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    Why Does John Boehner Want to Keep 40 Million Americans From Buying Guns?

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    Reacting to the shooting at Fort Hood on Wednesday, House Speaker John Boehner reiterated a popular NRA talking point: "There’s no question that those with mental health issues should be prevented from owning weapons or being able to purchase weapons." Those suffering the same diagnosed illnesses as the shooter — depression and anxiety — might be surprised by Boehner's willingness to take away their Second Amendment rights.
    [...]
    An estimated one-in-10 Americans suffers from depression, according to the Centers for Disease Control. That's about 31 million people, skewed told older people and women. The National Institutes of Health puts those suffering from "major depressive disorder" at the lower figure of 14.8 million. As for anxiety? The NIH says that 40 million Americans suffer from that.

    Even if Lopez had been diagnosed with PTSD, that's still sweeping up 7.7 million Americans — 2.5 percent of the country. Who John Boehner, it seems, doesn't think should be allowed to have a gun.

    That's almost certainly not actually what he believes. His comments, as The Hill's Russell Berman reports, came in the middle of an event at the Capitol. After saying there was "no question" that people with mental illness shouldn't be allowed to buy or own guns, he went on: "we need to continue to look at to find a way to keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn’t have them."
    [...]
    This is the problem with using mental health as the screen for gun ownership: for many of those who commit acts of random violence, those acts are the first manifestations of more serious mental health issues. And, furthermore, as the millions of depressed and anxious Americans can attest, only a tiny, tiny percentage of those with mental illness — mild or strong — would ever commit such acts.

    But if Boehner is willing, at last, to support dramatic gun control efforts, there are almost certainly people on the other side of the aisle who'd be happy to work with him.
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    screw the NRA and Boehner. Two compromisers on gun rights.
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    How about we go after the doctors and Big pHARMa for the pills that are making these people have mental health issue? But Boehner (pronounced: Boner) wouldn't go there because I am sure Big pHARMa has paid him enough graft to stay away from that reality!
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    I read yesterday that a full 1/3 of our military is on meds..............

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    These rcket surgens need to read "The Myth for Mental Illness" by Thomas Szasz. Work of genius. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_M...Mental_Illness

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    What if such laws were to explicitly exempt generalized cases of depression (e.g., I feel depressed, am lacking energy, am lachrymose, etc?)

    And as to PTSD I think the far greater concern is why or what is causing 7.7-million Americans to endure it and how do we need to do to put an end to it? (However, personally, I do not believe PTSD in itself is an issue that should concern gun ownership one way or the other.)

    For myself, I undoubted agree that the criminally insane, delusional schizophrenics, serious habitual offenders, etc., do not need free access to weapons of any kind, let alone firearms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    I read yesterday that a full 1/3 of our military is on meds..............
    I find it nuts that the alleged shooter was on so many different types of mind/mood altering drugs, yet the Doctors aka "Pushers" had not even diagnosed him with a mental disorder yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dianne View Post
    I find it nuts that the alleged shooter was on so many different types of mind/mood altering drugs, yet the Doctors aka "Pushers" had not even diagnosed him with a mental disorder yet.
    The other odd thing is the guy was deployed for only four months. Normal Army deployments are for one year. He wasn't wounded, so the only two possibilities are that he did something to get yanked back to the US too soon. or was a replacement for someone else who was wounded / killed and the unit rotated back. There has to be more to the story here.
    Out of every one hundred men they send us, ten should not even be here. Eighty will do nothing but serve as targets for the enemy. Nine are real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, upon them depends our success in battle. But one, ah the one, he is a real warrior, and he will bring the others back from battle alive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    I read yesterday that a full 1/3 of our military is on meds..............
    When my sons CO told him his step dad had passed away Thursday the first question was , "do you want any medication?" He declined.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kathy88 View Post
    When my sons CO told him his step dad had passed away Thursday the first question was , "do you want any medication?" He declined.
    Sad, very sad. He needs hugs not drugs.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Does not surprise me at all.

    I told you that the GOP would be pushing this angle of Gun Control.

    This is why I opposed another,, that wanted to tie the "Mental Health" Industry to Gun Control.

    And this goes far beyond Guns,, though that is the first and obvious danger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    These rcket surgens need to read "The Myth for Mental Illness" by Thomas Szasz. Work of genius. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_M...Mental_Illness
    Thank you..

    online here
    http://www.cyc-net.org/cyc-online/cy...alillness.html

    And more by the same author (Curiosity made me look)
    http://www.szasz.com/
    Last edited by pcosmar; 04-08-2014 at 06:31 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    I read yesterday that a full 1/3 of our military is on meds..............
    Not just pain meds but SSRIs.

    Shouldn't be surprising since they send them off to fight unwinnable wars for multiple tours (they didn't even make the Vietnam soldiers suffer through multiple tours!) and they come back with PTSD (aka shell shock). So they put them on depression meds and then tell them they can't own guns.

    Gun over in the middle east, ok.
    Gun over here? No.

    We train them to be killing machines and then once they serve our country they have the AUDACITY to take away their RIGHT to own a gun?

    OUTLAW SSRI's INSTEAD!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mosquitobite View Post

    OUTLAW SSRI's INSTEAD!!!
    Although I'm no fan of SSRI's I'd much rather see drug laws eliminated right along with unconstitutional war...

    People can make up their own minds about drugs...

    War and the methodology to institute it is clearly proscribed in the constitution.....

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    If it comes down to a soldier either being outlawed against owning a gun or taking a pill - well one is a right, the other is not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mosquitobite View Post
    If it comes down to a soldier either being outlawed against owning a gun or taking a pill - well one is a right, the other is not.
    Everyone should be able to freely own firearms, not just soldiers...

    It's not drugs or guns that's the problem, it's an overbearing government that wants to control both...



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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Everyone should be able to freely own firearms, not just soldiers...

    It's not drugs or guns that's the problem, it's an overbearing government that wants to control both...
    Soldiers aren't even allowed to carry a gun on their bases. Here they are allegedly fighting for "our freedoms," and they have no freedom while working for government.

    Big pHARMa and government work together in unison.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    I read yesterday that a full 1/3 of our military is on meds..............
    All of the military (including the "home front" military AKA "police") should be disarmed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Soldiers aren't even allowed to carry a gun on their bases. Here they are allegedly fighting for "our freedoms," and they have no freedom while working for government.

    Big pHARMa and government work together in unison.
    Should people who agree to murder people for the government have freedom? Why should they?
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    Q: Why does Boehner support banning guns for 40 million Americans.

    A: It's a step in the right direction.

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    I just pray he is gone... The Obama back door man (probably more ways than one) needs to be out of our lives asap ..

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    Why does John Boehner want to keep 40 million Americans from buying guns?
    I'm filing this under "Questions That Answer Themselves" ...
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    Lets be clear here.

    Boners suggested solutions will only deprive law abiding citizens of their Right to Bear Arms, it will NOT do anything to disarm liquor store robbers, gang bangers, and the plethora of thuggery we have roaming the streets. Govt has an amazing power. With the flip of a pen, they can turn any law abiding citizen into a criminal with no actual action done by the citizen themselves.

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