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    Armed Feds Prepare For Showdown With Nevada Cattle Rancher

    A Ruby Ridge-style standoff is brewing in Nevada, where dozens of armed federal agents are closing in on cattle rancher Cliven Bundy over claims that Bundy has allowed his cows to graze illegally on government land, endangering a protected species of tortoise.

    Vowing to take a stand for, “your liberty and freedom,” Bundy says he is prepared to be killed as authorities surround a 600,000 acre section of public land as a result of Bundy violating a 1993 Bureau of Land Management ruling which changed grazing rights in order to protect the endangered desert tortoise.

    “With all these rangers and all this force that is out here, they are only after one man right now. They are after Cliven Bundy. Whether they want to incarcerate me or whether they want to shoot me in the back, they are after me. But that is not all that is at stake here. Your liberty and freedom is at stake,” Bundy said.

    Bundy’s refusal to recognize federal authority over the land under dispute and his failure to pay tens of thousands of dollars in grazing fees stems from his assertion that his family’s history trumps bureaucracy.

    “My forefathers have been up and down the Virgin Valley ever since 1877. All these rights I claim have been created through pre-emptive rights and beneficial use of the forage and water. I have been here longer. My rights are before the BLM even existed,” Bundy said.

    Accusing feds of seizing Nevada’s sovereignty, Bundy says he has fought the battle legally, through the media, and is now gearing up to fight it physically.

    “Armed agents are forming a a military-like staging area to prevent anyone from approaching the area,” writes Mike Paczesny.

    Bundy asserts that his case is emblematic of how America has been transformed into a “police state,” labeling the government’s actions “pathetic”.

    Hundreds of federal officials, aided by helicopters, low flying aircraft and hired cowboys, began rounding up Bundy’s cattle on Saturday as Bundy accused them of “trespassing,” adding that the impact will only serve to raise beef prices for residents of Las Vegas 80 miles away.

    Feds postponed a similar raid in 2012 over fears the action would spur violence. Bundy has drawn a lot of support from the local community and protesters are heading to the area to demand authorities back off. Officials have created a taped off “First Amendment Area” where demonstrators can voice their concerns. A sign placed inside the area reads “Welcome to Amerika – Wake Up” alongside a hammer and sickle logo.

    “The rights were created for us,” Bundy told the Las Vegas Review Journal. “I have the right to use the forage. I have water rights. I have access rights. I have range improvement rights, and I claim all the other rights that the citizens of Nevada have, whether it’s to camp, to fish or to go off road.”

    Addressing the justification of seizing the cattle to protect a species of tortoise, Bundy stated, “I’ll never get it. If it weren’t for our cattle, there’d be more brush fires out here. The tortoises eat the cow manure, too. It’s filled with protein.”

    A Ruby Ridge-style standoff is brewing in Nevada, where dozens of armed federal agents are closing in on cattle rancher Cliven Bundy over claims that Bundy has allowed his cows to graze illegally on government land, endangering a protected species of tortoise.

    Vowing to take a stand for, “your liberty and freedom,” Bundy says he is prepared to be killed as authorities surround a 600,000 acre section of public land as a result of Bundy violating a 1993 Bureau of Land Management ruling which changed grazing rights in order to protect the endangered desert tortoise.
    “With all these rangers and all this force that is out here, they are only after one man right now. They are after Cliven Bundy. Whether they want to incarcerate me or whether they want to shoot me in the back, they are after me. But that is not all that is at stake here. Your liberty and freedom is at stake,” Bundy said.
    Bundy’s refusal to recognize federal authority over the land under dispute and his failure to pay tens of thousands of dollars in grazing fees stems from his assertion that his family’s history trumps bureaucracy.
    “My forefathers have been up and down the Virgin Valley ever since 1877. All these rights I claim have been created through pre-emptive rights and beneficial use of the forage and water. I have been here longer. My rights are before the BLM even existed,” Bundy said.
    Accusing feds of seizing Nevada’s sovereignty, Bundy says he has fought the battle legally, through the media, and is now gearing up to fight it physically.
    “Armed agents are forming a a military-like staging area to prevent anyone from approaching the area,” writes Mike Paczesny.
    Bundy asserts that his case is emblematic of how America has been transformed into a “police state,” labeling the government’s actions “pathetic”.
    Hundreds of federal officials, aided by helicopters, low flying aircraft and hired cowboys, began rounding up Bundy’s cattle on Saturday as Bundy accused them of “trespassing,” adding that the impact will only serve to raise beef prices for residents of Las Vegas 80 miles away.
    Feds postponed a similar raid in 2012 over fears the action would spur violence. Bundy has drawn a lot of support from the local community and protesters are heading to the area to demand authorities back off. Officials have created a taped off “First Amendment Area” where demonstrators can voice their concerns. A sign placed inside the area reads “Welcome to Amerika – Wake Up” alongside a hammer and sickle logo.
    “The rights were created for us,” Bundy told the Las Vegas Review Journal. “I have the right to use the forage. I have water rights. I have access rights. I have range improvement rights, and I claim all the other rights that the citizens of Nevada have, whether it’s to camp, to fish or to go off road.”
    Addressing the justification of seizing the cattle to protect a species of tortoise, Bundy stated, “I’ll never get it. If it weren’t for our cattle, there’d be more brush fires out here. The tortoises eat the cow manure, too. It’s filled with protein.”
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    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    If we were the men we were 200 odd years ago, the feds would find themselves surrounded by 10,000 armed men.

