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  1. #1921
    Quote Originally Posted by Paladin69 View Post
    He's working on a new bot that is market orders in large chunks. What I've seen so far is actually really kick ass.
    That is poor strategy. Leaves too much on the board and requires complexity bordering on narcissistic central regulatory mortal manplans. I'll give you guys a customizable bot, built in 2 days, mostly from my android phone. Randomizes, reduces slippage, let's you adapt to conditions, guarantees successful outcome, if you are long on the technology. None of this 'I've tuned it with my wisdom of subjective/debatable technicals.' Sorry for my part in promoting the wisdom of any inferior products here.

    LOL @ unloading 3200 coins ' without affecting the price'
    I'm a moderator, and I'm glad to help. But I'm an individual -- my words come from me. Any idiocy within should reflect on me, not Ron Paul, and not Ron Paul Forums.



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  3. #1922
    Quote Originally Posted by nayjevin View Post
    That is poor strategy. Leaves too much on the board and requires complexity bordering on narcissistic central regulatory mortal manplans. I'll give you guys a customizable bot, built in 2 days, mostly from my android phone. Randomizes, reduces slippage, let's you adapt to conditions, guarantees successful outcome, if you are long on the technology. None of this 'I've tuned it with my wisdom of subjective/debatable technicals.' Sorry for my part in promoting the wisdom of any inferior products here.

    LOL @ unloading 3200 coins ' without affecting the price'
    Well "large" chunks is subjective. But no not that large...lol

  4. #1923
    I hope we slowly go back under 2 dollars for nmc in which case i will be buying chunk loads of them and hope for a 3 dollar spike soon again.

  5. #1924
    Quote Originally Posted by btcltc View Post
    I hope we slowly go back under 2 dollars for nmc in which case i will be buying chunk loads of them and hope for a 3 dollar spike soon again.
    I agree. I did really well on that last dip and rise. Look at PPC as well. Both NMC & PPC generally move together in similar price ranges.

