are correct, but the precedent goes back to at least Teddy Roosevelt, and arguably to Abraham Lincoln. Of modern era Presidents, Reagan was the least interventionist of them all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    Ron also repeatedly stated that GWB's 2000 campaign contained a lot of rhetoric he could get behind.
    And IIRC Ron also backed off from supporting Reagan as his presidency went on... just as he did with GWB.
    So, are you saying that although Ron's acceptance of Reagan was acceptable, Rand's is not? I'm confused.
    Diversity finds unity in the message of freedom.

    Dilige et quod vis fac. ~ Saint Augustine

    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Above all I think everyone needs to understand that neither the Bundys nor Finicum were militia or had prior military training. They were, first and foremost, Ranchers who had about all the shit they could take.
    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLYWOOD View Post
    If anything, this situation has proved the government is nothing but a dictatorship backed by deadly force... no different than the dictatorships in the banana republics, just more polished and cleverly propagandized.
    "I'll believe in good cops when they start turning bad cops in."

    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    In a free society there will be bigotry, and racism, and sexism and religious disputes and, and, and.......
    I don't want to live in a cookie cutter, federally mandated society.
    Give me messy freedom every time!



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