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  1. #31
    The biggest benefit for my kids from public school has been interacting with other kids. Most of what they teach is so easy for them they breeze right through it.



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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    Life is not lived inside a bubble.
    The implication here being that homeschooling constitutes life in a bubble. FAIL.

    Keeping our children isolated from public education may not be in their best interest.
    Do you have the first idea of what goes on in public schools? Either you do not or you are a malevolent entity.

    Parents can teach their children liberty minded principles and keep them from becoming indoctrinated by the system.
    Lay with dogs, expect to get fleas.

    Your children could help spread liberty minded ideals to their peers.
    Sure, only it is not their job to teach someone else's brats. But that's not the real problem with your theory. Send your children out to scrub the filthy wad of humanity known as their class mates and they will attract the wrong sorts of attention. So will you. A couple in NJ some 15 or more years ago had their sone taken from them when they came to school to demand the nurse stop drugging him with Ritalin. They were arrested and charged with child abuse. That is relatively minor when compared with the offense of causing a disturbance, by encouraging other students to become infected with wrong thinking. Are you naive enough to actually believe that such children would be tolerated in a public school?

    When I left teaching in '86 the state of affairs was at that time outrageous to my eyes. I caught students having sex, smoking joints, doing lines... It is probably close to an order of magnitude worse today. Teachers have next to zero prerogative and are compelled to teach to the test. Deviation from that results in impacted test scores and then administrative eyes are suddenly on you. I could go on, but suffice it to say that if you understood just what a wildly destructive deal the public schools are you would issue an apology for having written this nonsense.

    Ever known an old school type immigrant from Poland or somewhere that raises their child in the US under very strict guidelines?
    Ever see a parent lose his children for raising his child in a strict set of guidelines from 40 years ago? An acquaintance from MN had a son, single father. Son wanted to go to a party on a Wednesday night - school night mind you - where alcohol was to be served. Son was in either 7th or 8th grade. Dad said "no way". Son got pissed, called CPS and said dad was "touching him". Within an hour Theye arrived, arrested dad and put sonny into the system. Son immediately recanted, but it made no difference. It took two years to get sonny back and to clear the matter with the court. His name was sullied for life.

    Another couple from MN, friends of an old gf, were visiting mom's mother in Michigan. Baby fell, as babies do, and took her to the ER. Doc decided child had been beaten and cops arrived. Mom and dad went into cuffs, baby stolen away. Eighteen months later they got the child back from the state of MI, and about $100K, which destroyed them financially.

    These are the things that happen when you attract the wrong sorts of attention.

    So go ahead, try your theory out and get back to us. Until then, rational people will keep their children as far from those dens of iniquity as is humanly possible.

    Everything taught in school is not bad.
    Everything doesn't have to be. Just enough and of the right things. Hello. Some of the TRAINING in public schools is quite good. That is not the issue. The point of concern is the social context in which all this good training occurs. Obedience and pro-forma question/response has NOTHING to do with proper education, but only training a child to the whipmaster's command. If that is what you want for your children, have at it. I find it all terribly uninteresting.

    You need to unscrew your head from your anus, because judging by the ridiculousness of this post it is abundantly clear that some grievous spasm wedged it up their such that you are dangerously oxygen-depleted. This baloney doesn't even merit ridicule, but I'm feeling generous.
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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by eduardo89 View Post
    Don't you run an all-girl boarding school in your bedroom?
    He should be so fortunate.
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    There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.

    It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.

    Our words make us the ghosts that we are.

    Convincing the world he didn't exist was the Devil's second greatest trick; the first was convincing us that God didn't exist.

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  7. #35
    My wife and I have chosen to Homeschool and really Unschool for the most part. Our son is very academically advanced and putting him in Kindergarten would be a terrible mistake.