  6. #1925
    https://cryptotrader.org/backtests/PqNxpsjQY5M6vvWer
    2013-11-01 04:00 Simulation started. Balance: 10000.00 USD
    2013-11-01 04:00 BUY 1
    2013-11-01 04:00 BUY 4339.13 LTC at 2.30
    2013-11-04 01:00 SELL 1
    2013-11-04 01:00 SELL 4339.13 LTC at 2.91
    2013-11-06 07:00 BUY 1
    2013-11-06 07:00 BUY 4256.27 LTC at 2.95
    2013-11-10 09:00 SELL 1
    2013-11-10 09:00 SELL 4256.27 LTC at 3.71
    2013-11-11 03:00 BUY 1
    2013-11-11 03:00 BUY 4385.88 LTC at 3.59
    2013-11-18 15:00 SELL 4385.88 LTC at 7.35
    2013-11-18 15:00 bend over
    2013-11-18 17:00 wait for it... 10
    2013-11-18 19:00 wait for it... 9
    2013-11-18 19:00 tell daddy how bad you want it
    2013-11-18 21:00 wait for it... 10
    2013-11-18 23:00 wait for it... 9
    2013-11-19 01:00 wait for it... 8
    2013-11-19 03:00 wait for it... 7
    2013-11-19 05:00 wait for it... 6
    2013-11-19 07:00 wait for it... 5
    2013-11-19 09:00 wait for it... 4
    2013-11-19 11:00 wait for it... 3
    2013-11-19 13:00 wait for it... 2
    2013-11-19 15:00 wait for it... 1
    2013-11-19 15:00 *** `I LIKE IT DEEP POPPA` ***
    2013-11-20 09:00 BUY 5558.54 LTC at 5.78
    2013-11-20 09:00 do like that 8.26 inches?
    2013-11-20 11:00 wait for it... 5
    2013-11-20 13:00 wait for it... 4
    2013-11-20 15:00 wait for it... 3
    2013-11-20 17:00 wait for it... 2
    2013-11-20 19:00 wait for it... 1
    2013-11-20 19:00 *** SPANK ***
    2013-11-20 19:00 SELL 1
    2013-11-20 19:00 SELL 5558.54 LTC at 6.75
    2013-11-20 21:00 BUY 1
    2013-11-20 21:00 BUY 5190.38 LTC at 7.20
    2013-11-28 11:00 SELL 5190.38 LTC at 42.63
    2013-11-28 11:00 bend over
    2013-11-28 13:00 wait for it... 10
    2013-11-28 15:00 wait for it... 9
    2013-11-28 17:00 wait for it... 8
    2013-11-28 19:00 wait for it... 7
    2013-11-28 21:00 wait for it... 6
    2013-11-28 23:00 wait for it... 5
    2013-11-29 01:00 wait for it... 4
    2013-11-29 03:00 wait for it... 3
    2013-11-29 05:00 wait for it... 2
    2013-11-29 07:00 wait for it... 1
    2013-11-29 07:00 *** `I LIKE IT DEEP POPPA` ***
    2013-11-29 15:00 BUY 6689.00 LTC at 32.95
    2013-11-29 15:00 do like that 8.19 inches?
    2013-11-29 17:00 wait for it... 5
    2013-11-29 19:00 wait for it... 4
    2013-11-29 19:00 do like that 7.86 inches?
    2013-11-29 21:00 wait for it... 5
    2013-11-29 23:00 wait for it... 4
    2013-11-30 01:00 wait for it... 3
    2013-11-30 03:00 wait for it... 2
    2013-11-30 05:00 wait for it... 1
    2013-11-30 05:00 *** SPANK ***
    2013-12-01 13:00 SELL 1
    2013-12-01 13:00 SELL 6689.00 LTC at 33.90
    2013-12-03 01:00 BUY 1
    2013-12-03 01:00 BUY 7533.38 LTC at 29.98
    2013-12-05 07:00 do like that 7.94 inches?
    2013-12-05 09:00 wait for it... 5
    2013-12-05 11:00 wait for it... 4
    2013-12-05 13:00 wait for it... 3
    2013-12-05 15:00 wait for it... 2
    2013-12-05 17:00 wait for it... 1
    2013-12-05 17:00 *** SPANK ***
    2013-12-05 17:00 SELL 1
