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    Personally I think Russia should invade and annex the Russian-speaking parts of Ukraine, particularly the Crimean Peninsula. Let the rest of Ukraine rot in the EU if that's what they want.



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    I think they will provide direct support to Ukraine's government. Getting bogged down is not in their interest. Eastern Ukraine is defacto Russia anyways. 90% of their business is with Russia.
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    Will the US invade Ukraine?

    To force them to join the EU?
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    Highly likely I would imagine.

    Russia's not going to give up Ukraine without a fight for a variety of different reasons.

    Now, the question is, will the US try and tangle with Russia?

    Lets hope not...

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    The Ukrainian gov't just gave it's military and police a go ahead to fire any weapon it feels necessary on CITIZENS;

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-0...terrorist-acts

    Russia does not need to annex/invade Eastern Ukraine. Old school Eastern Ukrainian communists (Russian friends) are still deeply entrenched.

    You're more likely to see EU/US/NATO troops then Russian ones, inside the Ukraine. You know...for the children.
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    The country should be divided peacefully. Catholic vs Orthodox, Ukranian vs Russian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gwax23 View Post
    The country should be divided peacefully. Catholic vs Orthodox, Ukranian vs Russian.
    Socialist v Socialist.

    No one wins but the banks.
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    Russia should denounce all violence. And then stay out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Russia should denounce all violence. And then stay out.
    I agree .

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    If I was a Ukrainian I would not be interested in being part of Russia or the EU ......

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Will the US invade Ukraine?

    To force them to join the EU?
    I doubt they would do so in order to force them to join the EU, given the EU is a rival world power, but they might try some sort of action to piss off Russia.

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    I've heard that they already have - not sure if its true. I work with someone who's family lives in Kiev, and he says that they claim the Russians are doing the violent resistance. The guy claims that the locals are still protesting, but they have been peaceful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    If I was a Ukrainian I would not be interested in being part of Russia or the EU ......
    The leave the question of what to make of the people who see it fit to destroy and kill for the pleasure of being part of the EU

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    If I was a Ukrainian I would not be interested in being part of Russia or the EU ......
    That goes along with those of us who think...."How about no one invades anyone and leaves the Ukraine alone".
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    50/50 chance. Putin is emboldened lately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    If I was a Ukrainian I would not be interested in being part of Russia or the EU ......
    That is what Ukrainian elites tried to do. However neither Europe nor Russia are interested in letting them be independent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverhandorder View Post
    That is what Ukrainian elites tried to do. However neither Europe nor Russia are interested in letting them be independent.
    What exactly do you mean by letting them be independent? Ukraine is in a lot of financial trouble, they import most of their heating oil from Russia, they are in partnership with Russia that allows them to sell to Russia with very low tariffs, on top of that they still owe Russia billions in unpaid gas bills.

    They can be independent if they want, nobody is forcing them to do anything but it will come with consequences just like every irresponsible adult who is forced to move back to his parents house knows. Ukraine put it self into this bind and its not Russia or EU's fault that they require conditions for their assistance.
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    The Ukraine has already lost too much of its land due to Russian encroachment and imperialism. (not to mention Stalin's genocide)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Smart3 View Post
    The Ukraine has already lost too much of its land due to Russian encroachment and imperialism. (not to mention Stalin's genocide)


    If I was them , I would build an Army and take it all , LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverhandorder View Post
    That is what Ukrainian elites tried to do. However neither Europe nor Russia are interested in letting them be independent.
    Time to tell them all to fuck off.

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    Then , right now , I would start coining real money and become the preferred currency ....

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    Those maps are just maps. Borders dramatically change all the time. In the case of Ukraine many are ethnically Russian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverhandorder View Post
    Those maps are just maps. Borders dramatically change all the time. In the case of Ukraine many are ethnically Russian.
    I reckon that would be right , considering the Russians starved them out to death . LOL , they seem to have forgotten too quickly , I would never , ever forget .

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    I dunno history maybe you right. Russian's living in Ukraine consider them selves to have just as much right to live there as western Ukrainians. There is also deep hatred for the part of the country that supported nazis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverhandorder View Post
    I dunno history maybe you right. Russian's living in Ukraine consider them selves to have just as much right to live there as western Ukrainians. There is also deep hatred for the part of the country that supported nazis.
    Well . I hate Nazis ,lol

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    Not that the Russians from that time were much better ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    I reckon that would be right , considering the Russians starved them out to death . LOL , they seem to have forgotten too quickly , I would never , ever forget .
    The Russians didn't starve them, Stalin and his gangs did. The Russians suffered as much as everyone else, perhaps even more, under communism.

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    Firearms are being distributed to police. Looks like civil war at this point between West and East.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eduardo89 View Post
    The Russians didn't starve them, Stalin and his gangs did. The Russians suffered as much as everyone else, perhaps even more, under communism.
    Oh , I agree the people suffered , suffering is after all the fruit of that system.

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