Rand Paul, Massie and Amash are really the only republicans I can stomach. Who do you feel is also good?Originally Posted by AuH20
A society that places equality before freedom with get neither; A society that places freedom before equality will yield high degrees of both
Make a move and plead the 5th because you can't plead the 1st
I think I'd choose her over Ayotte if you forced me to choose.
There are many in the House, but they are outnumbered by establishment Republicans. Rohrabacher, Sensenbrenner, Schweikert, Labrador, Jim Jordan & Gohmert to name just a few.
Last edited by AuH20; 04-04-2014 at 09:48 PM.
She mirrors Ron Paul's foreign policy ideals: she's strongly opposed to foreign interventionism as well as sanctions and invites and looks forward to as many debates on this issue as possible. I'll never understand why Democrats couldn't see the bull$#@! spewed by the likes of Obama, Kerry (in 2004), Hillary, etc. But my gut (which has been right so far) says this lady is the real thing on foreign policy. Here she talks in a forum with David Swanson (who worked with Dennis Kucinich in congress) at a question and answer session regarding foreign policy:
Last edited by charrob; 04-04-2014 at 11:27 PM.
But this time it'll be different. I promise.
Maine is a state where Ron Paul was strong in 2012. Actually won at the convention. etc. But now there's really nothing left from that victory.
Collins should have a primary challenge. She's one of the worst of the RINOs. There should be a good solid challenger to Collins, if we were able to keep focused, keep out sht together. And we didn't do that at all. Pretty much since we won that May, everything has been total fail.
I heard that a Texan, or Texas organization went to a local offering $5 Million, and he couldn't think of any one to run.
Collins is popular, she's likely to win.
Every Republican > Every Democrat
prefers an honest f'ed up democrat over a lying f'ed up republican.
2016 gop est business as usual, rules do not apply.
Maybe I could see that point , but there are no anti war Dems , truth be , most are worse , and most are worse on everything else as well . Collins is a socialist , this one , probably be a commie like the rest of the Dem senate , you think she tells Reid " No " , I do not think so .
There are no honest Dems at the national level , nor will there ever be .
Any Dem in the senate serves one god , that is Reid .
Here in CA I simply look at who the Republican and the Democrat is in any given race, then check one of the other boxes on the ballot. Unless there is some viable game theory type payback strategy involving one of the two dominant party candidates.
Last edited by anaconda; 04-05-2014 at 12:46 AM.
If her foreign policy really mirrors that of Ron Paul's along with what's stated in the title, she's an immensely better option. Questioning that is absurd, if what has been stated about her is true. Either way, an anti-war Dem > fiscally conservative war-hawk, in my book. Foreign policy is by far my biggest issue. Furthermore, being anti-war means less spending as it is, which is a form of fiscal conservatism in itself. I understand there are some TEAM RED AT ALL COSTS posters on this board, though.
Like this guy over here:
I'd say Bellows, without hesitation. Why? We send two messages:
1) Republicans who are illiberal will not necessarily have our support simply because they are Republicans.
2) Democrats who embrace civil liberties may be rewarded with support outside their traditional constituencies.
And when lefty Republicans go down, the others notice.
Never, never trust a Prog.
*spit*
The default starting mindset that government is good in everything except for a certain things, is not and never will be better than the mindset beginning from the other way around.
That's fair. Although I'd question whether Collins' mindset does even begin from the latter conviction. I think she just wishes government were maybe a bit more efficient.
You are forgetting the Michaud factor. His governor bid is attracting national attention and money. The first elected openly gay governor is a big deal for the gay lobby. So democratic turnout will be abnormally high. Bellows could win on Michaud's coattails.
Agree. Collins is one of the worse. She would never get my vote, ever. There is no GOP challenger, so the GOP has decided to go with evil.
On the other hand, I have never, ever voted for a Democrat. Their love of big government and big spending disqualifies them, just like it disqualifies Collins.
Now the rhetoric of Bellows, if honest, could make her an exception. Having a Democrat Senator that would truly work with Rand and Amash would be a great thing.
