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    The mighty Will Grigg, ladies and gentlemen.

    I knew about the "paddy rollers" but never made the link.

    I learned something new and very important today.

    Thanks, Will, donating.

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    Support Your Local Slave Patrol

    http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com...ve-keeper.html

    Phyllis Bear, a convenience store clerk from Arizona, called the police after a customer threatened her. The disgruntled patron, seeking to purchase a money order, handed Bear several bills that were rejected by the store’s automated safe. Suspecting that the cash was counterfeit, Bear told him to come back later to speak with a manager.

    The man had left by the time the cops arrived, and Bear was swamped at the register. Offended that she was serving paying customers rather than rendering proper deference to an emissary of the State, one of the officers arrested Bear for “obstructing government operations,” handcuffed her, and stuffed her in the back of his cruiser.

    A few minutes later, while the officer was on the radio reporting the abduction, his small-boned captive took the opportunity to extract one of her hands from the cuffs, reach through the window, and start opening the back door from the outside. The infuriated captor yanked the door open and demanded that the victim extend her hands to be re-shackled. When Bear refused to comply, the officer reached into the back seat and ripped her from the vehicle, causing her to lose her balance and stumble into the second officer.

    Bear, who had called the police in the tragically mistaken belief that they would help her, was charged with three felonies: “obstruction” – refusal to stiff-arm customers in order to attend to an impatient cop; “escape” – daring to pull her hand out of the shackles that had been placed upon her without lawful cause; and “aggravated assault” – impermissible contact with the sanctified personage of a police officer as a result of being violently dragged out of the car by the “victim’s” comrade.

    The first two charges were quickly dropped. During a bench trial, the prosecution admitted that the arrest was illegal. Yet the judge ruled that Bear – who had no prior criminal history -- was guilty of “escape” and imposed one year of unsupervised probation. That conviction was upheld by the Arizona Court of Appeals, which ruled that although the arrest was unwarranted and illegal, Bear had engaged in an illegal act of “self-help” by refusing to submit to abduction with appropriate meekness.

    Decades ago, when Arizona was a more civilized place, the state “followed the common-law rule that a person may resist an illegal arrest,” the court acknowledged. But that morally sound and intellectually unassailable policy was a casualty of what the court called “a trend … away from the common-law rule and toward the judicial settlement of such disputes.” Referring to the act of unlawfully seizing another human being and holding that person by force as a “dispute” is a bit like calling assault rape a “lover's quarrel.”

    “Permitting an individual to resort to self-help to escape from an illegal arrest, rather than seeking a remedy through the legal system, would invite violence and endanger public safety,” pontificated the court -- carefully ignoring the fact that arrest is a violent injury, and illegal arrest is nothing more than an abduction. “The same public policy that permits a conviction for resisting arrest even if the arrest is unlawful should authorize conviction for escape despite the unlawfulness of the underlying arrest.”

    Furthermore, it’s not necessary for a police officer to explain why the arrest was made; according to the court, “only the fact of [an] arrest is a necessary element” for the victim to be charged with “escape.” In an earlier case, the same court ruled that a woman who jerked her arms away from a police officer committed the supposed crime of resisting arrest.

    Anything other than immediate, unconditional submission to the demands of a costumed enforcer is treated as a criminal offense – even when those demands are not valid as a matter of law.


    From that perspective, all citizens are incipient slaves, subject to detention, abduction, and other abuse at the whim of uniformed slave-keepers.

    A slave is somebody who cannot say “no” – as in, “No, I can’t talk to you right now because I’m on the clock and there are paying customers ahead of you.” This is because the slave doesn’t exercise self-ownership in any sense in the presence of a slave-keeper.

    A slave-keeper is somebody who claims the legal right to take ownership of another person at his discretion, and use physical violence to compel submission.

    This is the specific definition of the peculiar institution called “law enforcement,” as demonstrated by the following statement from the annual report of an entirely typical sheriff’s office: “A law enforcement officer’s authority and power to take away a citizen’s constitutional rights is unmatched anywhere in our society.”

    The conceit that defines law enforcement is that all claims to self-ownership evaporate in the presence of a police officer. Some people have internalized that message to such an extent that they immediately assume the position of a submissive slave whenever a police officer approaches. Among them is actor and literacy activist LeVar Burton, whose breakthrough role – either ironically or appropriately, I can’t decide which -- was the fictional escaped slave Kunta Kinte.

