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    In Texas, Rand Paul meets Cruz

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    Dallas, Texas (CNN) – Texas is a vast and diverse state with sprawling urban centers and wide open pastures, but sometimes the political universe here can feel pretty small.

    Rand Paul, the Kentucky Senator and Republican presidential aspirant, was reminded of this on Friday.

    Arriving in Dallas at the outset of a multi-day visit to the state, Paul spent Friday meeting with a handful of financial supporters and assorted Republican politicians. On leaving the office of one of the city’s GOP donors, Paul bumped into a familiar face: Ted Cruz, his fellow Senator from Texas and another ambitious Republican who is courting grassroots conservatives in advance of a possible presidential bid.

    Cruz was walking in to meet with the very same donor. The two Senators, who have something of a chilly relationship, exchanged hellos before Paul went on to his next stop.


    Though Paul crossed paths with one of his rivals, his visit to Texas was hardly a risky mission behind enemy lines. Paul grew up outside of Houston, attended Baylor University and pays frequent visits to his mother and father, the former congressman and libertarian icon Ron Paul.

    As he put it on Friday, “I speak fluent Texan.”

    Paul’s first public appearance here was on friendly political turf: He headlined a rally in Dallas for a Republican candidate named Don Huffines, a family friend and real estate developer who is mounting a primary challenge against an entrenched state Senate incumbent with appeals to the tea party, libertarians and evangelicals. They were joined at the event by author and radio host Glenn Beck, a Dallas resident who spent the afternoon with Paul.

    Trying to stir a polite crowd of several hundred supporters inside the Frontiers of Flight Museum at Love Field, the mild-mannered Huffines delivered a cascade of tea party bromides aimed squarely at the fiery conservative base that has come to dominate Republican politics in Texas.

    “I will not compromise my faith in God,” Huffines said. “I will not compromise my Constitutional convictions. I will not compromise my core beliefs in liberty.”

    Paul, in slacks and a blazer, spoke briefly, riffing in his low-key style about the dangers of government overreach and the inability of politicians in both parties to make tough decisions about spending. He criticized the federal budget deal put together by Rep. Paul Ryan and Sen. Patty Murray late last year, saying that “spending is now going up again” in Washington.

    But Paul’s Texas tour was not all tea party fire and brimstone.

    In an interview with CNN before the event, Paul revealed that he met with George P. Bush, a candidate for Texas Land Commissioner. Bush also happens to be the 37-year old son of former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, whose name continues to surface in discussions about the 2016 Republican presidential race.

    The younger Bush and Paul hail from starkly different wings of their party: Bush is considered the political heir apparent in a family that helped construct the very Republican establishment that Paul and his father have been sniping at from the party’s fringes for decades.

    Paul said he had no plans to endorse Bush in the Land Commissioner race, but he said they agreed on the need to expand the Republican Party’s appeal to Hispanic voters and working class Americans. Bush’s mother is originally from Mexico, and he speaks effortless Spanish.

    “I think the fact that he is a fluent Spanish speaker and spoken to the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, it’s good for our party,” Paul said of George P. Bush. “I think having people who are trying to make the party bigger is good. The party has to be bigger across the country, not only appealing to people of various ethnic background but various economic backgrounds.”

    The private huddle with a scion of the Bush dynasty was the latest indicator that Paul is keen on making nice with establishment Republicans as he sketches out a possible presidential bid that can reach voters outside of his grassroots, small-government base.

    But despite his courtship with the party’s civil country club set, he remained pugnacious when asked about his recent spate of comments about Bill and Hillary Clinton. Paul has invoked the former president’s affair with Monica Lewinsky as evidence of the Democratic Party’s hypocrisy on the issue of women’s' rights, going so far as to call Bill Clinton a “sexual predator.”

    He echoed those remarks on Friday. He predicted that Hillary Clinton will have to answer questions her husband’s affair if she decides to run for president in 2016.

    “It isn’t her fault the way her husband’s behaved,” Paul told CNN. “But at the same time, I think that they are a fundraising team. He does a lot of fundraising for candidates. I think if they want to beat up on Republicans and say Republicans don’t like women, I think that one of the big things that we advanced in the last several decades is that women are protected in the workplace.”

