Originally Posted by Traditional Conservative
"...the blood of the covenant by which HE [Jesus] was sanctified".
I never have Kevin.God is in full control but not the cause of everything. We do have free will. Just because God knows what WILL happen, does not mean we do not have a choice.
(see Terry- you cannot fit me in a box)You see--I knew why you were agreeing with the Calvinists, but still---I knew you weren't one of them because I do remember one of your very first posts claiming you did believe in the free will of mankind. I do pay attention to what people say. God Bless you!
THANKS!I never have Kevin.
Ephesians 2:8-9-
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
there are Arminians who are extremely judgmental of Calvinists as well
http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.ph...per-arminians/
Admittedly, I have yet to find anyone coin the phrase "tolerant arminians"
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I try not to fight people on terminology if the essence of what they are saying is fundamentally the same as what I'm saying, but I can see describing Adam and Eve as having "free will" but not any other human. Of course, however, you still have to deal with the fact that God chose to create the Adam that he knew would fall rather than an Adam who would never fall. But Adam (pre-Fall) wasn't enslaved to his sin the way all of his children were born enslaved to sin. I think we can say Adam had a legitimate ability not to sin (Although, again, God created Adam exactly as he was knowing and planning that Adam would fall) and that the sinful sons of Adam are not born with a legitimate ability not to sin.
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Amen Kevin--it is pretty basic to those with spiritual eyes and ears isn't it. Well said and done brother!THANKS!
LOL--FF--you do give me a chuckle every now and then. No one could call you judgmental now could they--there are Arminians who are extremely judgmental of Calvinists as well
http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.ph...per-arminians/
Admittedly, I have yet to find anyone coin the phrase "tolerant arminians"You haven't called for my banning for at least two days now. Are we improving or taking a break?
I am proudly judgmental of false doctrine. I boast in nothing but the cross of Christ (Galatians 6:14.) Those who boast in something else (Which seems to me to include every Arminian on this board, and practically every Arminian everywhere) is glorying in something else, whether their "decision" or their good works or something else. I judge them as being in sin and needing to repent, because the Bible clearly teaches such.LOL--FF--you do give me a chuckle every now and then. No one could call you judgmental now could they--
I'll respond to your coherent points and ignore the ones that aren't. As for your ban, I'd rather the mods leave the religion subforum alone, but if they won't do that, I don't think they should let stupid incoherency pass without allowing us to harshly call out the stupidly incoherent.
You haven't called for my banning for at least two days now. Are we improving or taking a break?
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Are you comparing yourself to Jesus and Paul? That's the same thing Freedom Fanatic did yesterday. Does this not perfectly illustrate my point about your extreme arrogance?
No. And there is no reason to understand me as "comparing" myself to Jesus and Paul.
It illustrates a deficiency in your logic, nothing more.
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How can you say that? You were saying it's ok for you to condemn us for having a theology that you consider to be "false" simply because Jesus and Paul condemned the Pharisees for what they believed. You're certainly comparing yourself to Jesus and Paul.
If you preach what Jesus and Paul specifically condemn (which you have), then their condemnation is directed at you. My repeating the condemnation is in no way me comparing myself to them.
What do you think gives you the right to repeat the condemnation? Where in that verse or any other section of the Bible does it say for Christians to condemn other self described Christians for their theological beliefs?
I think people who seek condemnation are doing it wrong out of the gate. Seek the face of God and embody His Spirit through the expression of Christ. Love God, love your neighbor. Don't set out traps to shut your brother off from the Kingdom, or you will not go in yourself.
I have recently called out a Christian in my own County as a Pharisee and someone who held a doctrine of Satan; but I was not excluding him - he was excluding us, and he had turned it into a "King Of The Hill" game where it was basically either him or us. I did not want to operate on his field but I did, and so I discerned his jeopardy before the Judgement and detailed it to shut him down. He no longer claims supremacy over Christ. That was not the seeking of condemnation, that was his beam while he was so worried about my mote. What is the motivation?
Are you indignant because they have shut the door to heaven against others, or are you the one shutting the door against the unwashed masses?
War of fleash vs spirit. All humans sin, saved or not- hopefully the saved sin LESS though.
The war has always waged between the flesh and Spirit.
Romans 7- 14-16.
…14 For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin. 15 For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate. 16 But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good.
We will not be perfected yet until we die or are raptured.
Ephesians 2:8-9-
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
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