"What person in their right mind would ask a...law enforcement officer why?"

[phill4paul]

http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/jerry-waller/

FORT WORTH, TX — An elderly man was slain in his own garage because police “inadvertently began searching” the wrong address while investigating a burglary call. Spotting a man who appeared “standoffish” in his own garage, police opened fire, killing a 72-year-old grandfather. After months of investigation, the officer has been cleared and is back on the streets.

Hoeppner gave the following statements:

“…the whole entire time I’m giving commands, “Drop the gun, drop the gun, drop the gun.” “And he’s not dropping it and he had this attitude towards us that…it was almost an attitude of, you can’t tell me to drop my gun.” “You know what I mean?” “Like who are you to telling me to, you know what I mean.” “He kind of had an attitude kind of very hostile towards us…”

“I’m pretty sure I told you this; but I wanna reiterate that he…umm, his…his attitude towards us was very malicious.” “It…it was not, pro-police at all.” “ He did not seem happy that, that we were there.”

…if someone who…who…who…is….you get someone out there who would follow the gun laws; and…and that understands that a police officer is telling you this, that you’re not gonna sit there and hold the gun still; cause….I mean like…it’s almost as if he was challenging me.” “And the fact…the reason I say that is I mean, his….the way he stood; I mean…I mean his comments as in, ‘why’…” “ You know like, what…what person in their right man…mind would ask a peace officer…a, a law enforcement officer…’why’ …when he tells you and give you verbal commands that we’re being serious…, drop the gun, you know. Your law abiding citizen is not going to tell… going to ask you, why.”

The way he talks to me is a very stand-off attitude.” “ You know…you know when he say, get…get the light outta my eyes, it wasn’t please sir; get the light outta my eyes.” “Hey, can you please get the light outta my eyes.” “It was, get the light outta my eyes!” “You know, it was real standoff, like…you know…”

Now that I think back on it and you know, had all this time to think on it. I think his intentions as soon as he walked out that door and saw me and he didn’t want to put the gun down, I firmly believe that he was trying to find a point and time where…when…when he could shoot me at when…when…when it was the most beneficial time for him to shoot me.”

[Lucille]

Wow. So it was contempt of cop that got him killed.

[phill4paul]

Wow. So it was contempt of cop that got him killed.

If that testimony doesn't convince then I don't even know what possibly would.

[aGameOfThrones]

[Philhelm]

Your law abiding citizen is not going to tell… going to ask you, why.

Reminds me of, "Good citizens don't argue."

[jllundqu]

Unreal. Seems we've heard this story before.

1. Cop shows up at wrong house.
2. Kills innocent citizen
3. Cleared of all charges and back on the street
4. Because $#@! You, that's why.

[aGameOfThrones]

After hearing Officer Hoeppner’s partner swear under oath that Mr. Waller pointed his gun, a Tarrant County grand jury declined to indict the rookie cop. Both officers had been with the department for under one year.

5% bad... Riiiiiiiiiight.

[tod evans]

And these idiots are who government arms!

Lord help us...

[SeanTX]

After hearing Officer Hoeppner’s partner swear under oath that Mr. Waller pointed his gun, a Tarrant County grand jury declined to indict the rookie cop. Both officers had been with the department for under one year.

And this same "partner" was fired for giving false statements in another case.

[phill4paul]

And this same "partner" was fired for giving false statements in another case.

Oh, my!

FORT WORTH, Texas (AP) - A Fort Worth police officer involved in the fatal shooting of an armed homeowner has been fired in an unrelated case.

In a statement, Police Chief Jeffrey Halstead says Officer Benjamin B. Hanlon was fired for falsifying an arrest affidavit in an Aug. 9 traffic stop. Halstead says drugs were found on the suspect during jail booking, but Hanlon's affidavit stated that they were found on the suspect at the scene of the traffic stop.

Hanlon was still on probation, so his firing can't be appealed.

Hanlon was one of two officers who went to an east Fort Worth home on a burglary call before dawn May 28. But they went to the wrong house, encountered 72-year-old Jerry Waller and shot him dead when he refused to drop his handgun.

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[Origanalist]

Sadly, he brought this on himself. It's a tragedy, but the officer is innocent. Looks like another case of suicide by cop.

[Christian Liberty]

Sadly, he brought this on himself. It's a tragedy, but the officer is innocent. Looks like another case of suicide by cop.

