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    Why vaccines spread disease; an in-depth analysis of flawed vaccination science

    Why vaccines spread disease; an in-depth analysis of flawed vaccination science

    Tuesday, April 08, 2014 by: Ethan A. Huff,

    Infectious diseases that the system insists have been mostly eradicated due to the advent of vaccines are starting to reemerge, with much of the blame for this being levied on the unvaccinated, who are automatically assumed to be the culprits. But a deeper look into the history of vaccines, how they work and what level of long-term protection they truly provide reveals that these golden calves of modern medicine are actually the vehicles through which infectious disease is being spread, with vaccinated individuals as the primary disease carriers.

    It is the opposite of what we have all been told for decades about the nature of vaccines -- that they produce immunity to diseases that might otherwise kill you, is one common claim, as is the assumption that refusing vaccines leaves one prone to both catching and spreading otherwise uncommon infectious diseases. These and other modern medical myths about vaccines pervade mainstream thinking, and yet they have absolutely no basis in sound science.

    In an extensive rebuttal to a 2012 article written by Forbes' Steven Salzberg that blamed a whooping cough outbreak in the Northwest on unvaccinated children, Dr. Paul G. King, Ph.D., of FAME Systems deconstructs the popular misconception that infectious disease reemergence is the result of people not getting vaccinated. On the contrary, it is the vaccination schedule itself, which the federal government has been coercing people into complying with for nearly the entire last century, that is ultimately leading to and driving these outbreaks.

    "Salsberg is simply using a longstanding 'straw man' created long ago by his fellow vaccine apologists to divert the public's attention from the reality that... the current pertussis vaccines are neither effective in providing those inoculated with them long-term protection from contracting whooping cough nor... cost effective," explains Dr. King in his paper.

    Vaccines as destroyers of natural immunity
    One thing that few people, including many health professionals, fail to understand is that vaccines override the body's innate, or mucosal, immune system. Also known as non-specific immunity, innate immunity is our bodies' primary line of defense against all types of bacteria, toxins and other harmful invaders -- the gatekeeper, if you will, that protects the body's adaptive immune system from having to face these intruders directly.

    Under ideal conditions, the innate immune system kicks into high gear at the first sign of a threat, blocking pathogens from getting past the nose, mouth, digestive tract or other bodily entry point. If for some reason the innate immune system fails at this task, the adaptive immune system picks up where it left off, adapting, as its name implies, to tackle the specific threat.

    But this natural immune response is thwarted by vaccines, which intentionally bypass the innate immune system and go straight for the adaptive immune system. The resultant immune response is both unnatural and completely out of order, generating only temporary and often incomplete immunity as opposed to the lifelong immunity garnered from natural exposure.

    "Whereas natural recovery from many infectious diseases usually stimulates lifetime immunity, vaccines only provide temporary protection and most vaccines require 'booster' doses to extend vaccine-induced artificial immunity," says Barbara Loe Fisher, president and co-founder of the National Vaccine Information Center.

    The same is true for vaccines against pertussis, or whooping cough, which Dr. King, through his extensive research, found only provide a few years of limited protection as opposed to a lifetime of full protection in unvaccinated individuals who contract the disease naturally. The former have to continually get booster shots to maintain their immunity, while the latter are essentially immune for life after contracting the disease once.

    "[A]t best, the current views are that the 'protection' provided by 'pertussis' vaccination lasts no more than 3 years in some percentage of those who are 'fully' vaccinated and initially protected," wrote Dr. King. "In the pre-vaccination era, having a case of whooping cough and recovering from it conservatively provided 10 to 50 years of protection from a re-infection that resulted in a clinical case of whooping cough caused by either B. pertussis or B. parapertussis."

    In other words, unvaccinated individuals who contract mild whooping cough at a young age end up developing lifelong immunity to the disease without the need for a vaccine, and they also never become carriers of the disease. Vaccinated individuals, on the other hand, will never develop lifelong immunity, and will continually have to receive "booster" shots as protection, which the data shows is not always reliable or foolproof and can even lead to vaccine-induced health problems.

