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This independent study points the finger squarely at pesticides.
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%...0182#abstract0
Recent declines in honey bee populations and increasing demand for insect-pollinated crops raise concerns about pollinator shortages. Pesticide exposure and pathogens may interact to have strong negative effects on managed honey bee colonies. Such findings are of great concern given the large numbers and high levels of pesticides found in honey bee colonies.
Last edited by Natural Citizen; 01-15-2014 at 07:13 AM.
Yah... all of a sudden a few hundreds of thousands of beekeepers worldwide suddenly became lazy all at once? Hmmmm...
I was considering keeping a few hives. My neighbor gave me over a dozen of them, then had a stroke and I didn't get down to his place fast enough. The SOB who bought his place BURNED them. I was fit to shoot that stupid, wasteful idiot. Voltaire was right about the method for understanding the concept of infinity.
If those bees go extinct, you just wait and see the fun that will ensue.
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http://www.opednews.com/articles/Pes...130503-76.html
http://www.beyondpesticides.org/dailynewsblog/?p=12020
This guy was developing Resistant bees.
http://foodfreedomgroup.com/2012/05/...aining-queens/
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Yes, please note in my reply I did NOT blame Monsanto because I could not find where they produce the neoncotinoids. That doesn't mean that the crops in the fields aren't Monsanto crops - but I didn't blame Monsanto specifically.
I do think they are an evil, crony capitalist company. The rotating door between Monsanto and the US government should be a crime to anyone who believes in liberty.
They have gotten away with lax oversight of genetic modification by promising to save the world with increased crop output (due to less crop destruction from pests, of course). And because some people still believe the propaganda from 20 years ago about how GMOs will save the world! (so will the war on terror, dontcha know?)
Few men have virtue enough to withstand the highest bidder. ~GEORGE WASHINGTON, letter, Aug. 17, 1779
Quit yer b*tching and whining and GET INVOLVED!!
I don't want to insult, but how anyone could believe that genetically modifying anything in our world is a good idea is just plain mind boggling.
On Trump:
How conservative Republicans can continue to support this arrogant imposter—the man who brags about inflicting the world with the Covid mark of the beast; the man who said, “Take the guns first, go through due process second”; and the man who deliberately played and then set up Stewart Rhodes (of course, Stewart was all too eager to be Trump’s patsy) for an 18-year prison sentence—is truly beyond my comprehension.” Chuck Baldwin
Of course I care about losing the bees. I do not think that the body of evidence is clear that it is neonictinoids. It might be, but there are other studies that indicate that fungicides might also be responsible.
The talking point that fields were not broadcast with insecticides before GMO is just another lie from the liars. If you want to talk about that, let's start with DDT.
Because...
SCIENCE!
Seriously though I see two ways to look at the idea.
1) you believe in God and you believe He authored and created all life - and He did it perfectly.
or
2) you believe in evolution which took MILLIONS OR BILLIONS of years to occur and you're so short sighted to not think that one generation can make such a large disruption to that process without SERIOUS issues?
Think about it, yes they've modified our food - but our bodies have not EVOLVED to be able to digest or expel these new creations. Perhaps in 3 or 4 more generations our guts will be able to handle this new load. Maybe in a couple more generations the bees will be able to handle them. But what if we don't make it til then?
How many animals have humans SUCCESSFULLY evolved into something else within a generation or 2?
Waiting...
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Last edited by angelatc; 01-15-2014 at 08:50 AM.
http://www.organicconsumers.org/arti...icle_28059.cfmWorldwide, 282 million acres are planted in Monsanto’s GM crops, up from only 3 million in 1996, according to Food and Water Watch.
Forty percent of U.S. cropland, or 151.4 million acres, are planted in Monsanto’s crops. Monsanto owns 1,676 seed, plant and other applicable patents.
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
He says he was researching herbicide resistant bees. He has not yet published any of the data he gathered over his 15 years of research, which confuses me. He was instrumental in discovering the DDT / Bald Eagle link. Even if his research was inconclusive, I can't imagine why he would not release it if the experiment was over.
It it important to understand that farmers want to maximize both yields and profits? And that prices fall as efficiency increases?
These are not bad things. This is Austrian Econ 101.
All industries seek the same thing. More product for less work. When prices fall too low to sustain X number of producers, the number of producers fall or the government subsidizes them.