Can I assume sarcasm?

[kcchiefs6465]

Can I assume sarcasm?

Yes.

[It's from another thread]

[HOLLYWOOD]

Who employs the county Grand Jury?

There's your answer... and I'm sure you'll find they are somehow related to employees within the .gov system. The $#@!s all rigged today.

[tod evans]

Who employs the county Grand Jury?

There's your answer... and I'm sure you'll find they are somehow related to employees within the .gov system. The $#@!s all rigged today.

Asking the police to police the police......



"Just-Us"

[kcchiefs6465]

Who employs the county Grand Jury?

There's your answer... and I'm sure you'll find they are somehow related to employees within the .gov system. The $#@!s all rigged today.

1 out of 9 people work for the government.

ETA: That is of what I would call an "official capacity." The number is surely higher.

[Christian Liberty]

1 out of 9 people work for the government.

ETA: That is of what I would call an "official capacity." The number is surely higher.

How many of those are soldiers, cops, or tax collectors? I think that number may be the more important number, beause I'd be hard pressed to believe that the public librarian is more "pro-government" than anyone else when it comes to this sort of thing.

[SeanTX]

How many of those are soldiers, cops, or tax collectors? I think that number may be the more important number, beause I'd be hard pressed to believe that the public librarian is more "pro-government" than anyone else when it comes to this sort of thing.

You have to figure in cop family members too -- I figure they'd be most desired as jurors when the actions of an LEO are being considered.

If I recall correctly (maybe I'm wrong, it's been a couple of years) on the jury selection form here in TX there's a box you are supposed to check if you've ever had a relative who served as a "peace officer." Seems like a great way to pick jurors who are likely to be sympathetic to law enforcement officers.

Though I'd rather see it be an automatic disqualification, since a lot of family members of cops see themselves as part of the "brotherhood" also.

[kcchiefs6465]

How many of those are soldiers, cops, or tax collectors? I think that number may be the more important number, beause I'd be hard pressed to believe that the public librarian is more "pro-government" than anyone else when it comes to this sort of thing.

Of course.

I haven't looked into it too deeply. The number would disturb me. The number already disturbs me.

How many people work, versus how many collect? We are speaking absurdly one sided numbers. Much more than the 1 in 9 I've been conservatively using. This is an entire society based upon what one can get from another. 25,000,000 people work for the government at an "official capacity." That doesn't include the builders of death, or those collecting. How many do benefit by this propped up legal plundering?

We are speaking of greater than 50/50 who have an incentive to keep things the way they are. Greater than 75/25. It is no wonder the police cannot be made to face trial, and if do are acquitted, and that not a thing can be cut.

I think Lysander Spooner summed it up best in No Treason, Section I:

Sixth. It is not improbable that many or most of the worst of governments --- although established by force, and by a few, in the first place --- come, in time, to be supported by a majority. But if they do, this majority is composed, in large part, of the most ignorant, superstitious, timid, dependent, servile, and corrupt portions of the people; of those who have been over-awed by the power, intelligence, wealth, and arrogance; of those who have been deceived by the frauds; and of those who have been corrupted by the inducements, of the few who really constitute the government. Such majorities, very likely, could be found in half, perhaps nine-tenths, of all the countries on the globe. What do they prove? Nothing but the tyranny and corruption of the very governments that have reduced so large portions of [*9] the people to their present ignorance, servility, degradation, and corruption; an ignorance, servility, degradation, and corruption that are best illustrated in the simple fact that they do sustain governments that have so oppressed, degraded, and corrupted them. They do nothing towards proving that the governments themselves are legitimate; or that they ought to be sustained, or even endured, by those who understand their true character. The mere fact, therefore, that a government chances to be sustained by a majority, of itself proves nothing that is necessary to be proved, in order to know whether such government should be sustained, or not.

If I could scream said point loud enough at someone for them to simply understand it.... I probably would.

[Anti Federalist]

If I could scream said point loud enough at someone for them to simply understand it.... I probably would.

If I speak,
At one constant volume,
At one constant pitch,
At one constant rhythm,
Right into your ear,
You still won't hear,
You still won't hear
You still won't hear, you still won't hear
You still won't hear, you still won't hear
You still won't hear, you still won't hear
You still won't hear, you still won't hear
You still won't hear...

[KCIndy]

1 out of 9 people work for the government.

