Do COS and ALEC Really Want An Article V Convention with Constitutional Intent?

[Christopher A. Brown]

Those who are afraid of an Article V convention are really fearful that elite organizations, incumbent politicians, special interests etc. will cause amendment which does not have constitutional intent. Constitutional intent is the only real limit on an Article V convention. The people are the element that have the greatest interest in assuring amendments have constitutional intent.

Lincoln in a speech, Illinois, his home state in 1859 made this statement.

"the people are the rightful masters of the congress and the courts"

It seems possible that 2/3 of the states could apply, then make proposals that were not fully constitutional. At that point, congress quickly ratifies and the people ARE NOT INVOLVED. This might be done before the other states gathered opposition to the proposed amendment and instead corrupt legislators consent to amendment. A "railroad" "rush job" essentially violating Article V "and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate."

At this point, those states have to propose an amendment to reverse. Not a good situation.

I support an Article V convention, BUT ONLY IF THE PEOPLE are intimately involved, and, they know what they are doing. So, if this petition does not gather enough signatures, America is too dumbed down to stop a convention from ratifying amendments without constitutional intent. Simple outrage at problems is not enough. In that case, these elite organizations will do what they want if they are not stopped. This is a test of us, our ability as much as anything.

America must then oppose any convention and simply use nullifications when states can be compelled to do such. This means we will have to mostly live with unconstitutional wars, surveillance etc. States only have the authority to nullify each unconstitutional act the federal government attempts which effects things within their borders.

Forget dealing with the issue of 9-11, induced economic collapse, environmental destruction, nwo depopulation, federal reserve, GATT, NAFTA, common core, gun control etc. unless states do it one at a time relating to whatever occurs within their borders.

This petition asks Convention of States and the American Legislative Council to be accountable to us, the people, and provide comment upon their perceptions of the concept of preparing the people to know and define constitutional intent. This is done with "Preparatory Amendment" which is fully logical, lawful and constitutional that consists of amendment addressing these three issues.

1)Ending the abridging of free speech
2)Secure the vote
3)Campaign finance reform

Is it logical that America prepare for the most important event in its history?

If your answer is yes, then sign this petition AND ask friends and family to sign as well. Please get active on forums and email lists with this.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/298/6...tional-intent/

Make the elite accountable to the issue of constitutional intent, which all amendments must have as mandated by Article V. Who knows, COS may like the idea and adopt it in order to get more of the people involved. There is no accountability anyway it is seen without some comment upon the matter of intent. So far they appear to be focused on a balanced budget amendment. Can they limit the convention to that issue without us?

ARTICLE V:

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.

[Christopher A. Brown]

This and most forums seem obsessed with observing problems, corruptions, governmental scandals etc., sensational events.
Meanwhile, quietly these organizations which consolidate powerful entities of business and government fo the purpose of calling an Article V convention do so without hardly mentioning constitutional intent.

Convention of States is comprised of individuals which appear sincere, but still we are supposed to care IF we complain as much as we do. Americans , if they really object to the political scene as it is, logically must at least ask for accountability to constitutional intent.

Can one American that complains about cops, intelligence surveillance, prisons, courts etc. actually, logically stand by why such organizations work to see Anericas most important constitutional event EVER happen with NO PREPARATION?

Basically, if Americans do not demand preparation assuring their rightful involvement, then they may even loose their right to complain, let alone do anything about it.

Imagine what it would be like of free speech meant serious issues that media ignores could be put in Americas living rooms on prime time television. Imagine what it would be like if we KNEW that elections had the integrity they must by law. Imagine if campaign finance did not control who got elected.

Not to mention what our democracy could do IF Americans were informed and could create accurate opinion upon issues well before elections.

Sure, the elite powers wanted you ignorant and afraid of using Article V, your first constitutional right, but that doesn't mean you have to remain that way because false social groups on Internet forums, blogs, websites, radio etc. constantly distract with sensational problems.

Consider signing this petition so COS and ALEC are made accountable to addressing the issue of constitutional intent and citizens involvement.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/298/6...tional-intent/

[Christopher A. Brown]

I find it hard to believe that members of this board, who are so outraged, and complain so greatly about the abuses of government, are not focusing; at all; on using this lawful method of "altering or abolishing" government abuses.

Seriously, some of the most collusive elements of business are consolidated under ALEC promoting an Article V convention. To stand by and NOT at least test their grasp of REQUIRED constitutional intent, before such convention becomes a reality, is insane.

Literally, complaining, and only complaining, over and over, while not at least investigating this lawful peaceful method of Article V, OR testing these entities grasp of what is your interest, qualifies as insane or deeply incompetent.

FOR THE FEARFUL:
This is legal reminder. The NSA cannot legally track what you are doing with this, and certainly cannot legally pass on an info to the men in black. So get over your paranoia or whatever it is keeping you from signing the petition.

[Anti Federalist]

BUT ONLY IF THE PEOPLE are intimately involved

The single biggest problem, right there, with what you are proposing.

"The people" want this.

They are quite happy with the tyranny and want more.