    But we are not.

    So they do not find themselves thusly surrounded.

    Godspeed Cliven Bundy.
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    So did he start paying the grazing fees and then stopped? Or he's never paid them?

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    Where's the sheriff?
    You beat me to it. Apparently he has his head in the sand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSP-Rebel View Post
    Where's the sheriff?
    It's Clark County. Corruption galore.
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    Related, and so ironic-

    Government plans to euthanize hundreds of desert tortoises after budget cuts to refuge
    By George Chidi
    Sunday, August 25, 2013
    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/08/2...uts-to-refuge/



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    Did anyone read their statement?

    http://mvprogress.com/2014/04/06/one...ndup-incident/

    A large number of BLM law enforcement officers have been dispatched to the area to assist and provide protection the contractors during the operation. BLM officials will not say just how many of these officers are on the ground. But they insist that these forces are necessary, given the tension in the area regarding this action.

    “Mr Bundy has created a larger burden to the taxpayers through his statements,” said National Park Service spokeswoman Christie Vanover during a press conference call held Sunday afternoon. “He has said that he will ‘do whatever it takes’ and that his response to the impound will ‘have to be more physical’. When threats are made that could jeopardize the safety of the American people, the contractors and our personnel; we have the responsibility to provide law enforcement to account for their safety. The greater the threats, the more security that is needed to provide public safety and the greater the cost to the American taxpayer. We are hopeful that lawful protests don’t escalate to illegal activity.”
    Huh??
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    I have nothing against wild horses, but couldn't have the enviros handled this a different way? You're telling there wasn't a compromise to be found outside the realm of the federal government?

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/...ckers/7380255/

    It's a battle that has raged since the 1980s when the Sagebrush Rebellion challenged federal ownership of Nevada rangeland ranchers said was rightfully theirs.

    During the past 10 years, horse advocates have been more the aggressors, asking courts to block roundups they say violate the Wild Free-Roaming Horses and Burro Act of 1971. But in recent months, ranchers have again gone back on the attack.

    The Nevada Farm Bureau Federation and Nevada Association of Counties sued the government in U.S. District Court in Reno in December seeking to force the BLM to step up roundups and, if necessary, sell excess mustangs for slaughter — something they say is allowed under the law but that the federal agency has resisted.

    Earlier this week, a federal magistrate judge in Reno granted horse advocates' request to become a party in that case based on their argument no one else involved — including the BLM — has the horses' best interest in mind.

    In Utah, Iron County commissioners had threatened to gather up hundreds of mustangs themselves, saying the horses threaten livestock and wildlife on rangelands already damaged by drought.

    "We will take whatever action we have to take to reduce those numbers immediately," Commissioner David Miller told the Salt Lake Tribune.

    But BLM State Director Juan Palma, in an email sent Friday to Miller, said he is committed to working with the county in developing a plan to reduce the number of horses, The Spectrum of St. George, Utah, reported.

    "Both the BLM and Iron County have a shared interest in the well-being of the range and all who rely in its health. ... Additionally, (we have) our shared interest in the well-being of sustainable populations of our wild horses," Palma wrote.
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    “Mr Bundy has created a larger burden to the taxpayers through his statements,”
    Yeah, this argument goes over well with the law and order crowd.

