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    Hawaii law allows undercover police officers to have sex with prostitutes

    Oh for pete's sake...


    HONOLULU – Honolulu police officers have urged lawmakers to keep an exemption in state law that allows undercover officers to have sex with prostitutes during investigations, touching off a heated debate.

    Authorities say they need the legal protection to catch lawbreakers in the act. Critics, including human trafficking experts and other police, say it's unnecessary and can further victimize sex workers, many of whom have been forced into the trade.

    Police haven't said how often — or even if — they use the provision. But when they asked legislators to preserve it, they made assurances that internal policies and procedures are in place to prevent officers from taking advantage of it.

    But expert Derek Marsh says the exemption is "antiquated at best" and that police can easily do their jobs without it.

    "It doesn't help your case, and at worst you further traumatize someone. And do you think he or she is going to trust a cop again?" asked Marsh, who trains California police in best practices on human trafficking cases and twice has testified to Congress about the issue.

    A Hawaii bill cracking down on prostitution was originally written to do away with the sex exemption for officers on duty, but it was amended to restore that protection after police testimony. The revised proposal has passed the state House and will go before a Senate committee Friday.

    It's not immediately clear whether there are similar provisions in place elsewhere either at the state law or department policy level. But advocates were shocked that Hawaii provides an exemption to prostitution laws for police, suggesting it's an invitation for misconduct.

    "Police abuse is part of the life of prostitution," said Melissa Farley, the executive director of the San Francisco-based group Prostitution Research and Education. Farley said that in places without such police protections "women who have escaped prostitution" commonly report being coerced into giving police sexual favors to keep from being arrested or harassed.

    The Hawaii bill aims to ratchet up penalties on johns and pimps while leaving the punishment for selling sex as a petty misdemeanor.

    During recent testimony, Honolulu police said the sex exemption protects investigations and should remain in place. They say police aren't abusing their authority by taking advantage of sex workers, and strict internal controls prohibit misconduct.
    "The procedures and conduct of the undercover officers are regulated by department rules, which by nature have to be confidential," Honolulu Police Maj. Jerry Inouye told the House Judiciary Committee. "Because if prostitution suspects, pimps and other people are privy to that information, they're going to know exactly how far the undercover officer can and cannot go."

    Democratic state Rep. Karl Rhoads, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, said Inouye's testimony convinced him to amend the proposal.

    "It's a really murky area," said Rhoads, who represents a district that includes Honolulu's Chinatown, a longstanding epicenter of street prostitution. "I was reluctant to interfere in something that they face all the time. If they think it's necessary to not have it in the statute, this is one area where I did defer to them and say, 'I hope you're not having sex with prostitutes.'"

    Critics say the police perspective is off base. Lauren Hersh, a former prosecuting attorney who runs the global trafficking program of the women's advocacy group Equality Now, said the risk of re-victimizing a sex worker, who may already have been trafficked, should make sex during an investigation off-limits.

    "I can understand you're in a drug den, and you have a gun to your head and someone says 'snort this,'" Hersh said, acknowledging the gray areas associated with undercover police work. But the sex exemption in Hawaii is "so dissimilar from that circumstance on so many levels."

    There have been instances of police being accused of victimizing sex workers across the nation. In Philadelphia, a former officer is on trial facing charges of raping two prostitutes after forcing them at gunpoint to take narcotics. A former West Sacramento, Calif., officer is awaiting sentencing after being found guilty of raping prostitutes in his police cruiser while on patrol. And last year in Massachusetts, a former police officer pleaded guilty to extorting sex from prostitutes he threatened with arrest.

    Rhoads, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, said he knew of no reason to believe Honolulu police are out of line.

    "All allegations of misconduct are investigated and the appropriate disciplinary action taken," said Michelle Yu, Honolulu police spokeswoman, in an email.

    It's not clear, however, what the punishment would be. The disclosure laws for police misconduct in Hawaii make it impossible to know if an on-duty officer had faced discipline or accusations of having sex with a prostitute.

    Vice officers who investigate prostitution haven't been accused of sexual wrongdoing in recent memory, Yu said. A parole officer in 2011 was fired after being convicted of sexual assault against a prostitute, she said.

    Skeptics, such as Roger Young, a retired special agent who for more than 20 years worked sex crimes for the FBI from Las Vegas and has trained vice squads around the country, remain unconvinced.

    Young said Thursday, "I don't know of any state or federal law that allows any law enforcement officer undercover to penetrate or do what this law is allowing."
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/03/21...ntcmp=trending



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    Why should this come as a surprise?

    Cops have been $#@!ing folks for decades, should it matter if the $#@!ee is a pro?

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    Not as heated as it gets when the undercover officer gets steamy with the prostitute, hey o!

    ... But seriously, as if we needed anymore examples as to why justice in the United States is a joke.
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    Lends something new to the old phrase "Don't bring your work home with you."


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    Should they now be allowed to kill innocent bystanders in an investigation? Oh wait, they can already.

    But seriously, that's like saying they should be allowed to rob banks when investigating bank robbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    Should they now be allowed to kill innocent bystanders in an investigation? Oh wait, they can already.

    But seriously, that's like saying they should be allowed to rob banks when investigating bank robbers.
    Come on dude, cops can sell you "contraband" and then bust you for the scope of the entire conspiracy...

    Of course they can rob banks too.

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    and the BENNIES, oh the BENNIES
    FLIP THOSE FLAGS, THE NATION IS IN DISTRESS!


    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
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    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?

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    This reminded me of the scene from the Wire with Jimmy McNulty..... http://www.cosmodromemag.com/files/still.png


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    Quote Originally Posted by aGameOfThrones View Post
    This reminded me of the scene from the Wire with Jimmy McNulty..... http://www.cosmodromemag.com/files/still.png


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    If those are supposed to be prostitutes, I want to know where that man lives, because the ones around where I live look nowhere near that good.

    Obviously we need a better class of prostitutes to go with a better class of law enforcement.

    But then again, I repeat myself.
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    What a damned farce.
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    Best job ever: Get to drive fast/park anywhere, free food (in some places), kill people and/or dogs, get serviced (free sex and drugs), and enjoy retirement with 70% pay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aGameOfThrones View Post
    This reminded me of the scene from the Wire with Jimmy McNulty..... http://www.cosmodromemag.com/files/still.png


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    Thanks for the warning. I never would have clicked if you hadn't been so kind.

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    Good lord.
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    Thumbs down Police allowed to have sex with prostitutes in Hawaii

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    um
    damn
    FLIP THOSE FLAGS, THE NATION IS IN DISTRESS!


    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
    The state's only purpose is to kill and control. Why do you worship it? - Sola_Fide

    Baptiste said.
    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?



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    And that's how serious they are about protecting and serving your ass. They care enough about upholding the law that they actually break the law.
    You should see 'em investigate pedophiles, domestic abuse, and murder cases. Heroes -all of 'em.

    I am not the least bit surprised.
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    Matt, Did you get hooked up on your ride along?
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    If it was decriminalized, the Police wouldn't need their special exemption.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    Oh for pete's sake...
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    So...I guess Danke is enrolling at the Honolulu Police Academy shortly.



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