What's the risk? She has no voting record. She could be dishonest. Judging from some of her rhetoric, she could become the "there's a war on women", "men are pigs", "any action taken by Big Sister Hillary is good" Senator. A new Senator in lockstep with president Hillary would not be a good thing. Would she become pro-war under Hillary? It's been known to happen.
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anti war is more important than anything else. anti nsa is simply right. pro pot... this candidate has the correct stance on some of the simplest, most important issues out there.
if she has the guts to call out Harry Reid and Collins on these, how can you not be pulling for her?
thanks for the reality check. i'd be hoping for a Kucinich type. Kucinich tended to have Ron's back.Would she become pro-war under Hillary? It's been known to happen.
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just a libertarian - no caucus
Collins isn't even good on economics.
Stop believing stupid things
How bad is he?
On a scale of one to ten, ten being awful.
FU, you sir are exactly why the gop establishment are still in power blindly voting for $#@!ed up republicans. I see republican and they are not liberty oriented and you vote for them? then you enable the lying republican who deceives you.
every republican over every democrat. you sound like establishments DREAM VOTER!!!
Last edited by speciallyblend; 04-06-2014 at 06:19 AM.
2016 gop est business as usual, rules do not apply.
honest as in at least they say exactly what they want vs a lying republican deceiving you. nor will there ever be an honest republican as long as you vote blindly for a republican. I will take a dem close to ron paul then a republican liar further from ron paul.
2016 gop est business as usual, rules do not apply.
I'd say 7 or so. On local issues he's ok more often than not, but nationally tows the party line.
same can be said about 97% of elected republicans. "selective republicans"= ones that say they are for liberty like for gun rights but want to arrest you for marijuana or be your bedroom.THEY MUST BE DEFEATED and REMOVED ASAP!!!! SELECTIVE REPUBLICANS MUST GO, they are scum of the gop.
Last edited by speciallyblend; 04-06-2014 at 06:30 AM.
2016 gop est business as usual, rules do not apply.
Yeah, probably not voting in that race, or just not thinking about it.
In the Governors race, LePage has been solid. Like him. That's the race to care about.
There's an easy method of dealing with RINOs and no one challenged Collins. Technically, one did and then dropped out. That would've been the time to care about that US Senate race.
This particular race is definitely one to simply ignore. Whatever arguments people used last time around to not get involved would apply here. Or there will probably be a 3rd Party candidate on the ballot.
I like Bellows communications director, a local music guy. One of Maine's most accomplished local musicians. The "bands for Bellows" concert would be much better than the "bands for Collins" concert, if there were those things.
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Michaud's "coattails". I don't think so. The last time Collins ran was in 2008. The Democrat had Obama's coattails. Even when there are a ton of Democrats voting, as in 2008, Collins won handily. Democrats like Collins in Maine. There is no reason to think that Collins won't just sail through easily. In 2008, Collins won 61 to 39. Not close at all. She beat the Congressman from CD1, Tom Allen. Bellows is nowhere near as well known as Tom Allen was. Obama won, at the same time, 58-40.
Democrats and Independents like Collins. It's the Conservative GOP who doesn't like Collins.
In the Governors race, you have a close race with LePage, Michaud and Cutler. In the Senate race, you have the basically same situation as in 2008, with a popular Collins beating the Democrat.
First Black President crushes First Gay Governor in terms of turnout. There were very few Mainers who didn't want "First Black President" but that wouldn't be said for "First Gay Governor".
Michaud may or may not win, Michaud being gay might or might not drive up turnout of Dems. But Michaud being gay doesn't make the voters not like Collins. The voters do like Collins - Indies and Dems in particular. I don't see that Collins race as close at all, even if Bellows has a rockstar communications director.
2014 is a GOP year, so there's that to take into consideration as well.
Please name one honest Democrat. I can name two dozen great Republicans in Congress. The rest of the Republicans are still better than nearly all of the Democrats.
Ron Wyden seems to be the only democrat willing to buck the power structure. And I agree that we have some great Republicans but they are simply outnumbered.
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