ETA: That is of what I would call an "official capacity." The number is surely higher.

That's just the beginning.

Now let's add on the number of people related to that 1 in 9. Spouses and kids are likely going to hear a very pro-statist view from the family member who is putting food on the table by working for the government.

How many times have you heard a cop's wife/kid/sibling launch the old "you just don't understand!" defense?

Now let's take a look at the remaining population. Among those who don't have a close relative employed by the state, how many are *receiving* goodies from the state? How many are getting housing subsidies, welfare, food stamps, fuel and heating assistance, free medical and other forms of government largesse? How many of those are going to view "Uncle Sugar" as a bad guy as long as they're "gettin stuff!" from the state?

And among the paltry numbers of the proud, hard working souls who are left, how many of those come from households where it is viewed as patriotic to blindly support the police because they're "protecting" us?

Anyone think we're probably approaching about seven or eight out of ten?

THIS is why we're screwed.

[tod evans]

That's just the beginning.

Now let's add on the number of people related to that 1 in 9. Spouses and kids are likely going to hear a very pro-statist view from the family member who is putting food on the table by working for the government.

How many times have you heard a cop's wife/kid/sibling launch the old "you just don't understand!" defense?

Now let's take a look at the remaining population. Among those who don't have a close relative employed by the state, how many are *receiving* goodies from the state? How many are getting housing subsidies, welfare, food stamps, fuel and heating assistance, free medical and other forms of government largesse? How many of those are going to view "Uncle Sugar" as a bad guy as long as they're "gettin stuff!" from the state?

And among the paltry numbers of the proud, hard working souls who are left, how many of those come from households where it is viewed as patriotic to blindly support the police because they're "protecting" us?

Anyone think we're probably approaching about seven or eight out of ten?

THIS is why we're screwed.

^^^^^^^^^^^^This! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Occam's Banana]

I see a severe imbalance in the way this forum tends to treat cops vs. the way military people are respected:
Our military is just as brutal and murderous in several USA occupied countries, so why is this forum generally pro-military pro baby killers?

Note: I'm not saying we should all be anti-military, just more consistent and fair. Either be easier on the average cop, or much tougher on our men overseas.

That's almost certainly not going to happen - at least, not just on general or abstract principle.

The reason for this is that the cops are employed in the War on Us - while the military is employed in the War on Them.

It's the same reason that people around here are going to bitch more about the US government than about the North Korean government - or more about Abraham Lincoln than about Jefferson Davis. It's not that ALL of those things don't deserve to be bitched about - they all do. But people are quite naturally & understandably going bitch with more frequency & intensity about the boots that are proximate to their necks than the ones that are not. (If the US Army ever starts bashing down doors & killing people here in America, for example, then you can bet your ass that RPFs will get one hell of a lot more "anti-military" ... but until then, cops are going to continue to get the lion's share of the "hate" ...)

[Deborah K]

Who employs the county Grand Jury?

There's your answer... and I'm sure you'll find they are somehow related to employees within the .gov system. The $#@!s all rigged today.

Beat me to it.

[bunklocoempire]

“I’m pretty sure I told you this; but I wanna reiterate that he…umm, his…his attitude towards us was very malicious.” “It…it was not, pro-police at all.” “ He did not seem happy that, that we were there.”

Now why oh why would the dead man who was murdered by your team take that attitude Mr. police guy?

That is Cane Mutiny delusional right there.

[otherone]

“It…it was not, pro-police at all.” “ He did not seem happy that, that we were there.”

[Anti Federalist]

Some well thought out and strongly worded, but polite, letters of disapproval will fix this.

[DamianTV]

Some well thought out and strongly worded, but polite, letters of disapproval will fix this.

Those letters only provide a means to Legitamize the existence of an already corrupt system. "Dear Sir or Ma'am, we surrender. Now this is what we want. Beat us less severely. -Signed The Mundanes".

[phill4paul]

Some well thought out and strongly worded, but polite, letters of disapproval will fix this.

Correct on one count: Polite. Make sure to use "Please" and "Please, sir." Do not use strong words or voice disapproval lest you be considered as one who is not "pro-police." Remember these are peace offic...errrr..law enforcement officers. We cannot know the stress they are under.

[JK/SEA]

Some well thought out and strongly worded, but polite, letters of disapproval will fix this.

i'm on it.

who's with me?