    “This is a practice I engage in every time I’m stopped by law enforcement,” explained Burton during a panel discussion on CNN. “And I taught this to my son who is now 33 as part of my duty as a father…. When I get stopped by the police, I take my hat off and my sunglasses off, I put them on a the passenger’s side, I roll down my window, I take my hands, I stick them outside the window and on the door of the driver’s side because I want that officer to be as relaxed as possible when he approaches that vehicle. And I do that because I live in America.”


    Burton describes his ritual of self-abasement as his strategy for physically surviving an encounter with police. In order to avoid arrest it may be necessary to plumb further depths of personal degradation.

    Dale Carson, a defense attorney, former cop, and former FBI agent, has written a revealing manual entitled Arrest-Proof Yourself. That book is replete with significant insights into the institutionalized sociopathy called police “work” – and it abounds in even more revealing advice about the kind of self-inflicted humiliation expected of Mundanes once their self-anointed slave masters appear.

    In an interview with the Atlantic magazine, Carson described law enforcement as a “revenue gathering system” in which predatory officers compete to see “who can put the most people in jail.” His most emphatic advice is to avoid attracting the attention of police officers – something that is becoming nearly impossible in our Panopticon society.

    In the event that avoiding the police proves to be impossible, Carson offers etiquette tips for Mundanes seeking to avoid an arrest: Make eye contact, but don't smile; don't react when (not if) the privileged thug deliberately provokes you through foul, confrontational language and calculated acts of battery; be accommodating and extravagantly respectful.

    If all of these tactics prove unavailing, then Carson recommends that the Mundane surrender what residue of personal dignity remains by crying or, if possible, deploying other bodily emissions. He suggests that you could foul yourself “so that police will consider setting you free in order not to get their cruiser nasty,” urinating in your pants, or, if possible, vomiting.

    Remarkably, Carson's tactics for avoiding arrest track very closely with the notorious rape prevention advice provided by the University of Colorado at Colorado Springs. The college faculty, piously discouraging “violent self-help” (such as carrying and using a firearm), urged women confronting a potential rapist to “Tell your attacker that you have a disease or are menstruating” and that “Vomiting or urinating may also convince the attacked to leave you alone.”

    In similar fashion, Carson’s advice on avoiding arrest assumes a limitless capacity for self-denigration on the part of the Mundane. But it only applies to public encounters with police. It provides no direction for people victimized by lawless police violence in their own homes, something that is becoming commonplace.

    Last May 28, 72-year old Fort Worth resident Jerry Waller was shot and killed in his garage by Officer R.A. Hoeppner.

    Displaying the competence for which government law enforcement is legendary, Hoeppner and his partner, Ben Hanlon, had responded to a burglary alarm by going to the wrong address.

    Hearing prowlers on his property, Waller grabbed his gun and went out to investigate. A few minutes later he was dead, shot multiple times by Hoeppner when he refused to disarm himself. A grand jury declined to indict the officer.

    In describing the events of that evening, Hoeppner, a neophyte police officer from a multi-generational family of law enforcers, displayed the reflexive perplexity of a freshly-minted slave catcher confronting someone who didn't see himself as another person's property.

    “His attitude toward us was very malicious – It, it was not pro-police at all,” recalled Hoeppner. Although Waller was on his own property, and the police officers were the intruders, Hoeppner described the victim’s posture as “very aggressive toward us – and I mean like almost … attitudish.” That assessment makes perfect sense once it’s understood that Hoeppner had been indoctrinated to view any non-cooperation as “aggression” because police, in some sense, own the rest of us.

    After Hoeppner made the unlawful demand that the alarmed homeowner disarm himself, Waller quite sensibly asked, “Why?” This struck the cop as an act of irrational defiance:

    “What person in their right man – mind would ask a peace officer – a, a law enforcement officer `why' when he tells you and gives you verbal commands.... Your law-abiding citizen is not going to tell – going to ask you, why.”

    From the cop’s perspective, the expression “law-abiding citizen” is a functional synonym for “Properly obedient slave.” Not only did the uppity Mundane refuse to submit, he actually behaved as if he was the rightful owner of his person and property: “It was almost like he had the attitude of you – you cannot tell me what to do with my gun in my, you know, in my castle.”

    Slave-keepers don’t have to ask permission to invade the servants’ quarters, and slaves have no right to protect the sanctity of their person or effects.

