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    Malaysia Airlines flight missing, terrorism not ruled out; confirmed hijacked

    Two people named on a list of passengers on board missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 were not on the plane, but both had reported their passports stolen.

    Foreign ministry officials in Rome and Vienna confirmed on Saturday night that the names of two nationals listed on the manifest of the flight matched those of passports reported stolen in Thailand.

    Italian foreign ministry officials said that Luigi Maraldi, originally believed to have boarded the plane in Kuala Lumpur, was traveling in Thailand when the Beijing-bound flight took off at just after midnight on Friday.

    He had reported his passport stolen last August, said a foreign ministry functionary, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

    Full story: http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/articl...rlines-missing
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    Interesting..
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    The neos are waiting with baited breath.
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    Foreign ministry officials in Italy and Austria said the names of two nationals from those countries listed on the flight's manifest matched passports reported stolen in Thailand.

    Italy's Foreign Ministry said the Italian man who was listed as being a passenger, Luigi Maraldi, was traveling in Thailand and was not aboard the plane. It said he reported his passport stolen last August.

    Austria's Foreign Ministry confirmed that a name listed on the manifest matched an Austrian passport reported stolen two years ago in Thailand. It said the Austrian was not on the plane, but would not confirm the person's identity.
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    news reporting the pilots didn't send any radio communications, signifying that whatever happened, happened fast.

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    Dun dun dun dun!!!
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    This doesn't sound good. Pretext for war, international databases, and who knows what else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryan View Post
    Two people named on a list of passengers on board missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 were not on the plane, but both had reported their passports stolen.

    Foreign ministry officials in Rome and Vienna confirmed on Saturday night that the names of two nationals listed on the manifest of the flight matched those of passports reported stolen in Thailand.

    Italian foreign ministry officials said that Luigi Maraldi, originally believed to have boarded the plane in Kuala Lumpur, was traveling in Thailand when the Beijing-bound flight took off at just after midnight on Friday.

    He had reported his passport stolen last August, said a foreign ministry functionary, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

    Full story: http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/articl...rlines-missing
    All the so called experts on FAUX news this morning have said they believe it was a criminal act. There is nothing other than oil spots in the water which appears to them, to be a complete nose dive straight into the ocean. The pilots would have had time to call a May Day if it were a mechanical failure. An explosion or bomb would have caused debris in the water.

    Sounds to me as though one of the pilots took it down, or perhaps one of the people with stolen passports took it down. But it appears to have been an intentional nose dive.

    It will probably days before we know anything really. You know the Admin. is trying to create some spin under the "Don't let any crisis go to waste" doctrine.



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    Passport reported stolen in Aug. and it is still good ??

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    Terrorists don't like to be anonymous. There's all kinds of things that could cause a catostophic crash. Plus the ocean is one big mofo. Lots of room for stuff to still not be found.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Passport reported stolen in Aug. and it is still good ??
    The other one was lost two years ago.

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    Meh, it's possible these two people were just trying to immigrate to China and something else caused electrical failure. Like a solar flare perhaps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Passport reported stolen in Aug. and it is still good ??
    Many countries don't have exit controls. And that information isn't always shared to every immigration database worldwide. I'd need to check my old passport to see if Malaysia has exit controls, though.

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    Missing over 24 hours now. Search is resuming now that it's morning in Asia: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26502268

    USA is sending a ship over.
    Malaysia and Vietnam have both sent planes and naval vessels to look for the missing flight.

    The US is sending the USS Pinckney, an Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer, which could be in the area within 24 hours.


    Territorial disputes over the South China Sea were set aside temporarily as China dispatched two maritime rescue ships and the Philippines deployed three air force planes and three navy patrol ships.


    Singapore is also involved, while Vietnam sent aircraft and ships and asked fishermen in the area to report any suspected sign of the missing plane.

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    ... I travel in a week and a half. I wonder if, by then, it'll require a DNA swab to make sure I'm myself.



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    They now have confirmed that the tickets for the two traveling on the stolen passports were bought at the same time.....

    The plot thickens

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahApocalypse View Post
    They now have confirmed that the tickets for the two traveling on the stolen passports were bought at the same time..... The plot thickens
    You betcha'

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    Quote Originally Posted by MelissaWV View Post
    ... I travel in a week and a half. I wonder if, by then, it'll require a DNA swab to make sure I'm myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dianne View Post
    All the so called experts on FAUX news this morning have said they believe it was a criminal act. There is nothing other than oil spots in the water which appears to them, to be a complete nose dive straight into the ocean. The pilots would have had time to call a May Day if it were a mechanical failure. An explosion or bomb would have caused debris in the water.

    Sounds to me as though one of the pilots took it down, or perhaps one of the people with stolen passports took it down. But it appears to have been an intentional nose dive.