    “I’m sure Don would tell you he would fire anybody that took advantage of a 20 years old girl,” Paul said, referring to Hoffines. “If one of his managers had the same kind of problems that Bill Clinton had with a 20-year old girl, he wouldn’t work for him anymore. It’s not acceptable behavior, and yet they are out there saying they are the great crusaders for women’s rights. I think that’s some hypocrisy that they will have to explain.”



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    The two Senators, who have something of a chilly relationship, exchanged hellos before Paul went on to his next stop.
    Sorry, I don't take this at face value. I wasn't there, but I don't take MSM spin as accurate either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Sorry, I don't take this at face value. I wasn't there, but I don't take MSM spin as accurate either.
    They do have a chillier relationship than they used to. Rand Paul abandoned Cruz on the Obamacare fight, then Cruz told donors that Ron's "strident libertarianism" would make things hard for Rand, then Rand reacted by saying that shutting down the government was a "dumb idea".

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    Quote Originally Posted by jj- View Post
    They do have a chillier relationship than they used to. Rand Paul abandoned Cruz on the Obamacare fight, then Cruz told donors Ron's "strident libertarianism" would make things hard for Rand, then Rand reacted by saying that shutting down the government was a "dumb idea".
    Good. I hope Rand continues to distance himself from Cruz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajuncocoa View Post
    Good. I hope Rand continues to distance himself from Cruz.
    I think when Rand distances himself from Cruz's limited government positions, like fighting Obamacare, that's a bad thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jj- View Post
    I think when Rand distances himself from Cruz's limited government positions, like fighting Obamacare, that's a bad thing.
    I'm not convinced that Cruz is a limited government candidate. Of course I wouldn't want Rand to distance himself from such a position, just from Cruz in general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajuncocoa View Post
    I'm not convinced that Cruz is a limited government candidate. Of course I wouldn't want Rand to distance himself from such a position, just from Cruz in general.
    Would you support Ron Paul distancing himself from leftists like Dennis Kucinich and Jesse Ventura?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajuncocoa View Post
    I'm not convinced that Cruz is a limited government candidate. Of course I wouldn't want Rand to distance himself from such a position, just from Cruz in general.
    His willingness to shut down the government to defund Obamacare makes him a more limited government person than just about anyone else.



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    Chilly relationship? Liberal MSM divide and conquer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jj- View Post
    I think when Rand distances himself from Cruz's limited government positions, like fighting Obamacare, that's a bad thing.
    It was just a difference in tactics. Shutting down the government was never going to succeed in repealing Obamacare. The Democrats would've kept the government shut down for 3 years before they agreed to repeal Obamacare. Obamacare wasn't even defunded at all during the so called "government shutdown."

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Chilly relationship? Liberal MSM divide and conquer.
    Yeah, I thought that was weird too. There's really no evidence of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jj- View Post
    His willingness to shut down the government to defund Obamacare makes him a more limited government person than just about anyone else.
    And you know that he had the help & support of Boehner and Cantor while doing so, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jj- View Post
    His willingness to shut down the government to defund Obamacare makes him a more limited government person than just about anyone else.
    Yeah, just forget about his comments about wanting to imprison marijuana smokers in Colorado and bomb Iran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traditional Conservative View Post
    The Democrats would've kept the government shut down for 3 years before they agreed to repeal Obamacare.
    That would've been great, no EPA for three years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traditional Conservative View Post
    Yeah, just forget about his comments about wanting to imprison marijuana smokers in Colorado and bomb Iran.
    Most of the rest want to do the same thing AND fund Obamacare without a fight. So it doesn't change the veracity of my statement that he is better than just about anyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traditional Conservative View Post
    Yeah, just forget about his comments about wanting to imprison marijuana smokers in Colorado and bomb Iran.
    He voted for reforming mandatory minimum sentencing laws. His votes matter, not statements.