    The 'socialization' meme has been beaten to death. Our son is in Karate, Soccer, Sign Language Class, Music, etc. He gets plenty of socialization, albeit not constant interaction with the same people every single day like in public school. He does have friends that we do regular playgroups with, too. We read several books a night and my wife follows a general curriculum during the week that involves reading, writing, math, civics and social studies, but he learns the most from just answering his questions (unschooling). Children are curious about the world and if we take the time to honestly explain it to them, they learn exponentially faster (and better) than in any public school.

    If our son wants a 'regular school experience', we may choose to have him go to a private school or a highly rated charter school later on (maybe 3rd/4th grade and up) but we wanted to make sure that it was the PARENTS who built the foundation for learning in our child, not the broken system.
    There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
    -Major General Smedley Butler, USMC,
    Two-Time Congressional Medal of Honor Winner
    Author of, War is a Racket!

    It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours.
    - Diogenes of Sinope

  8. #36
    And maybe one of the best reasons I have heard to homeschool is the simple fact that public school is a gamble! You don't know how your child will turn out... you literally 'send them off and hope for the best.' I'm sorry, but if I can provide better education thru Homeschool Co-ops, tutors, unschooling, etc., then that is my road.

    Mark Twain said it best, "I never let schooling interfere with my education."

    You will not produce a Thomas Jefferson (homeschooled) in a public school.
    You will not produce an Einstein (self-educated) in public school.
    You will not produce an Alexander G. Bell (homechooled) in public school.
    You will not produce a Benjamin Franklin (homeschooled) in public school.
    You will not produce a Thomas Edison (homeschooled) in public school.
    You will not prodice the Wright Brothers (homeschooled) in a public school.
    You will not produce an Albert Schweitzer (homeschooled) in a public school.

    All you will get from a public school is a cookie-cutter, submit to authority, mediocre education with the added risk of losing your child to drugs/porn/alcohol/violence/bullying/etc etc etc.
    There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
    -Major General Smedley Butler, USMC,
    Two-Time Congressional Medal of Honor Winner
    Author of, War is a Racket!

    It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours.
    - Diogenes of Sinope

  9. #37
    While I don't have any particular reason to oppose homeschooling or unschooling, as some of the smartest people I've encountered were homeschooled (haven't met any unschoolers yet), I would like to speak up in defense of my particular experience in public school (who knows -- maybe it will add a little bit of variety to this topic!). My parents taught me to read at the age of two and packed me off to public school, and I did just fine. I tend to enjoy more institutionalized settings for learning foreign languages and math and science. I did hate my history and government classes, but I was able to laugh about them with my mom and dad at home.

    In many cases, I don't think it's purposeful indoctrination so much as not being able to tell the entire story due to time constraints. Teachers aren't always evil automatons concerned with only teaching one version of something; typically, if I debated with them in a friendly and respectful way, they would respect my interest in the subject. There's a way to disagree with something without coming off as disrespectful. My American History I teacher in particular was able to present the Civil War in a very balanced fashion, and even got into the deeper, economic root causes of the war. A lot of libertarians like to caricature public education for, I suspect, dramatic effect, but these caricatures don't always approach reality. That being said, I am quite aware that there are a lot of issues with other public schools. I was fortunate enough to go to one of the top school districts in my state.

    I guess I am playing devil's advocate here because I don't like hysteria coming from either side in regard to this issue. Kids that haven't been raised properly at home being made to go to school (or perhaps any other institutionalized setting) is a toxic scenario; I am seeing the proof of this statement with my cousin's daughter now, who just had to be enrolled in cyber school -- I certainly wouldn't trust my cousin to homeschool her children.
    Last edited by Rothbardian Girl; 02-05-2014 at 11:37 AM.
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  10. #38
    Hard Times in Paradise is a book about homeschooled children who went to Harvard. Check out this website: www.anticlassroom.com

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    Life is not lived inside a bubble. Keeping our children isolated from public education may not be in their best interest. Parents can teach their children liberty minded principles and keep them from becoming indoctrinated by the system. Your children could help spread liberty minded ideals to their peers. Ever known an old school type immigrant from Poland or somewhere that raises their child in the US under very strict guidelines? How do they manage to keep their children in line when all other kids are doing??? It is called parenting. Everything taught in school is not bad. A person graduating from an Ivy League college with honors will earn more money in their lifetime than most.