    2013-12-05 17:00 SELL 7533.38 LTC at 37.59
    2013-12-07 05:00 BUY 15669.35 LTC at 18.00
    2013-12-07 05:00 do like that 6.93 inches?
    2013-12-07 07:00 wait for it... 5
    2013-12-07 09:00 wait for it... 4
    2013-12-07 11:00 wait for it... 3
    2013-12-07 13:00 wait for it... 2
    2013-12-07 15:00 wait for it... 1
    2013-12-07 15:00 *** SPANK ***
    2013-12-07 15:00 SELL 1
    2013-12-07 15:00 SELL 15669.35 LTC at 24.30
    2013-12-08 13:00 BUY 1
    2013-12-08 13:00 BUY 15673.23 LTC at 24.20
    2013-12-11 13:00 SELL 1
    2013-12-11 13:00 SELL 15673.23 LTC at 31.30
    2013-12-12 03:00 BUY 1
    2013-12-12 03:00 BUY 16479.20 LTC at 29.65
    2013-12-13 19:00 SELL 1
    2013-12-13 19:00 SELL 16479.20 LTC at 30.00
    2013-12-15 23:00 BUY 1
    2013-12-15 23:00 BUY 16102.05 LTC at 30.58
    2013-12-16 13:00 SELL 1
    2013-12-16 13:00 SELL 16102.05 LTC at 28.80
    2013-12-16 23:00 BUY 21787.07 LTC at 21.20
    2013-12-16 23:00 do like that 7.86 inches?
    2013-12-17 01:00 wait for it... 5
    2013-12-17 03:00 wait for it... 4
    2013-12-17 05:00 wait for it... 3
    2013-12-17 07:00 wait for it... 2
    2013-12-17 09:00 wait for it... 1
    2013-12-17 09:00 *** SPANK ***
    2013-12-17 09:00 SELL 1
    2013-12-17 09:00 SELL 21787.07 LTC at 22.81
    2013-12-18 07:00 BUY 34662.26 LTC at 14.28
    2013-12-18 07:00 do like that 7.90 inches?
    2013-12-18 09:00 wait for it... 5
    2013-12-18 09:00 do like that 7.09 inches?
    2013-12-18 11:00 wait for it... 5
    2013-12-18 13:00 wait for it... 4
    2013-12-18 15:00 wait for it... 3
    2013-12-18 17:00 wait for it... 2
    2013-12-18 19:00 wait for it... 1
    2013-12-18 19:00 *** SPANK ***
    2013-12-18 19:00 SELL 2
    2013-12-18 19:00 SELL 34662.26 LTC at 14.60
    2013-12-18 23:00 BUY 1
    2013-12-18 23:00 BUY 36926.50 LTC at 13.65
    2013-12-20 17:00 SELL 1
    2013-12-20 17:00 SELL 36926.50 LTC at 17.53
    2013-12-22 15:00 BUY 1
    2013-12-22 15:00 BUY 38414.48 LTC at 16.79
    2013-12-27 13:00 SELL 1
    2013-12-27 13:00 SELL 38414.48 LTC at 22.30
    2013-12-28 09:00 BUY 1
    2013-12-28 09:00 BUY 37570.38 LTC at 22.71
    2014-01-06 23:00 SELL 1
    2014-01-06 23:00 SELL 37570.38 LTC at 29.29
    2014-01-07 21:00 BUY 50385.13 LTC at 21.75
    2014-01-07 21:00 do like that 8.65 inches?
    2014-01-07 23:00 wait for it... 5
    2014-01-08 01:00 wait for it... 4
    2014-01-08 03:00 wait for it... 3
    2014-01-08 05:00 wait for it... 2
    2014-01-08 07:00 wait for it... 1
    2014-01-08 07:00 *** SPANK ***
    2014-01-08 07:00 SELL 1
    2014-01-08 07:00 SELL 50385.13 LTC at 23.93
    2014-01-11 03:00 BUY 2
    2014-01-11 03:00 BUY 48442.84 LTC at 24.79
    2014-01-12 15:00 SELL 1
    2014-01-12 15:00 SELL 48442.84 LTC at 24.55
    2014-01-15 13:00 BUY 1
    2014-01-15 13:00 BUY 48106.79 LTC at 24.62
    2014-01-16 21:00 SELL 1
    2014-01-16 21:00 SELL 48106.79 LTC at 23.74
    2014-01-19 19:00 BUY 2
    2014-01-19 19:00 BUY 46597.45 LTC at 24.41
    2014-01-22 07:00 SELL 2