    "Unlike the natural disease which appears to confer lifelong immunity, present day pertussis vaccines confer only partial and relative transient protection," wrote Drs. James W. Bass and Stephen R. Stephenson in a 1987 study entitled The return of pertussis. "A high degree of protection persists for 3 years, decreasing thereafter for 12 years after which little or no protection is evident."

    Vaccines as carriers of disease
    If subpar, temporary immunity was the only downside of getting vaccinated, it would be one thing. But the fact of the matter is that vaccinated individuals often end up becoming carriers of the diseases against which they were vaccinated, which is evident from decades of scientific data showing that the current vaccination schedule is directly responsible for bringing back all of these diseases that the media insists were eradicated by vaccines.

    "[T]he current DTaP/Tdap vaccination program in the USA is increasing the percentages of cases of whooping cough that are either caused by B. parapertussis or, as some are beginning to claim, caused by mutated strains of B. pertussis that evade the protective effects of multiple time-displaced inoculations with the current DTaP/Tdap vaccines," explains Dr. King. "[V]accination with a 'pertussis component'-containing vaccine produces some low level of 'B. pertussis' carriers ['Pertussis Harrys'] who... can and do spread B. pertussis to others."

    The recent whooping cough outbreaks in California, Washington, New York and elsewhere also serve as proof of this, as the vast majority of infected individuals in each of these cases had already been "fully" vaccinated for the disease. Not surprisingly, health authorities have been quiet about this inconvenient truth, leading the public to erroneously assume that the unvaccinated are responsible.

    "[T]he reality is that more than 75% of the cases of whooping cough in outbreaks in Washington State since 2002 reportedly have been occurring in 'fully' vaccinated individuals, and this reality continues to be true in the 2012 'epidemic,'" adds Dr. King. "Further, the percentage in the current outbreaks that have a confirmed case of B. pertussis has not been disclosed -- nor is the percentage reported that have a confirmed case of B. parapertussis or another organism that can cause whooping cough."

    For those already infected, Dr. King suggests supplementing with high doses of vitamin C, which he says eliminates the "whoop" and reduces the duration of the disease, as well as taking high doses of natural vitamin D3, which enables the body's immune system to produce site-specific antibiotics to target whooping cough organisms in the respiratory system while protecting gastrointestinal flora, which would otherwise be destroyed by synthetic antibiotics.

    Be sure to check out Dr. King's full study on vaccines here:
    http://dr-king.com.

    Sources for this article include:

    http://dr-king.com

    http://dr-king.com

    http://www.thelibertybeacon.com

    http://science.naturalnews.com

    http://science.naturalnews.com

    http://www.naturalnews.com/044636_va...#ixzz2yIvat5tG
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner



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    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    If vaccines spread disease rather than prevent it, the incidence of disease has to be rising as vaccinations rise. That has not happened. A false premise. When India, a country which had a weak vaccination program, greatly expanded their vaccination programs, there was a huge and dramatic drop in diseases in that country within just a couple of years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    If vaccines spread disease rather than prevent it, the incidence of disease has to be rising as vaccinations rise. That has not happened. A false premise. When India, a country which had a weak vaccination program, greatly expanded their vaccination programs, there was a huge and dramatic drop in diseases in that country within just a couple of years.
    Riiiiiight. 47,500 wound up with non-polio Accute Flaccid Paralysis (AFP) due to the polio vaccine program.

    References:
    http://www.infowars.com/bill-gates-a...-of-paralysis/
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...-campaign.aspx
    http://tv.greenmedinfo.com/suzanne-h...th-conference/
    http://www.whale.to/a/suzanne_humphries.html


    Vaccinated Population Contracting and Spreading Disease They were Vaccinated For
    http://healthimpactnews.com/2012/vac...accinated-for/


    FDA study shows pertussis vaccination spreads pathogenic bacteria
    http://www.naturalnews.com/044162_pe...#ixzz2yJYgf4YK



    Those Vaccinated With The Pertussis Vaccine Are Spreading Disease
    http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/tho...eading-disease


    Children vaccinated with MMR can spread the disease
    http://www.ias.org.nz/vaccines/measl....vNfL1CnI.dpuf



    Whooping Cough Vaccine Does Not Stop Spread of Disease in Lab Animals
    http://news.sciencemag.org/health/20...se-lab-animals
    Last edited by donnay; 04-08-2014 at 11:52 AM.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    I have noticed a push to publish articles against those that are unvaccinated.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...-life/7007955/

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinio...olumn/5992077/

    etc. etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    I have noticed a push to publish articles against those that are unvaccinated.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...-life/7007955/

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinio...olumn/5992077/

    etc. etc.