    It will probably days before we know anything really. You know the Admin. is trying to create some spin under the "Don't let any crisis go to waste" doctrine.
    I don't think they can rule out hypoxia completely until they find the black boxes at least. Although they tend to fly until thet run out of jp4, as it seems to happen when the aircraft is on auto pilot.
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    Thailand's navy is shifting its focus in the search away from the Gulf of Thailand and the South China Sea, Thai Navy Rear Adm. Karn Dee-ubon told CNN on Sunday. The shift came at the request of the Malaysians, who are looking into possibilities the plane turned around and could have gone down in the Andaman Sea, near Thailand's border, Karn said.
    But the pilot appears to have given no signal to authorities that he was turning around, the officials said, attributing the change of course to indications from radar data.
    http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/09/world/...html?hpt=hp_t1

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    I wonder if there are any bankers on the manifest?
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    Quote Originally Posted by eduardo89 View Post
    Many countries don't have exit controls. And that information isn't always shared to every immigration database worldwide. I'd need to check my old passport to see if Malaysia has exit controls, though.
    Yep , they did not get checked . No reason for them then .Things cost too much anyway , lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cap View Post
    I wonder if there are any bankers on the manifest?
    I dunno , but there were 20 employees of some Tech Company in Texas that work in China on there .



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    Maybe plane never even existed.

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    http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ry?id=22842452
    The images of the passengers using the passports have not been released publically but are being shared with various international police forces including the FBI.

    Malaysia Airlines Passenger With Stolen Passport Caught on Video

    Two men who used stolen passports to board the missing Malaysia Airlines passenger jet have been isolated on surveillance video, officials said today.

    The investigation into the disappearance of the jetliner with 239 passengers and crew has centered so far around the fact that two passengers used passports stolen from an Austrian and an Italian. The plane which left Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, was headed for Beijing. Three of the passengers, one adult and two children, were American.

    Today Malaysia's Civil Aviation Chief Azaharuddin Abdul Rahman said officials had reviewed surveillance tape of the plane's boarding "from check-in right to departure."

    "I can confirm that all security protocols had been complied with," he said.

    The Search for the Missing Malaysia Airlines Passenger Jet

    When asked about the two men who used the stolen passports, Rahman replied, "We confirmed now they are not Asian looking males."

    When pressed to describe them, he said indicated that one of the men is black.

    Do you know a footballer by the name of Bartoli? Do you know what he looks like?" Rahman asked.

    Reporters corrected him asking, "Mario Balotelli?" and asked whether the man with the stolen passport was black. Balotelli, who is black, is an Italian soccer player.
    Another interesting article:
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle17391753/

    Stolen passport passengers didn't choose Malaysian flight intentionally: report

    The two men who used stolen passports to board the missing Malaysian jetliner didn't intentionally pick that flight, a newspaper reports, undercutting the possibility that they targeted the Beijing-bound plane in an act of terrorism.

    The Thai travel agent who booked the men onto Malaysia Airlines MH370 says that they used a middleman who only asked for the cheapest flight to Europe.


    She initially reserved seats for them on two separate flights operated by Gulf State airlines, Qatar Airways and Etihad, the national airline of the the United Arab Emirates.

    Meanwhile, Malaysian authorities are saying that the two men looked African.

    Investigators have checked closed-circuit television footage of the men as they boarded the flight.

    “It is confirmed now that they are not Asian-looking men,” Malaysia’s civil aviation chief, Azharuddin Abdul Rahman, told a press conference Monday evening in Kuala Lumpur.

    When reporters asked for a description, Mr. Azharuddin referred to Mario Balotelli, an Italian soccer star whose birth parents are from Ghana.

    He wouldn’t elaborate. “I don’t want to dwell about it but they are not Asian-looking.”

    Mr. Azharuddin added that it is possible that a “stolen-passport syndicate” was involved.

    Defence Minister Hishammuddin Tun Hussein told reporters that Malaysia has shared the images and biometrics of the two men with U.S. intelligence agencies.

    The two men purchased their tickets in the Thai beach resort of Pattaya, using an Iranian intermediary, reported the Financial Times.
    Benjaporn Krutnait, the owner of the Grand Horizon travel agency, told the paper that she had known the Iranian for three years and that he regularly booked flights for himself or others.

    The Iranian, whom she only knowns as “Mr. Ali,” asked her to get cheap tickets to Europe for two men on March 1.

    The tickets expired before Mr. Ali got back to her so she rebooked the two men on the Malaysia Airlines flight, making the reservation through China Southern Airlines, which code-shares the flight.

    She said a friend of Mr. Ali paid for the tickets in cash, adding that such arrangements were common in Pattaya, with the middlemen keeping a commission.

    The two men used passports that were reported stolen in Thailand in the last two years.

    One to a 30-year-old Austrian, Christian Kozel. The other travel document was stolen from Luigi Maraldi, a 37-year-old Italian.

    Both men were supposed to fly from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. They were then supposed to board a KLM flight to Amsterdam, where the bogus Mr. Maraldi would have gone to Copenhagen while the fake Mr. Kozel would have flown to Frankfurt.

    The latest developments seem to suggest that the two men were part of a refugee scam, said security consultant Chris Mathers, who has investigated many cases that involved stolen passports while he was an RCMP officer.

    "It doesn't matter that the passport is going to be detected upon arrival. All you need is something that will get you on the plane," Mr. Mathers said.
    More at link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MelissaWV View Post
    ... I travel in a week and a half. I wonder if, by then, it'll require a DNA swab to make sure I'm myself.
    It will be more of a DNA thrust, actually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry Rogue View Post
    I don't think they can rule out hypoxia completely until they find the black boxes at least. Although they tend to fly until thet run out of jp4, as it seems to happen when the aircraft is on auto pilot.
    I would guess this was it.
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    2 passports, stolen way before the incident... Operation "Fish Food"? Operative disposal?

    Regardless, this is one crisis that will not go to waste, I'm sure.

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