    Dr. Leonard Sax (MD and PhD) in his book, "Why Gender Matters" actually cites multiple studies where children who are home schooled or go to school in single gender institutions actually date more and do better on tests and demonstrate knowledge levels wider and deeper than their public school counterparts. They tend to explore and seek out new experiences experiencing less peer pressure and restriction based on social standing. Kids in public schools have worse grades and are prone more to "hooking up" than actually associating with the opposite sex. They also tend to restrict their experiences based on the judgment of their peers, ex: girls won't explore the sciences because that is something boys do, and boys won't play "girly" musical instruments like the flute or clarinet.

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by Rothbardian Girl View Post
    While I don't have any particular reason to oppose homeschooling or unschooling, as some of the smartest people I've encountered were homeschooled (haven't met any unschoolers yet), I would like to speak up in defense of my particular experience in public school (who knows -- maybe it will add a little bit of variety to this topic!). My parents taught me to read at the age of two and packed me off to public school, and I did just fine. I tend to enjoy more institutionalized settings for learning foreign languages and math and science. I did hate my history and government classes, but I was able to laugh about them with my mom and dad at home.

    In many cases, I don't think it's purposeful indoctrination so much as not being able to tell the entire story due to time constraints. Teachers aren't always evil automatons concerned with only teaching one version of something; typically, if I debated with them in a friendly and respectful way, they would respect my interest in the subject. There's a way to disagree with something without coming off as disrespectful. My American History I teacher in particular was able to present the Civil War in a very balanced fashion, and even got into the deeper, economic root causes of the war. A lot of libertarians like to caricature public education for, I suspect, dramatic effect, but these caricatures don't always approach reality. That being said, I am quite aware that there are a lot of issues with other public schools. I was fortunate enough to go to one of the top school districts in my state.

    I guess I am playing devil's advocate here because I don't like hysteria coming from either side in regard to this issue. Kids that haven't been raised properly at home being made to go to school (or perhaps any other institutionalized setting) is a toxic scenario; I am seeing the proof of this statement with my cousin's daughter now, who just had to be enrolled in cyber school -- I certainly wouldn't trust my cousin to homeschool her children.

    I've come to realize that people like us- people that prospered despite the system- are few and far between. For every one of us there are 500 students that don't learn anything in public schools anymore. I'm shocked at the sad sack of students I go to college with. Some of them can't string sentences together to form a paragraph. Its pathetic.



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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Gotfreedom View Post
    Hard Times in Paradise is a book about homeschooled children who went to Harvard. Check out this website: www.anticlassroom.com
    "Swann was home schooled and earned a Bachelor’s in Liberal Arts from Brigham Young University in 1993, at the age of 15, along with a Masters in History from California State University in 1994, at the age of 16."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Swann

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    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.

  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    "Swann was home schooled and earned a Bachelor’s in Liberal Arts from Brigham Young University in 1993, at the age of 15, along with a Masters in History from California State University in 1994, at the age of 16."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Swann
    Their whole family did this. Their mom was a regular contributor to Practical Homeschooling and Teaching Home.
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  17. #44
    If you could only do one thing for your children, especially your sons, then home school them.

    Government schools are child abuse.

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    If you could only do one thing for your children, especially your sons, then home school them.

    Government schools are child abuse.
    ^^^THIS^^^
    There is no spoon.

  19. #46
    Based on our respective miserable experiences in high school, where learning was actively discouraged, my wife and I have home-schooled our children. Homeschooling has definitely been the right choice for us.