    Oh indeed. Keep pouring out the lies and blame a group of people so they can become easy targets for more medical tyranny. Divide and conquer.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Oh indeed. Keep pouring out the lies and blame a group of people so they can become easy targets for more medical tyranny. Divide and conquer.
    I'm thinking more that "Dr. Mengele style FEMA human experimentation camps" are in store for many dissenters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Riiiiiight. 47,500 wound up with non-polio Accute Flaccid Paralysis (AFP) due to the polio vaccine program.
    No, they didn't. We have already debunked the claim in these articles, so why do you keep posting them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cap View Post
    I'm thinking more that "Dr. Mengele style FEMA human experimentation camps" are in store for many dissenters.
    The sad things is... human experimentation is already happening and has been happening for a very long time.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Madison View Post
    No, they didn't. We have already debunked the claim in these articles, so why do you keep posting them?
    No you haven't. I bring it up because Zippy continues to bring it up as some kind of example.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    No you haven't. I bring it up because Zippy continues to bring it up as some kind of example.
    Yes, we have. Make a claim, and I will debunk it.
    Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives. -James Madison

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Madison View Post
    Yes, we have. Make a claim, and I will debunk it.
    Actually the numbers of AFP out of India is higher.

    http://www.mapsofindia.com/my-india/...io-free-status
    http://www.telegraphindia.com/112011...p#.U0RAUFfOqIw
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    The paralysis being reported is not caused by Polio. It says so right in the title.

    These cases were probably common for centuries, but only with the eradication of Polio do we attribute them to something other than 'Polio'. Do you really believe that a poor country like India can afford to test every child with paralysis for Polio? Of course not.
    Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives. -James Madison

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Madison View Post
    The paralysis being reported is not caused by Polio. It says so right in the title.

    These cases were probably common for centuries, but only with the eradication of Polio do we attribute them to something other than 'Polio'. Do you really believe that a poor country like India can afford to test every child with paralysis for Polio? Of course not.
    OPVs have been phased out in western countries because of their high incidence of adverse side effects. This type of vaccine was developed by Dr. Albert Sabin and FDA approved in 1963. The viruses in this vaccine are not dead. They are merely "attenuated" but still alive.

    What is done with OPVs that are produced but banned in the West? Dump them on third world countries with the humanitarian cover that they are less expensive and easier to administer to large groups simultaneously.

    Outbreaks of paralysis using labels other than polio, such as NPAFP (non-polio acute flaccid paralysis), conveniently obscures polio outbreaks among vaccinated populations. Experts outside the vaccination dogma box point out there are other polio type maladies with different names, including NPAFP, Guillain-Barre Syndrome, and others.

    Some incidents of vaccine-derived poliovirus (VDPV) from OPVs are reported, which is why OPVs were banned in the West. Those polio episodes can be vaccine-associated polio paralysis (VAPP). VAPP affects only those who had consumed the OPVs.

    Yet there are other ways OPVs can spread polio. Family members, friends, even villagers associated with those who took OPVs can be infected from viral shedding.

    Viral shedding is common among OPV vaccinated persons and those inoculated with attenuated live viruses. The attenuated viruses become more virulent after residing in the vaccinated person's body. Upon excretion, water and materials exposed to the urine or stool has been known to spread this now more virulent polio virus to others.

    Read more on case histories of OPVs' causing polio in the USA and Nigeria, both to vaccine recipients and to others from rejuvenated viruses shed by those who were vaccinated: http://www.naturalnews.com/026951_va...ccination.html.

    This "Last Mile" campaign has caused many to walk their last mile. A lot of money has been spent for this campaign, money that could have been used more wisely on improving general basic living health conditions to minimize all diseases.