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    I find it shocking that the person people here want to whine about is the one who if it were up to him, the government would've still been shut down and the EPA defunded.
    Last edited by jj-; 02-08-2014 at 04:02 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Chilly relationship? Liberal MSM divide and conquer.
    Although Rand is also unprincipled/pandered on some issues, Christian Zionists like Glenn Beck and Ted Cruz come across as downright war mongerers, supporters of oppression & enablers of Police State at home. Ted Cruz talking about "small government" while attacking Obama for reducing funding for NSA spying during "gov shutdown" also makes him look like a scam artist/neocons planted snake.
    I hope Rand can "use" him but I won't mind even if there was a real chill. False messiahs Like Beck, Cruz would never lead anyone to the right kingdom.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jj- View Post
    I find it shocking that the person people here want to whine about is the one who if it were up to him, the government should've still been shut down and the EPA defunded.
    I thought that the "so called shutdown" was exposing the administration as bratty children. More and more stories about the government dreaming up ways to make it rough for people, in such blatantly unnecessary ways. I only saw it as a good thing, if such a thing as good can come from anything the government may do in it's current form.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jj- View Post
    Most of the rest want to do the same thing AND fund Obamacare without a fight. So it doesn't change the veracity of my statement that he is better than just about anyone else.
    Yeah I know, but he's not better than Rand, despite Rand's position on the government shutdown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by compromise View Post
    He voted for reforming mandatory minimum sentencing laws. His votes matter, not statements.
    If I said I wanted to shoot you in the head, would you still want to be my friend as long as I didn't act on it? Of course not.

    Ted Cruz's ideology is clearly shown by his statements. He's a good hawkish, right wing republican. He's an awful liberty candidate.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Traditional Conservative View Post
    Yeah I know, but he's not better than Rand, despite Rand's position on the government shutdown.
    What does this unrelated topic have to do with our conversation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by compromise View Post
    He voted for reforming mandatory minimum sentencing laws. His votes matter, not statements.
    Yeah, I'm not saying that he's terrible, but just pointing out that I don't believe that he's anywhere close to as pro liberty as Rand, regardless of Rand thinking that the government shutdown was a bad idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jj- View Post
    What does this unrelated topic have to do with our conversation?
    I thought in your comments below, you were saying that Cruz is better from a limited government perspective than Rand. Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying.

    Quote Originally Posted by jj- View Post
    I think when Rand distances himself from Cruz's limited government positions, like fighting Obamacare, that's a bad thing.
    Quote Originally Posted by jj- View Post
    His willingness to shut down the government to defund Obamacare makes him a more limited government person than just about anyone else.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Traditional Conservative View Post
    I thought in your comments below, you were saying that Cruz is better from a limited government perspective than Rand. Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying.
    I don't recall saying or implying that Rand is better than Cruz or the other way around. Could you highlight the sentence you're referring to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jj- View Post
    I don't recall saying or implying that Rand is better than Cruz or the other way around. Could you highlight the sentence you're referring to?
    You said that Rand was distancing himself from Cruz's limited government positions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traditional Conservative View Post
    You said that Rand was distancing himself from Cruz's limited government positions.
    On defunding Obamacare, in the past. So that in your mind would imply that Cruz is better than Rand?
    Last edited by jj-; 02-08-2014 at 04:15 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jj- View Post
    That would've been great, no EPA for three years.
    Can I assume you don't mean this epa?
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    Quote Originally Posted by compromise View Post
    Would you support Ron Paul distancing himself from leftists like Dennis Kucinich and Jesse Ventura?
    On economic issues, definitely. Ron makes it clear that he disagrees with liberal/socialist economic policies...there is no need to question that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jj- View Post
    On defunding Obamacare, in the past. So that in your mind would imply that Cruz is better than Rand?
    It sounded like it was you who was thinking that, when you said these things. I think that is where the confusion came from.

    Quote Originally Posted by jj- View Post
    His willingness to shut down the government to defund Obamacare makes him a more limited government person than just about anyone else.
    His willingness to shut down the government to defund Obamacare makes him a more limited government person than just about anyone else.
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