    Usually they use it against "greasy hippy protesters" but I guess it works against a farmer about to be terminated, as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Yeah, this argument goes over well with the law and order crowd.

    Usually they use it against "greasy hippy protesters" but I guess it works against a farmer about to be terminated, as well.
    Since when do they care about the American taxpayer? LOL This is news to me.

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    Officials have created a taped off “First Amendment Area” where demonstrators can voice their concerns.
    I absolutely cannot believe we stood for this horse$#@!!! The First Amendment area is on all public land. How dare they mark off some little area and tell me that is the only place I can say what I damn want to!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Federal Snipers Train Guns on Family For Filming Cattle
    Paul Joseph Watson
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    April 7, 2014

    Federal snipers with the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) trained guns on members of a family yesterday after they dared to stop and take video footage of cattle outside the bounds of a designated “First Amendment Area,” before arresting one of the men for non-compliance.

    Image: Sniper Training (YouTube).

    The cattle were being rounded up by BLM officers as part of a crackdown on Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, who has refused to pay “grazing fees” demanded by the feds as a result of a re-classification of 600,000 acres of federal land in northeastern Clark County which Bundy claims has been in his family for generations.

    Some fear the dispute could turn into a Ruby Ridge-style violent standoff because Bundy has said he is prepared to become a martyr for what he perceives as a constitutional stance against tyranny.

    As we reported earlier, the feds have now started rounding up Bundy’s cattle in the name of protecting a supposedly endangered species, the desert tortoise, forbidding Bundy from interfering or even entering the vast area. The case is quickly turning into another iconic battle between big government and a besieged family.

    Fears that the confrontation may turn violent and concerns that Bundy is drawing increased support from liberty activists and the local community prompted the feds to tape off two ridiculous “First Amendment Areas,” outside of which free speech in support of Bundy is banned. A sign placed inside the area reads “Welcome to Amerika – Wake Up” alongside a hammer and sickle logo.

    When Bundy’s family members violated that rule yesterday in an attempt to peacefully document the cattle roundup, they were met with a barrage of loudspeaker warnings and four BLM snipers with their guns trained on the dissenters.

    http://www.infowars.com/federal-snip...ilming-cattle/

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    I sincerely hope there's locals who've drawn beads on the governments snipers...

    This is $#@!ed up!

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    I am Cliven Bundy.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner



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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    I am Cliven Bundy.
    I am Ed Brown.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 04-07-2014 at 05:48 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    Since when do they care about the American taxpayer? LOL This is news to me.
    They don't, it's pure bull$#@!.

    They just spread it out there for consumption by Boobus.

    Psy-War on Us.

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    When Bundy’s family members violated that rule yesterday in an attempt to peacefully document the cattle roundup, they were met with a barrage of loudspeaker warnings and four BLM snipers with their guns trained on the dissenters.
    Freedom.

    Now you know what all those weapons and billions of rounds of ammo were for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    I absolutely cannot believe we stood for this horse$#@!!! The First Amendment area is on all public land. How dare they mark off some little area and tell me that is the only place I can say what I damn want to!!!!!!!!!!!
    Where is the taped off Second Amendment Area? I want to reserve a foxhole there.
    Out of every one hundred men they send us, ten should not even be here. Eighty will do nothing but serve as targets for the enemy. Nine are real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, upon them depends our success in battle. But one, ah the one, he is a real warrior, and he will bring the others back from battle alive.

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    Nevada is Bandito territory....

    Wonder if this dudes family has contacted the local chapter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSP-Rebel View Post
    Where's the sheriff?
    Too busy giving out freedom permits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I am Ed Thompson.
    who be dat?
    "Sorry, fellows, the rebellion is off. We couldn't get a rebellion permit."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Freedom.

    Now you know what all those weapons and billions of rounds of ammo were for.
    I wonder what the snipers use?
    "Sorry, fellows, the rebellion is off. We couldn't get a rebellion permit."



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    Poor bastard. Probably gave his own own eulogy.........

    “With all these rangers and all this force that is out here, they are only after one man right now. They are after Cliven Bundy. Whether they want to incarcerate me or whether they want to shoot me in the back, they are after me. But that is not all that is at stake here. Your liberty and freedom is at stake,”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tod View Post
    I wonder what the snipers use?
    H S Series 2000.

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    for those of you who are always asking "is it time yet?" ... guess what.

    anyone willing to go, PM me I could use a lift

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    How many people are these guys going to use to cordon off 600,000 acres ?

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