    2014-01-22 07:00 SELL 46597.45 LTC at 22.96
    2014-01-25 19:00 BUY 1
    2014-01-25 19:00 BUY 48862.66 LTC at 21.81
    2014-01-27 09:00 SELL 1
    2014-01-27 09:00 SELL 48862.66 LTC at 21.80
    2014-01-28 13:00 BUY 1
    2014-01-28 13:00 BUY 49646.45 LTC at 21.37
    2014-02-04 05:00 SELL 2
    2014-02-04 05:00 SELL 49646.45 LTC at 21.20
    2014-02-10 07:00 BUY 61956.20 LTC at 16.92
    2014-02-10 07:00 do like that 8.33 inches?
    2014-02-10 09:00 wait for it... 5
    2014-02-10 11:00 wait for it... 4
    2014-02-10 13:00 wait for it... 3
    2014-02-10 15:00 wait for it... 2
    2014-02-10 17:00 wait for it... 1
    2014-02-10 17:00 *** SPANK ***
    2014-02-11 21:00 SELL 1
    2014-02-11 21:00 SELL 61956.20 LTC at 17.08
    2014-02-14 09:00 BUY 1
    2014-02-14 09:00 BUY 68573.62 LTC at 15.37
    2014-02-16 15:00 SELL 1
    2014-02-16 15:00 SELL 68573.62 LTC at 14.67
    2014-02-22 23:00 BUY 1
    2014-02-22 23:00 BUY 65602.60 LTC at 15.27
    2014-02-24 07:00 SELL 1
    2014-02-24 07:00 SELL 65602.60 LTC at 14.93
    2014-02-25 19:00 BUY 1
    2014-02-25 19:00 BUY 71354.18 LTC at 13.67
    2014-02-28 07:00 SELL 2
    2014-02-28 07:00 SELL 71354.18 LTC at 13.67
    2014-03-03 15:00 BUY 2
    2014-03-03 15:00 BUY 69542.87 LTC at 13.97
    2014-03-04 17:00 SELL 1
    2014-03-04 17:00 SELL 69542.87 LTC at 16.57
    2014-03-06 05:00 BUY 1
    2014-03-06 05:00 BUY 69936.02 LTC at 16.41
    2014-03-19 12:00 do like that 9.07 inches?
    2014-03-19 14:00 wait for it... 5
    2014-03-19 16:00 wait for it... 4
    2014-03-19 18:00 wait for it... 3
    2014-03-19 20:00 wait for it... 2
    2014-03-19 22:00 wait for it... 1
    2014-03-19 22:00 *** SPANK ***
    2014-03-19 22:00 SELL 1
    2014-03-19 22:00 SELL 69936.02 LTC at 16.87
    2014-03-24 22:00 BUY 2
    2014-03-24 22:00 BUY 73670.67 LTC at 15.95
    2014-03-27 04:00 SELL 2
    2014-03-27 04:00 SELL 73670.67 LTC at 15.50
    2014-04-06 00:00 BUY 2
    2014-04-06 00:00 BUY 98538.58 LTC at 11.54
    2014-04-07 22:00 SELL 1
    2014-04-07 22:00 SELL 98538.58 LTC at 11.21
    2014-04-10 20:00 BUY 130793.96 LTC at 8.41
    2014-04-10 20:00 do like that 8.68 inches?
    2014-04-10 22:00 wait for it... 5
    2014-04-11 00:00 wait for it... 4
    2014-04-11 02:00 wait for it... 3
    2014-04-11 04:00 wait for it... 2
    2014-04-11 06:00 wait for it... 1
    2014-04-11 06:00 *** SPANK ***
    2014-04-12 18:00 SELL 1
    2014-04-12 18:00 SELL 130793.96 LTC at 10.72
    2014-04-14 14:00 BUY 1
    2014-04-14 14:00 BUY 121974.90 LTC at 11.45
    2014-04-16 18:00 SELL 1
    2014-04-16 18:00 SELL 121974.90 LTC at 13.30
    2014-04-17 02:00 BUY 1
    2014-04-17 02:00 BUY 121308.76 LTC at 13.32
    2014-04-17 02:00 Simulation completed. Balance: 121308.76 LTC (1616160.20 USD)
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    Quote Originally Posted by nayjevin View Post
    LOL @ unloading 3200 coins ' without affecting the price'
    yes... market orders are not effective in this regard. I'm working on that.