    When millions are spent on vaccinations instead of improving basic sanitation and potable water in poorly developed regions, there is another agenda behind the humanitarian cover story.
    http://www.naturalnews.com/035627_po...#ixzz2yK0gi0Q8
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    OPVs have been phased out in western countries because of their high incidence of adverse side effects. This type of vaccine was developed by Dr. Albert Sabin and FDA approved in 1963. The viruses in this vaccine are not dead. They are merely "attenuated" but still alive.
    Viruses are not alive to begin with. Attenuated viruses retain increased antigenicity but are unlikely to cause any signs or symptoms of infection and even less likely to produce the flaccid paralysis observed in Polio.

    Outbreaks of paralysis using labels other than polio, such as NPAFP (non-polio acute flaccid paralysis), conveniently obscures polio outbreaks among vaccinated populations. Experts outside the vaccination dogma box point out there are other polio type maladies with different names, including NPAFP, Guillain-Barre Syndrome, and others
    Translation: People who have no idea what they are talking about, have no formal training in immunology, virology, or medicine, and who prey on gullible people to make a profit.

    If you want to claim non-polio acute flaccid paralysis is caused by polio vaccines, why don't the sick test positive for Polio?

    Viral shedding is common among OPV vaccinated persons and those inoculated with attenuated live viruses. The attenuated viruses become more virulent after residing in the vaccinated person's body. Upon excretion, water and materials exposed to the urine or stool has been known to spread this now more virulent polio virus to others.
    This is a flat-out lie. Attenuated viruses, as I explained above, illicit a stronger immune response, but are unlikely to cause any outward signs of infection. In the unlikely event of viral shedding, the virus is highly mutated, which -despite public misconception- is not synonymous with 'virulent'.

    When millions are spent on vaccinations instead of improving basic sanitation and potable water in poorly developed regions, there is another agenda behind the humanitarian cover story.
    And, of course, no NaturalNews story would be complete without a good, unsubstantiated conspiracy theory.
    Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives. -James Madison

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    Natural News again? Guillen Barre syndrome is not polio. Non- polio accute flacid paralysis is not polio (note the "non- polio" portion of its name). Both are caused by a different (though related) virus than the polio virus. Just as the flu is caused by many different viruses. You get the flu- you are immune to that one version. But if you get exposed to a different flu virus, you can get sick again. You aren't immune to all types of flu viruses.

    The polio vaccine has been given to billions of people worldwide (over a billion in India alone). How many cases of non-polio accute flacid paralysis have occured globally? How many in the US (over 200 million vaccinated against polio)? If it is a major side effect of vaccines, there should be millions of them. Instead it is very rare.



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    A child gets vaccinated and is from that moment on protected from the vaccine virus, correct? We all realize that vaccines are not 100% failproof, but is that the only concern?

    If it only were that simple. The fact is that once a child is injected with a live virus vaccine (and let’s assume that this child is immune as a result of it) there are still other things to consider which most parents do not know about and most pediatricians fail to warn about – which is vaccine shedding!

    Shedding is when the live virus that is injected via vaccine, moves through the human body and comes back out in the feces, droplets from the nose, or saliva from the mouth. Anyone who takes care of the child could potentially contract the disease for some time after that child has received certain live vaccines. This was a huge problem with the oral polio vaccine, and was one of the reasons why it was taken off the market in the US.

    The OPV is still used in developing counties.

    Secondary transmission happens fairly often with some of the live virus vaccines. Influenza, varicella, and Oral Polio Vaccine (OPV) are the most common. On the other hand it may happen very seldom or not ever with the measles and mumps vaccine viruses.

    Here are the vaccines that shed or have been known to result in secondary transmission:

    Measles Vaccine - Although secondary transmission of the vaccine virus has never been documented, measles virus RNA has been detected in the urine of the vaccinees as early as 1 day or as late as 14 days after vaccination. (1)

    In France, measles virus was isolated in a throat swab of a recently vaccinated child 4 days after fever onset. The virus was then further genetically characterised as a vaccine-type virus. (2)

    Rubella Vaccine - Excretion of small amounts of live attenuated rubella virus from the nose and throat has occurred in the majority of susceptible individuals 7-28 days after vaccination. Transmission of the vaccine virus via breast milk has been documented. (3)

    Chicken Pox Vaccine - Vaccine-strain chickenpox has been found replicating in the lung (4) and documented as transmtting via zoster (shingles sores) (5) as well as “classic” chickenpox (6) rash post-vaccination.

