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    Default FBI (all the way up to Hoover) Knowingly Frames Innocent Men, Covers Up Evidence for Decades

    A case I just recently became aware of in which the FBI, all the way up to J. Edgar Hoover, conspired to imprison men for decades for a murder they knew the men didn't commit. Not only did they know the men did not commit the murder, they knew about the murder going to happen two days prior to it and did nothing to prevent it because of the "potential" good their informants could do if they were not imprisoned.

    Then they set up a man and coerced another to testify against him.. even going so far, as actual witnesses to the crime described a balding man, to say that the innocent man they were framing, who bore a full head of hair, disguised himself as balding.

    They knew the man was on trial for a murder he had not committed and discussed it in memos. They withheld evidence from the man's defense and covered up all traces of the crime for over thirty years. Words don't even describe this one.


    Gov't to pay $102M for mob convictions


    BOSTON (AP) — In a stinging rebuke of the FBI, a federal judge on Thursday ordered the government to pay a record judgment of nearly $102 million because agents withheld evidence that would have kept four men from spending decades in prison for a mob murder they did not commit.
    Judge Nancy Gertner told a packed courtroom that agents were trying to protect informants when they encouraged a witness to lie, then withheld evidence they knew could prove the four men were not involved in the 1965 murder of Edward "Teddy" Deegan, a small-time thug shot in an alley.

    Gertner said Boston FBI agents knew mob hitman Joseph "The Animal" Barboza lied when he named Joseph Salvati, Peter Limone, Henry Tameleo and Louis Greco as Deegan's killers. She said the FBI considered the four "collateral damage" in its war against the Mafia, the bureau's top priority in the 1960s.

    Tameleo and Greco died behind bars, and Salvati and Limone spent three decades in prison before they were exonerated in 2001. Salvati, Limone and the families of the other men sued the federal government for malicious prosecution.

    "Do I want the money? Yes, I want my children, my grandchildren to have things I didn't have, but nothing can compensate for what they've done," said Salvati, 75.

    "It's been a long time coming," said Limone, 73. "What I've been through — I hope it never happens to anyone else."

    The case is only the latest to highlight the cozy relationship Boston mobsters enjoyed with FBI agents for decades. Former Boston agent John Connolly was sentenced in 2002 to 10 years in prison for his role in protecting two organized crime kingpins, including one who remains a fugitive.

    Gertner said FBI agents Dennis Condon and H. Paul Rico not only withheld evidence of Barboza's lie, but told state prosecutors who were handling the Deegan murder investigation that they had checked out Barboza's story and it was true.

    "The FBI's misconduct was clearly the sole cause of this conviction," the judge said.

    The government had argued federal authorities had no duty to share information with state officials who prosecuted the men. Federal authorities cannot be held responsible for the results of a state prosecution, a Justice Department lawyer said.

    Gertner rejected that argument.

    "The government's position is, in a word, absurd," she said.

    A Boston FBI spokeswoman referred calls to the Department of Justice. Charles Miller, a spokesman for the Justice Department, said officials would have no immediate comment.

    Peter Neufeld, co-founder of the Innocence Project, a New York-based legal advocacy group that specializes in overturning wrongful convictions, said the $101.75 million award is the largest ever in a wrongful-conviction case.

    Gertner awarded $26 million to Limone, $29 million to Salvati, $13 million to Tameleo's estate and $28 million to Greco's estate. The wives of Limone and Salvati and the estate of Tameleo's deceased wife each received slightly more than $1 million. The men's 10 children were each awarded $250,000.

    Limone and Salvati stared straight ahead as the judge announced her ruling, but a gasp was heard from the area where their friends and family were sitting when Gertner said how much the government would be forced to pay.

    At the time of Deegan's slaying, Tameleo and Limone were reputed leaders of the New England mob, while Greco and Salvati had minor criminal records.

    Deegan's murder had gone unsolved until the FBI recruited Barboza to testify against several organized crime figures. Barboza wanted to protect a fellow FBI informant, Vincent "Jimmy" Flemmi, who was involved in the Deegan slaying, and agreed to testify for state prosecutors in the case, plaintiff's lawyers said.