    If you check here:

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post5460537

    I was able to unload 6400 coins w/ two "competing" 3200 LTC accounts in live trading without effecting price using "Dragon Slayer"

    So YES it is possible to unload 3200 coins without effecting price

    ...but NO you can't just dump w/ market orders and hope for the best.



    Sorry for the loss of focus on charts and predictions...


    On the plate:

    Dragon Slayer A 3.0 (to deal w/ changes in Global API calculations @ https://cryptotrader.org/?r=72 )

    Twerk 4.0 (massive fail when market turned bullish due to missing "else" in code plus lack of bull market backtest data to build to in PPCUSD)

    **SPANK** Bot order placement

    www.cryptochurch.org << not sure where this project is headed yet... but we're pulling together some of the movers and shakers in crypto for a round table discussion.

    Peace be upon all who worship here.



    Last edited by presence; 04-18-2014 at 05:51 PM.

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...


  7. #1926
    hi there
    l m new here and in this crypto market,l hold very low both btc n ltc but with zero trading knowledge,would you share your humble opinion for long and short please? thanks

  8. #1927
    One can make a bot that backtests well but fails in the market. For instance:

    If price < 500 buy
    If price > 1000 sell

    Backtest that over the past year starting with $1, and you'll double your money. Backtest starting with1,000,000 and you'll double your money. But in real life, you can't necessarily fill a million dollar order. Backtests assume your order will be filled at your desired price. It has no way to calculate how the market and incentives would have changed.

    If pres understands this, he is taking advantage of potential seed money providers who don't, using these astronomical backrest results. If he does not understand this, don't use his bot.

    Google ' impossibot'

    My bot will be free, capable of implementing a variety of strategies, and completely non-dependent on my 'opinion' of charts and the future. It can be used on any coin, at any time.

    The problem is that it can't unload coins without affecting the price. Because that's not possible. Every trade affects the price.

    My bot is ethical. It allows you to choose your own strategy. It is elegant, if I may say so. It will be fully documented and open source. I will respond to your questions. You can have my real name.

    Together we will stabilize the prices until savings reign. Cryptos can then be a viable economic technology.
    I'm a moderator, and I'm glad to help. But I'm an individual -- my words come from me. Any idiocy within should reflect on me, not Ron Paul, and not Ron Paul Forums.

  9. #1928
    Quote Originally Posted by nayjevin View Post
    One can make a bot that backtests well but fails in the market. For instance:

    If price < 500 buy
    If price > 1000 sell

    Backtest that over the past year starting with $1, and you'll double your money. Backtest starting with1,000,000 and you'll double your money. But in real life, you can't necessarily fill a million dollar order. Backtests assume your order will be filled at your desired price. It has no way to calculate how the market and incentives would have changed.

    If pres understands this, he is taking advantage of potential seed money providers who don't, using these astronomical backrest results. If he does not understand this, don't use his bot.

    Google ' impossibot'

    My bot will be free, capable of implementing a variety of strategies, and completely non-dependent on my 'opinion' of charts and the future. It can be used on any coin, at any time.

    The problem is that it can't unload coins without affecting the price. Because that's not possible. Every trade affects the price.

    My bot is ethical. It allows you to choose your own strategy. It is elegant, if I may say so. It will be fully documented and open source. I will respond to your questions. You can have my real name.

    Together we will stabilize the prices until savings reign. Cryptos can then be a viable economic technology.

    nayjevin I would completely agree that "backtest" results in their current form at cryptotrader.org are grossly inaccurate. Even when I code elements into my scripts to decrease slippage... it often has no effect on backtest results because "limit orders" are not even considered in backtest mode. All backtests at cryptotrader assume that all assets will be sold at the previous candle closing price. What backtesting does allow is for us to compare apples to apples and in doing so improve our overall strategy by adjusting entry and exit points.

    One of the current "advantages" of *SPANK* in its current form... it only trades every 48 hours or so. So with less trades there is inherently less slippage.

    SPANK however will need a full "order placing" functionality built into it like dragon slayer has before its "live trader" worthy.


    FWIW... to the best of my knowledge... many if not most of the bots available from other botsmiths in the strategy market at cryptotrader do not address this critical issue. For the most part, they rely solely upon market orders that begin previous candle closing price and continue to push closer by a small % every 30 seconds until all assets are moved.

    I do my best to advise clients via email of these issues and get feedback from live trading instances to improve limit order slippage in subsequent releases.

    sportpilot... A brilliant programmer who I keep up w/ via email is also working on pulling live ticker data into our order placing ability read more about this open source project here:

    https://cryptotrader.org/topics/9281...e-current-bots
    Last edited by presence; 04-18-2014 at 12:35 PM.