    Oral Polio Vaccine (OPV) - In areas of the world where OPV is still used, children who have been vaccinated with it pass the virus into the water supply through the oral/feces route. Other children who then play in or drink that water pick up the vaccine viruses, which can pass from person to person and spark new outbreaks of polio. (7) *
    http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/...cine-shedding/

    With the live Oral Polio Vaccine, babies shed the living polio virus for 2 months following ingestion. at which point they are given another dose, and they are kept full of living polio virus for a total of 6 months in the beginning of their lives. This method was given to babies for several decades without any problems, because rarely does this attenuated strain of Polio living viral vaccine regain virulence for humans, only a dozen cases a year appeared across America, and none of them amounted to paralysis. This is because the polio virus is no longer 'wild', and less virulent.
    http://www.trackingvaccinations.com/allfiles/polio.htm

    other references of shedding:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8228342
    https://idsa.confex.com/idsa/2012/we...aper34554.html
    http://www.nvic.org/vaccines-and-dis...olio-SV40.aspx
    http://www.vaccineriskawareness.com/Vaccine-Shedding
    http://vaxtruth.org/2013/09/dont-tel...ot-chickenpox/
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    OOh. Shock. Somebody exposed to a virus (via vaccine or natural exposure) can possibly infect somebody for a period of a day to a week or so afterwards. Your body has to react to the virus and develop its immunity. That is not instantaneous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    OOh. Shock. Somebody exposed to a virus (via vaccine or natural exposure) can possibly infect somebody for a period of a day to a week or so afterwards. Your body has to react to the virus and develop its immunity. That is not instantaneous.
    In case you missed it.

    "With the live Oral Polio Vaccine, babies shed the living polio virus for 2 months following ingestion. at which point they are given another dose, and they are kept full of living polio virus for a total of 6 months in the beginning of their lives."

    Think about the conditions in India? Not a lot of good clean water, sanitation and good hygiene.

    Sanitation and Disease

    Illnesses caused by germs and worms in feces, wastes and pollutants are constant source of discomfort for millions of people and animals. These illnesses can cause many years of sickness and can lead to other health problems such as dehydration, anaemia, and malnutrition. Severe sanitation-related illnesses like cholera can spread rapidly, bringing sudden death to many people. Children have a high risk of illness from poor sanitation. While adults may live with diarrheal diseases and worms, children die from these illnesses. More than 300 million episodes of acute diarrhoea occur every year in India in children below 5 years of age. Of the 9.2 million cases of TB that occur in the world every year, nearly 1.9 million are in India accounting for one-fifth of the global TB cases. More than 1.5 million persons are infected with malaria every year. Diseases like dengue and chikungunya have emerged in different parts of India and a population of over 300 million is at risk of getting acute encephalitis syndrome/Japanese encephalitis. One-third of global cases infected with filaria live in India. Nearly half of leprosy cases detected in the world in 2008 were contributed by India (MOHFW 2010: 14).

    Sanitation Infrastructure

    India has a population of almost 1.2 billion people. Fifty five percent of this population (nearly 600 million people) has no access to toilets. Most of these numbers are made up by people who live in urban slums and rural areas. A large populace in the rural areas still defecates in the open. Slum dwellers in major metropolitan cities, reside along railway tracks and have no access to toilets or a running supply of water. India is still lagging far behind many countries in the field of sanitation. According to Harshal T. Pandve (2008), most cities and towns in India are characterized by over-crowding, congestion, inadequate water supply and inadequate facilities of disposal of human excreta, wastewater and solid wastes. No major city in India is known to have a continuous water supply and an estimated 72% of Indians still lack access to improved sanitation facilities. Besides this, the 63 percent of urban population in India is without proper sanitation. Besides these, the waste disposal and sewage treatment plants are missing in most of the cities. Most of the wastes are disposed in rivers, canals or outskirts of the cities. The 11th five year plan envisages 100% coverage of urban water, urban sewerage, and rural sanitation by 2012. Although investment in water supply and sanitation has seen a jump in the 11th plan over the 10th plan, the targets do not take into account both the quality of water being provided, or the sustainability of systems being put in place (Kumar, Kar, and Jain 2011).
    http://www.sociologyofsanitation.com....0H9sm66h.dpuf
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    In case you missed it.