This has been demonstrated over and over and over again.

So, the options are:

1 - Educate, until such time as the people become aware of the danger and demand action.

2 - Move in such a way that "majority approval" is not required or wanted.

But to allow the current generation of Boobus to re-write the constitution and Bill of Rights would be a monumental disaster.

Even worse than the current failure of those documents.

[phill4paul]

The single biggest problem, right there, with what you are proposing.

"The people" want this.

They are quite happy with the tyranny and want more.

This has been demonstrated over and over and over again.

So, the options are:

1 - Educate, until such time as the people become aware of the danger and demand action.

2 - Move in such a way that "majority approval" is not required or wanted.

But to allow the current generation of Boobus to re-write the constitution and Bill of Rights would be a monumental disaster.

Even worse than the current failure of those documents.

About the long and the short of it.

[Christopher A. Brown]

The single biggest problem, right there, with what you are proposing.

"The people" want this.

They are quite happy with the tyranny and want more.

This has been demonstrated over and over and over again.

So, the options are:

1 - Educate, until such time as the people become aware of the danger and demand action.

2 - Move in such a way that "majority approval" is not required or wanted.

But to allow the current generation of Boobus to re-write the constitution and Bill of Rights would be a monumental disaster.

Even worse than the current failure of those documents.

People that are uninformed do not know what they want or need. You cannot make judgements for them when they do not. All you can do morally is to assure they are informed. Preparatory amendment does that.

You cannot speak for the masses.

The elite are going to do it, so we need to do it instead.

http://algoxy.com/poly/principal_party.html

The failure is Americans for not assuring that the federal government was operating under the 1787 constitution long ago.

Go ahead and fix it without a majority if you can, you cannot. Bad plan, if not "show us your moves."

[William Tell]

The people are not even informed enough to elect good candidates in most cases. Let alone change the Constitution, the risk is to great.

[Anti Federalist]

I most certainly can make a judgment call as to what level of tyranny the people want and will accept, simply by listening and watching what they applaud, dismiss, and encourage.

If it is simply a matter of being uniformed, then option 1 will work.

People that are uninformed do not know what they want or need. You cannot make judgements for them when they do not. All you can do morally is to assure they are informed. Preparatory amendment does that.

You cannot speak for the masses.

The elite are going to do it, so we need to do it instead.

http://algoxy.com/poly/principal_party.html

The failure is Americans for not assuring that the federal government was operating under the 1787 constitution long ago.

Go ahead and fix it without a majority if you can, you cannot. Bad plan, if not "show us your moves."

[mosquitobite]

But to allow the current generation of Boobus to re-write the constitution and Bill of Rights would be a monumental disaster.

Even worse than the current failure of those documents.

This. Goodness how stupid do the supposedly "awakened" need to be to think this is a good idea?


The media will paint the anti-federalists of today as EXTREME and will force repeated "compromises". And we all know what compromise means...move to the left. The left NEVER moves right. EVER.

[Christopher A. Brown]

The people are not even informed enough to elect good candidates in most cases. Let alone change the Constitution, the risk is to great.

William, I would ask you to read this post before going along with a social group that has ignored its major points, which get rid of that fear.

.http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post5433668

Your point is well made, and it is not responsible for any to suggest conducting an Article V convention without preparation remedying that problem of the public being uninformed.

I'm beginning to think that these four principles of the link below need the information to the people issue added to it as something which prevents any further amendment until the people can test themselves and assure they can define constitutional intent.

http://algoxy.com/poly/principal_party.html

We've always known the constitution was imperfect. I think we are narrowing down exactly what needs fixing just to assure we can preserve it.

[Christopher A. Brown]

This. Goodness how stupid do the supposedly "awakened" need to be to think this is a good idea?


The media will paint the anti-federalists of today as EXTREME and will force repeated "compromises". And we all know what compromise means...move to the left. The left NEVER moves right. EVER.

Lots of cognitive distortions there. You appear a part of the covert group with a post like that.

[Christopher A. Brown]

I most certainly can make a judgment call as to what level of tyranny the people want and will accept, simply by listening and watching what they applaud, dismiss, and encourage.

Not only are you an insincere American, you are immoral.

To think you can judge people that have been made ignorant by an infiltrated government so they can be manipulated and decieved makes you a part of the infiltration.

[Anti Federalist]

Not only are you an insincere American, you are immoral.

To think you can judge people that have been made ignorant by an infiltrated government so they can be manipulated and decieved makes you a part of the infiltration.

You lack an understanding of history and what people have always wanted.

Besides, what difference does it make, why the people think they way they do.

The fact remains that they do.

[Christopher A. Brown]

You lack an understanding of history and what people have always wanted.

Besides, what difference does it make, why the people think they way they do.

The fact remains that they do.

The constitution would not exist if your words were true. Millions of soldiers would not have sacrificed their lives for it, if your words were true.

Your reasoning is inadequate to support the generalizations you suggest people should make.

The elite have worked hard to corrupt Americans so those with attitudes they created might use your words.

Wants are easy to manipulate. People's needs have remained the same.