    In his study of 18th Century slave patrols – the largely unacknowledged ancestors of today’s “professional” police agencies -- historian Philip L. Reichel points out that “patrols had full power and authority to enter any plantation and break open Negro houses or other places where slaves were suspected of keeping arms; to punish runaways or slaves found outside of their masters’ plantations without a pass; [and] to whip any slave who should affront or abuse them in the execution of their duties….”

    No-knock midnight raids; gun confiscation; “stop-and-frisk”-style demands for identification that quickly escalate to violence and arrest; summary punishment for “contempt of cop” – all of these practices would be immediately recognizable to 18th century slaves. They would probably find it incomprehensible that people who consider themselves to be free would allow such practices to continue.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 02-20-2014 at 02:34 PM.
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    Now you know where "Paddy Wagon" came from.


    Slave patrols (called patrollers, pattyrollers or paddy rollers by the slaves) were organized groups of three to six white men who enforced discipline upon black slaves in the antebellum U.S. southern states. They policed the slaves on plantations and hunted down fugitive slaves. Patrols used summary punishment against escapees, maiming or killing them. Slave patrols were first established in South Carolina in 1704, and the idea spread throughout the southern states. The institution of policing in America can be traced back to the slave patrols

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_patrol

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    This is a well written, and interesting article. Thanks for posting.

    +rep

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    Interesting stuff.

    Here's a related link:

    ...
    The development of law enforcement in colonial America was similar to that of England during the same time period. Law enforcement in colonial America was considered a local responsibility. As in England, the colonies established a system of night watch to guard cities against fire, crime, and disorder. In addition to night watch systems, there were sheriffs appointed by the governor and constables elected by the people. These individuals were responsible for maintaining order and providing other services. Nalla and Newman have described the following as problems plaguing colonial cities that were considered the responsibility of police: controlling slaves and Indians; maintaining order; regulating specialized functions such as selling in the market and delivering goods; maintaining health and sanitation; managing pests and other animals; ensuring the orderly use of streets by vehicles; controlling liquor, gambling, vice, and weapons; and keeping watch for fires.

    While night watch groups were established in the northern colonies, groups of white men organized into slave patrols in the southern colonies. These slave patrols were responsible for controlling, returning, and punishing runaway slaves. The slave patrols helped to maintain the economic order in the southern colonies. These slave patrols are generally considered to be the first "modern" police organizations in this country. In 1837, Charleston, South Carolina, had a slave patrol with over one hundred officers, which was far larger than any northern city police force at that time (Walker, 1999).
    ...
    In the 1800s, changes in American society forced changes in law enforcement. Specifically, the processes of industrialization, urbanization, and immigration changed this country from a primarily homogenous, agrarian society to a heterogeneous, urban one. Citizens left rural areas and flocked to the cities in search of employment. Hundreds of thousands of immigrants came to reside in America. Unsanitary living conditions and poverty characterized American cities. The poor, predominantly immigrant urban areas were plagued with increases in crime and disorder. As a direct result, a series of riots occurred throughout the 1830s in numerous American cities. Many of these riots were the result of poor living conditions, poverty, and conflicts between ethnic groups. These riots directly illustrated the need for larger and better organized law enforcement. Both the watch systems in the north and the slave patrols in the south began to evolve into modern police organizations that were heavily influenced by modern departments developing in England during the same time (Walker, 1999).

    Read more: Police: History - Early Policing In Colonial America - Law, Colonies, Slave, and Enforcement - JRank Articles http://law.jrank.org/pages/1640/Poli...l-America.html
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    So, slaves, how do you like being bossed around by the paddy rollers?

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    Well, I suppose my comment about the relationship between a certain aggressive ethnic minority and police brutality just gained a rather large amount of credibility.
    Last edited by DFF; 02-20-2014 at 03:36 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DFF View Post
    Huh, well, I suppose my comment about the relationship between a certain aggressive ethnic minority and how their negative influence on the police, just gained quite a bit of credibility.
    Them damn Irish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    In 1837, Charleston, South Carolina, had a slave patrol with over one hundred officers, which was far larger than any northern city police force at that time
    Lends much credence to people like Pete who have been making the case that the very concept of police is anathema to free society, and a relatively new concept.

    Notice how even then they were called "officers"...unless that is just a modern author skewing to modern usage.



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    During a bench trial, the prosecution admitted that the arrest was illegal. Yet the judge ruled that Bear – who had no prior criminal history -- was guilty of “escape” and imposed one year of unsupervised probation. That conviction was upheld by the Arizona Court of Appeals, which ruled that although the arrest was unwarranted and illegal, Bear had engaged in an illegal act of “self-help” by refusing to submit to abduction with appropriate meekness.
    How much time did the cop serve?