    However, homeschooling isn't for every family. One of my son's friends, around the same age, was also home-schooled. He doesn't know anything about history, can't do basic algebra, and thinks the apostrophe is used to make words plural. He's a bright kid, but he hasn't been taught anything. It's up to the parents to make homeschooling successful.

  20. #47
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.

  21. #48
    It depends entirely on the parents.

    If the parents are well-enough educated and have the time (and the money, though it needn't cost much money), absolutely.

    On the other hand, there's a non-trivial number of homeschooling parents who do it because they're too lazy to get the kids up for the bus.

    P.S. That said, the much more important issue is the student's own motivation and ability.
    Last edited by r3volution 3.0; 10-15-2018 at 07:12 PM.



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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    If the parents are well-enough educated.
    Honestly it's crazy, but statistics show that even homeschooled kids taught by parents who never finished high school score better on grade level exams than the public school students' average
    Last edited by tfurrh; 11-01-2018 at 10:43 PM.
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  24. #50
    Homeschool is a terrible idea!

    If a parent is unwilling to teach their kid how to put on a condom or how to use drugs, how will that poor kid ever get out of his bubble? And what if a 5 year old boy wants to be a girl? How will he be able to undergo hormone therapy if there is no one around to let him explore? Who will be there to undermine the child's family structure and values if the government school is taken from the poor kid? How will the child understand "shall not be infringed" means something completely different?

    I sent my kids to government school to be taught by communists and they came out communists but I don't know why?

  25. #51
    Homeschooling isn't just a better choice for our two kids... it is the only choice. We have a 9yr old son and a 5 yr old daughter. My son is gifted/asynchronous, which means he comes with a whole host of issues to deal with that public schools (even private/charter schools) are ill-equipped to handle. We spend so much time with each of them that we truly KNOW who they are and HOW they learn best. Our method of instruction is completely different for my son compared to my daughter. We are free to rocket ahead in subjects that he has already mastered, just as we are free to spend as much time as needed on subjects where more time is appropriate. We spend a great deal of time outdoors and the only 'screen time' they get is ONE family movie on Friday nights... that's it. No phones or ipads. Nada. Teachers often say the 'key' to education is 'parent involvement in their child's education.' What could be more 'involved' than 'parent-led education'??

    I would agree that some parents aren't up to the task, as it takes a serious deep dive into a world most of us have been indoctrinated out of. We've spent years unlearning the "public school" format and have had to learn how best to instruct from hundreds of books, videos, and different curricula. The good thing is there is a HUGE homeschool community both online and in most cities. We live in AZ where the homeschool community is vibrant and incredibly supportive, plus the laws here make homeschooling a very simple choice. Were we in a state like California or New York, the laws are so restrictive and demanding, that choice is more difficult.

    If anyone has any questions about homeschooling, HMU! I have been doing it for 5 years now and have become a fierce homeschool advocate.
    There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
    -Major General Smedley Butler, USMC,
    Two-Time Congressional Medal of Honor Winner
    Author of, War is a Racket!

    It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours.
    - Diogenes of Sinope

  26. #52
    I was unschooled- which means my parents followed my interests. A parent doesn't have to be a "teacher" to do this- they just have to allow their kids the freedom to follow their passion. Once a child becomes good in ONE thing, they become passionate about many subjects.
    There is no spoon.

  27. #53
    This sermon by Voddie Baucham, as well as his book Family Driven Faith, are great resources if you are on the fence about homeschooling.
    "It's probably the biggest hoax since Big Foot!" - Mitt Romney 1-16-2012 SC Debate

  28. #54
    Home schooling depends on the choice of parents. As we know, looking for work needs a diploma from high school, college and university. In my thought, it’s better to study at shool than studying at home.