    "With the live Oral Polio Vaccine, babies shed the living polio virus for 2 months following ingestion. at which point they are given another dose, and they are kept full of living polio virus for a total of 6 months in the beginning of their lives."

    Think about the conditions in India? Not a lot of good clean water, sanitation and good hygiene.


    http://www.sociologyofsanitation.com....0H9sm66h.dpuf
    And yet they massively reduced illness in just a couple years. How? Vaccinations!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    And yet they massively reduced illness in just a couple years. How? Vaccinations!
    And what source is that you're parroting from?
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    How do YOU think they did it? (You already agreed it wasn't due to improving water and sanitation). India had the highest number of measles cases in the world. Three years later they were among the lowest. Ditto on polio. 750 million a year were vaccinated.

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    More info on the non- polio flacid paralysis:
    http://www.scielosp.org/scielo.php?p...pt=sci_arttext

    Our findings demonstrate that the risk of VAPP is lower in India compared to previous analyses in Latin America (2) or in industrialized countries (3, 4). Since we reported our findings, surveillance data from India for 2000 and 2001 have become available. These data show a decreasing trend in the total number of VAPP cases from 181 in 1999, to 129 in 2000, and 109 in 2001, suggesting that the 1999 data (and associated risks) were not stable. Massive exposure to more than 750 million doses of OPV in India in 1999 alone probably resulted in a "catch-up phenomenon" exposing many children to the first "immunizing" dose of OPV, with the associated increased risk of VAPP. Only data from subsequent years will allow calculation of a more precise VAPP estimate under conditions approximating a steady state in India.

    Thus, we are confronted with a situation where the risk is exceedingly small, but the total number of VAPP cases is increasingly of concern. We believe that the established methods of calculating VAPP risk estimates will continue to have their utility, and should not be abandoned. However, the total number of VAPP cases that communities will have to bear in an increasingly polio-free world (5) may be driving polio vaccination policy decisions to a much greater degree. To assist the process, The World Health Organization is committed to preparing an estimate of the global VAPP burden in the near future.
    So the occurance of it in India is actually LOWER than its occurance in Latin America and Industrialized countries (like the US) and the number of new cases is falling. The numbers may sound high but that is in a country of 1.2 billion people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    More info on the non- polio flacid paralysis:
    http://www.scielosp.org/scielo.php?p...pt=sci_arttext



    So the occurance of it in India is actually LOWER than its occurance in Latin America and Industrialized countries (like the US) and the number of new cases is falling. The numbers may sound high but that is in a country of 1.2 billion people.
    We discontinued the OPV here, guess who is getting the overstocked supplies?
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner



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  29. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    We discontinued the OPV here, guess who is getting the overstocked supplies?
    We have discontinued the oral polio vaccine? Since when? Both are still in use.

    http://www.vaccines.gov/diseases/polio/
    Polio used to be very common in the U.S. and caused severe illness in thousands of people each year before polio vaccine was introduced in 1955. Most people infected with the polio virus have no symptoms, however for the less than one percent who develop paralysis (cannot move arms or legs) it may result in permanent disability and even death.

    There are two types of vaccine that protect against polio: Inactivated Polio Vaccine (IPV) and Oral Polio Vaccine (OPV). IPV, used in the U.S. since 2000, is given as an injection in the leg or arm, depending on age. OPV is taken by mouth. Polio vaccine may be given at the same time as other vaccines.

  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    We have discontinued the oral polio vaccine? Since when? Both are still in use.

    http://www.vaccines.gov/diseases/polio/
    As of 1999, use of OPV was discontinued in the U.S. and replaced with inactivated, injectable polio vaccine, which cannot cause vaccine strain polio. However, OPV is used widely in annual polio vaccine campaigns targeting children in parts of Asia, Africa and the Middle East.
    http://www.nvic.org/vaccines-and-dis...olio-SV40.aspx
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  31. #27
    Thank you- I do stand corrected on that point.



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