    Bwahahahhahahaha! Damn, I crack me up.

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    He served two weeks in Jamaica

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    So, slaves, how do you like being bossed around by the paddy rollers?
    FLIP THOSE FLAGS, THE NATION IS IN DISTRESS!


    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
    The state's only purpose is to kill and control. Why do you worship it? - Sola_Fide

    Baptiste said.
    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?

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    officer
    over-seer


    "Woop, woop, that's the sound of da police
    Woop, woop, that's the sound of da beast
    Yes, indeed

    Stand clear, don' man a talk, you can't stand where I stand
    You can't walk where I walk, watch out, we run New York
    Police man come, we bust him out the park
    I know this for a fact, you don't like how I act
    You claim I'm sellin' crack but you be doin' that
    I'd rather say "See ya" 'cause I would never be ya
    Be a officer? You wicked overseer

    Ya hotshot, wanna get props and be a saviour
    First show a little respect, change your behavior
    Change your attitude, change your plan
    There could never really be justice on stolen land

    Are you really for peace and equality? Or when my car is hooked up
    You know you wanna follow me, your laws are minimal
    'Cause you won't even think about lookin' at the real criminal
    This has got to cease

    'Cause we be getting hyped to the sound of da police

    Woop, woop, that's the sound of da police
    Woop, woop, that's the sound of da beast
    Woop, woop, that's the sound of da police
    Woop, woop, that's the sound of da beast

    Now, here's a likkle truth open up your eye
    While you're checking out the boom box, check the exercise
    Take the word "Overseer," like a sample
    Repeat it very quickly in a crew for example

    Overseer, overseer, overseer, overseer
    Officer, Officer, Officer, Officer, yeah, officer from overseer
    You need a little clarity? Check the similarity

    The overseer rode around the plantation
    The officer is off patroling all the nation
    The overseer couldn't stop you what you're doing
    The officer will pull you over just when he's pursuing
    The overseer had the right to get ill
    And if you fought back, the overseer had the right to kill

    The officer has the right to arrest
    And if you fight back they put a hole in your chest
    Woop, they both ride horses
    After 400 years, I've got no choices

    The police them have a little gun
    So when I'm on the streets, I walk around with a bigger one
    Woop, woop, I hear it all day
    Just so they can run the light and be upon their way

    Yes, indeed
    Yes, indeed
    Yes, indeed
    Yes, indeed

    Woop, woop, that's the sound of da police
    Woop, woop, that's the sound of da beast
    Woop, woop, that's the sound of da police
    Woop, woop, that's the sound of da beast

    Check out the message in a rough stylee
    The real criminals are the COP
    You check for undercover and the one PD
    But just a mere Black man, them want check me
    Them check out me car for it shine like the sun
    But them jealous or them vexed 'cause them can't afford one

    Black people still slaves up 'til today
    But the Black police officer nah see it that way
    Him want a salary, him want it
    So he put on a badge and kill people for it

    My grandfather had to deal with the cops
    My great-grandfather dealt with the cops
    My great-grandfather had to deal with the cops
    And then my great, great, great, great, when it's gonna stop?"


    KRS One - Sound Of Da Police Lyrics | MetroLyrics
    Last edited by jkr; 02-20-2014 at 10:35 PM.
    FLIP THOSE FLAGS, THE NATION IS IN DISTRESS!


    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
    The state's only purpose is to kill and control. Why do you worship it? - Sola_Fide

    Baptiste said.
    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?

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    They might as well just call in an air strike and be done.
    Out of every one hundred men they send us, ten should not even be here. Eighty will do nothing but serve as targets for the enemy. Nine are real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, upon them depends our success in battle. But one, ah the one, he is a real warrior, and he will bring the others back from battle alive.

    Duty is the most sublime word in the English language. Do your duty in all things. You can not do more than your duty. You should never wish to do less than your duty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    So, slaves, how do you like being bossed around by the paddy rollers?
    ...

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    Slave Patrol in Austin, Texas Abducts a Female Jogger

    William Norman Grigg

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/...female-jogger/

    The first government-licensed police agencies in America were 18th century slave patrols, which were authorized to arrest both fugitive slaves and “disorderly” people of all descriptions.

    Historian Philip L. Reichel recalls that slave patrols “had full power and authority to enter any plantation and break open Negro houses or other places where slaves were suspected of keeping arms … to punish runaways or slaves found outside their masters’ plantations without a pass … [and] to whip any slave who should affront or abuse them in the execution of their duties….”