    Tameleo died in prison in 1985 after serving 18 years. Greco died in prison in 1995 after serving 28 years.

    Salvati was sentenced to life in prison as an accessory to murder. He was released from prison when his sentence was commuted in 1997, after serving a little more than 29 years. Limone served 33 years in prison before being freed in 2001.

    Salvati and Limone were exonerated in 2001 after FBI memos dating back to the Deegan case surfaced during probes into the Boston FBI's relationship with gangsters and FBI informants Stephen "The Rifleman" Flemmi, Vincent's brother, and James "Whitey" Bulger, who has been on the FBI's "10 Most Wanted" list for years.

    Republican Rep. Dan Burton of Indiana, who chaired the House Government Reform Committee when it conducted an investigation of the FBI and its use of criminal informants, said he was gratified by the judge's ruling.

    "This was one of the biggest injustices that I have ever seen," Burton said.

    One of the agents blamed in the case, Rico, was arrested in 2003 on murder and conspiracy charges in the 1981 killing of a Tulsa, businessman. Rico died in state custody in 2004 while awaiting trial.

    Attorneys for Condon did not immediately return phone messages seeking comment Thursday.

    During testimony before Burton's committee in 2001, Rico denied he and his partner helped frame an innocent man for Deegan's death, but acknowledged that Salvati wrongly spent 30 years in prison for the crime.

    Rico was unrepentant when asked how he felt about Salvati's wrongful imprisonment.

    "What do you want, tears?" he said.


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    This judge will either have an accident or become deathly ill very soon.....

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    Origins (1908-1910)

    The FBI originated from a force of special agents created in 1908 by Attorney General Charles Bonaparte during the presidency of Theodore Roosevelt. The two men first met when they both spoke at a meeting of the Baltimore Civil Service Reform Association. Roosevelt, then Civil Service commissioner, boasted of his reforms in federal law enforcement. It was 1892, a time when law enforcement was often political rather than professional. Roosevelt spoke with pride of his insistence that Border Patrol applicants pass marksmanship tests, with the most accurate getting the jobs. Following Roosevelt on the program, Bonaparte countered, tongue in cheek, that target shooting was not the way to get the best men. "Roosevelt should have had the men shoot at each other and given the jobs to the survivors."

    Roosevelt and Bonaparte both were "Progressives." They shared the conviction that efficiency and expertise, not political connections, should determine who could best serve in government. Theodore Roosevelt became President of the United States in 1901; four years later, he appointed Bonaparte to be attorney general. In 1908, Bonaparte applied that Progressive philosophy to the Department of Justice by creating a corps of special agents. It had neither a name nor an officially designated leader other than the attorney general. Yet, these former detectives and Secret Service men were the forerunners of the FBI.
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    Roosevelt should have had the men shoot at each other and given the jobs to the survivors.
    Now that would be a law enforcement agency to be proud of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    This judge will either have an accident or become deathly ill very soon.....
    The article is from 2007. The case is older but I just recently came across it. I did a search and couldn't find any reference to it here.
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    Couldn't have happened. I'm told our government is incapable of committing a conspiracy.
    Theye have refused their Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

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    Bump.
    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

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    Bump
    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Couldn't have happened. I'm told our government is incapable of committing a conspiracy.
    I like the part where the " Justice " Dept lawyer made the case that the Feds had " no duty to share information with state officials " . Judge found that " absurd " .

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    So, I'm guessing it's $102 million to be divided between the four men, right?

    So for the math impaired, that's $25.5 million each.
    Just the federal tax on that works out to over $10.2 million, leaving $15.27 million.
    If they live in a fantasy world where there are no state taxes, legal fees, or other ways that gets whittled away, that amounts to a little over $500k per year imprisoned.

    This isn't a record settlement. This is "go away kid, you bother me" money.
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

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    In a stinging rebuke of SWLOD to the FBI, a federal judge on Thursday ordered the government innocent taxpayers to pay a record judgment of nearly $102 million [...]
    Fixed.

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    So, this is the "justice" department at work. Makes perfect sense, in an Orwellian sort of way.
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