  29. #55
    My youngest son is graduating with Electrical Engineering degree from RPI this May. He is still attending RPI for another year and will graduate May 2020 with Masters in Business analytics. He scored perfect on HS math SAT's. RPI gave him a scholarship of $48,500 per year. He graduated from public HS #2 and had over a year of college under his belt including Physics, Calculus, Trigonometry, Biology, Chemistry, English Lit..... He is very well educated. I could not have taught him the aforementioned. I taught him reading and math when he was small. He knows carpentry, auto mechanics, plumbing, electrical, drywall repair, roofing, siding, tree trimming, how to professionally paint an automobile, we raised and killed rabbits and chickens. This kid was homeschooled and went to school. With that said, I think the school system of today is very liberal and people are very crazy. Things have changed dramatically in the last 5 years. I don't know if my kids would have the same experience and advantages today as they had when they went thru the school system. All my kids went to gifted and talented classes and took AP classes. They were taught to be free thinkers and to use logic and reason. I am sure if you asked him or any of my 4 kids they would all say they are glad that they attended public school. I am sure the son I just spoke of would also say things are different today. I would give my blessing to him if he has children and home schools them. My oldest daughter who is also brilliant is or has in the past home schooled her 3 children. I would still say that if you are a confident young child with a huge support system at home and parents that are truly teaching you to be a free thinking, logical, rational, individual, it might be better to rub elbows and associate with the masses. My kids get along with everyone. I remember my son would often speak about a class when he was in HS where they would discuss issues. He was often the only person on one side of an argument. He was able to debate an entire class, stick to his principles, argue his point, and remain friends with his classmates.

  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Octavio Adolph View Post
    Home schooling depends on the choice of parents. As we know, looking for work needs a diploma from high school, college and university. In my thought, it’s better to study at shool than studying at home.
    It does?



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  32. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    If you could only do one thing for your children, especially your sons, then home school them.

    Government schools are child abuse.
    I stand by this even more now.

  33. #58
    These days it's the only option-- in most cases.
    ...

  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by Rothbardian Girl View Post
    While I don't have any particular reason to oppose homeschooling or unschooling, as some of the smartest people I've encountered were homeschooled (haven't met any unschoolers yet), I would like to speak up in defense of my particular experience in public school (who knows -- maybe it will add a little bit of variety to this topic!). My parents taught me to read at the age of two and packed me off to public school, and I did just fine. I tend to enjoy more institutionalized settings for learning foreign languages and math and science. I did hate my history and government classes, but I was able to laugh about them with my mom and dad at home.

    In many cases, I don't think it's purposeful indoctrination so much as not being able to tell the entire story due to time constraints. Teachers aren't always evil automatons concerned with only teaching one version of something; typically, if I debated with them in a friendly and respectful way, they would respect my interest in the subject. There's a way to disagree with something without coming off as disrespectful. My American History I teacher in particular was able to present the Civil War in a very balanced fashion, and even got into the deeper, economic root causes of the war. A lot of libertarians like to caricature public education for, I suspect, dramatic effect, but these caricatures don't always approach reality. That being said, I am quite aware that there are a lot of issues with other public schools. I was fortunate enough to go to one of the top school districts in my state.

    I guess I am playing devil's advocate here because I don't like hysteria coming from either side in regard to this issue. Kids that haven't been raised properly at home being made to go to school (or perhaps any other institutionalized setting) is a toxic scenario; I am seeing the proof of this statement with my cousin's daughter now, who just had to be enrolled in cyber school -- I certainly wouldn't trust my cousin to homeschool her children.
    I was "unschooled" and it's the only way to really learn. Coercion never stays in the soul- students in a forced environment are only regurgitating junk that someone else wants them to swallow.

    Suck it in- burp it out and everything supposedly "learned" is completely forgotten.
    There is no spoon.

  35. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    I was "unschooled" and it's the only way to really learn. Coercion never stays in the soul- students in a forced environment are only regurgitating junk that someone else wants them to swallow.

    Suck it in- burp it out and everything supposedly "learned" is completely forgotten.
    An awful lot has changed, for the worse, in just the five short years since she wrote that.

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