    Reichel points out that in 1778, the Georgia slave patrol’s duties were expanded to include arresting “all white persons who cannot give a satisfactory account of themselves and carry them before a Justice of the Peace to be dealt with as is directed by the Vagrant Act.”


    From its inception, American “law enforcement” has been in the business of harassing harmless people, demanding that they present their “papers,” and violently abducting them if they cannot give a proper “accounting” of themselves to those who presumed to own them. Victims of 18th century slave patrols might be mystified by the accoutrements of contemporary police, astounded by the technology they can employ in the service of official coercion, and horrified by their capacity for unprovoked violence, often of the lethal variety. But they would recognize their role to be largely indistinguishable from that of the “patter-rollers” used to round up human beings who decided to flee from captivity.

    Once it’s understood that contemporary police are the direct descendants of 18th and 19th century slave patrols, spectacles like the one that unfolded yesterday in Austin, Texas make perfect sense.

    Blogger Chris Quintero, who captured this abduction on video, reports that the female victim had been jogging when members of the local patter-roller detained her and demanded that she present a “pass” from her master. The officers had gathered at a busy intersection to mulct students for the supposed offense of “jaywalking,” and were feasting heartily on their victims when the jogger happened by. After one of the officers laid hands on her, the young woman — not knowing that corpulent stranger was a cop — jerked her arm away. This insolent “affront” to the slave-keepers led to the woman being shackled and hauled off screaming by a phalanx of well-nourished tax-feeders.

    In one of the most finely wrought — and well-deserved — exercises in vituperation committed to print, Former slave Lewis Clarke described slave patrols as “the offscouring of all things; the refuse … the tooth and tongues of serpents. They are … the scum of stagnant pools, the exuvial, the worn-out skins of slave-holders. They are the meanest, and lowest, and worst of all creation.” Clarke described how officers of the slave patrols, “like starved wharf rats,” would prowl the streets in search of victims.

    Technology advances, but the institutional character of law enforcement remains as constant as the North Star.

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    There used to be a slang term for Police calling them "rollers". Is that still around?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    There used to be a slang term for Police calling them "rollers". Is that still around?

  23. #20
    Gotta love Will Grigg- he is one brave man.
    There is no spoon.

  24. #21

  25. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Lends much credence to people like Pete who have been making the case that the very concept of police is anathema to free society, and a relatively new concept.

    Notice how even then they were called "officers"...unless that is just a modern author skewing to modern usage.
    The very definition of police is "to Control".

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/police

    The very idea that free people need to be controlled is offensive.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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  26. #23
    bump for another thread

  27. #24
    Voluntarist just made a post about Patrick Henry here including a Thomas Jefferson quote about him:
    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Jefferson
    His eloquence was peculiar, if indeed it should be called eloquence; for it was impressive and sublime, beyond what can be imagined. Although it was difficult when he had spoken to tell what he had said, yet, while he was speaking, it always seemed directly to the point. When he had spoken in opposition to my opinion, had produced a great effect, and I myself had been highly delighted and moved, I have asked myself when he ceased: 'What the devil has he said?' I could never answer the inquiry.
    This is how I feel about William Grigg every time I read him. His language so effortlessly exposes the heart of the matter that there is simply no retort.
    Quote Originally Posted by President John F. Kennedy
    And we must face the fact that the United States is neither omnipotent nor omniscient. That we are only 6% of the world's population, and that we cannot impose our will upon the other 94% of mankind. That we cannot right every wrong or reverse each adversity, and that therefore there cannot be an American solution to every world problem.
    I need an education in US history, from the ground up. Can you help point me to a comprehensive, unbiased, scholarly resource?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mini-Me View Post
    This is how I feel about William Grigg every time I read him. His language so effortlessly exposes the heart of the matter that there is simply no retort.
    A modern day Paine.

  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by jkr View Post

    officer
    over-seer
    Hell yes, my favorite KRS-ONE song of all time. You deserve that rep, my friend. KRS-ONE has always been a top artist in my book, he's spot on.
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  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Pericles View Post
    They might as well just call in an air strike and be done.

    Hey, just give 'em a little more time. Just a little. bit. longer.

  33. #29
    Bump.
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  34. #30
    Kind of a shame that after she called them for help, and they came all the way over, that she didn't get right on it to help them. I would have been feeling compelled to get enough details to get on his trail.

    Or maybe not.

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