It's that last bit that screws things up, not the first bit.
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It's all about Freedom
Organic farming is a multi-billion dollar business.
As for the rest of it, that's technology works. When prices fall, producers either step up production or they exit the game.
Farmers are absolutely no different in that respect, nor should they be.
I am all for wiping out the subsidies and watching food prices climb. These guys taking money from the government just so they can stay in business are not doing us any favors.
Last edited by angelatc; 01-15-2014 at 09:11 AM.
I did not say they have to be mutually exclusive.
So you believe that these scientists are so vastly intelligent that they have studied the long term effects of them on the human population?
uh, how, exactly considering that when they first started being planted in the early 90's I was in high school and just recently started having children. Can you point to any studies from the 2nd or third generations of what our new foods might be doing to our DNA?
Few men have virtue enough to withstand the highest bidder. ~GEORGE WASHINGTON, letter, Aug. 17, 1779
Quit yer b*tching and whining and GET INVOLVED!!
Few men have virtue enough to withstand the highest bidder. ~GEORGE WASHINGTON, letter, Aug. 17, 1779
Quit yer b*tching and whining and GET INVOLVED!!
Or...one could believe, as I do, that God created the process of evolution, and also gave us (infused in us during evolution) the intelligence to discover ways to tweak nature, as in GMOs. It would help explain why the science community can't find the missing link in the theory of evolution. Then comes the question of free will - we have to decide if tweaking nature (as in GMOs) is the right thing to do for mankind. Clearly there is no consensus on this.
Last edited by Deborah K; 01-15-2014 at 09:12 AM. Reason: clarity
I did not see any mention of a God in your 2nd option after the OR. You didn't say and/or.
Please point out where I said any of that, thanks.
You said:
Yes, I think that is it possible. Especially if a God gave us the tools to use and is overlooking us; probably not all GMO creations (but not all gmo creations get out of the lab either) Who are you to say that this (GMO) isn't part of a God's continuing process of evolution?
Not all people. Just you. Specifically, I wish you'd shut up if you're going to post nonsense misrepresenting other people's positions.
I have no problem people buying organic. I have massive problems with the organic crowd lying about their competition while trying to shut them down.
For example, organic foods are directly responsible for the deaths of people. Here's a blogger that links to at least three examples. I'm not here yammering that they should be banned.
On the other hand, 20 years of GMO food and there is not a single documented illness or side effect. But the lies of the hysterical organic worshippers .... they are being generated in epidemic proportions.
I said *I* see it one of two ways. If you choose to see it as a co-mingling of the two, that's fine. I didn't limit the way YOU see GMO.
In order to believe that God gave them the tools then one would assume they'd want to see proof from long term safety studies on multiple generations.
But hey, if you want to have faith in science, I'm not trying to stop you! I just want a fricken CHOICE in the matter.
And I believe that when God said "it is good" He meant it. He didn't say, "ok humans, I messed up here by creating this bug that eats your crops - fix it [by modifying HIS creation]"
Few men have virtue enough to withstand the highest bidder. ~GEORGE WASHINGTON, letter, Aug. 17, 1779
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Too broadly categorical a claim based on too narrow a set of considerations. There must be a context within which the goals are set. Part of the context is that whatever it is you are producing is not poisonous or otherwise deleterious to those consuming it.
You cannot make a valid point with half-truths.
If I can produce 10X the merchandise at 0.1X the cost, should I want to do it if 2% of the people are guaranteed to develop cancers directly resulting from consumption of what I grow?
It's easy for me to say, "$#@! 'em if they don't care enough to educate themselves. Caveat emptor." Easy for anyone to do that when it is not them or those they value becoming ill.
Sure, but once again you ignore the baseline context of doing no harm. I should be free to produce anything I want - foods, guns, whatever, but when my products bring people to harm in and of themselves and in the course of their intended uses, I have crossed a line.All industries seek the same thing. More product for less work. When prices fall too low to sustain X number of producers, the number of producers fall or the government subsidizes them.
It can be both.It's that last bit that screws things up, not the first bit.
freedomisobvious.blogspot.com
There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.
It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.
Our words make us the ghosts that we are.
Convincing the world he didn't exist was the Devil's second greatest trick; the first was convincing us that God didn't exist.
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