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...




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  11. #1929
    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    nayjevin I would completely agree that "backtest" results in their current form at cryptotrader.org are grossly inaccurate. Even when I code elements into my scripts to decrease slippage... it often has no effect on backtest results because "limit orders" are not even considered in backtest mode. All backtests at cryptotrader assume that all assets will be sold at the previous candle closing price. What backtesting does allow is for us to compare apples to apples and in doing so improve our overall strategy by adjusting entry and exit points.

    One of the current "advantages" of *SPANK* in its current form... it only trades every 48 hours or so. So with less trades there is inherently less slippage.

    SPANK however will need a full "order placing" functionality built into it like dragon slayer has before its "live trader" worthy.


    FWIW... to the best of my knowledge... many if not most of the bots available from other botsmiths in the strategy market at cryptotrader do not address this critical issue. For the most part, they rely solely upon market orders that begin previous candle closing price and continue to push closer by a small % every 30 seconds until all assets are moved.

    I do my best to advise clients via email of these issues and get feedback from live trading instances to improve limit order slippage in subsequent releases.

    sportpilot... A brilliant programmer who I keep up w/ via email is also working on pulling live ticker data into our order placing ability read more about this open source project here:

    https://cryptotrader.org/topics/9281...e-current-bots
    With all due respect, blah. Please address concerns thus far ignored. It appears as forum slide.

    Order placing functionality? Buy.asset
    I'm a moderator, and I'm glad to help. But I'm an individual -- my words come from me. Any idiocy within should reflect on me, not Ron Paul, and not Ron Paul Forums.

  12. #1930
    Quote Originally Posted by Suzu View Post
    What do you mean by "inflection"?
    via wikipedia:
    In differential calculus, an inflection point, point of inflection, flex, or inflection (inflexion) is a point on a curve at which thecurvature or concavity changes sign from plus to minus or from minus to plus.
    so inflection in laymans terms... when a moving average holds water...thats concave up. When a moving average dumps water... that's concave down. The point in between is inflection.


    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...


  13. #1931
    Quote Originally Posted by nayjevin View Post
    With all due respect, blah. Please address concerns thus far ignored.
    When do you expect that your bot will have any value for those who purchased it?






    Does that help you understand my postion?

    This (along with other reasons) is why I have encouraged people to purchase my script rather than rent... so they have it available when needed and feel no urge to turn it on until it is best utilized.




    Do you plan to be in tune to the market enough to let your loyal customers know when using it won't hemhorage money?

    In all of my ads and private advice I have always stated that Dragon Slayer A is for a bullish bubble scenario and the immediate 30 days of aftermath after the peak (a green zig zag above). I've made this clear as day. We're just now finishing the effective period for Dragon Slayer B (the red down trends indicated above). There is a period in between where I have no data for. None... zero. Same goes for any botsmith working at CT.org We only have test data back to Nov1 for LTC.


    Yes. I do intend to be in tune with the market enough to announce to my loyal customers when I feel a bullish bubble circumstance is arising. I run 5 sim traders and several live constantly each with different trading logic and even when I don't post every few hours at RPF I still check my charts several times daily. I'm prepared to post such important recommendations here and via email if/when need be.


    In the past whenever I have made "announcements" regarding my market beliefs I've always made them at RPF first... then cut and paste from here to the trollbox at btce.


    Are you aware that backtests force market orders? Do you reckon your customers do?

    Actually backtest do not "force market orders" they calculate orders as if all funds were transacted at the closing price of the previous candle. I do my best to make this clear to people who inquire about "expected gains" and any time the question pops up in this forum or the forum at CT.org.


    How can one believe that your finely tuned strategy is based on accurate assumptions given your predictions that have been most wrong have been most recent, and you are now not in touch with the market?

    My strategy depends upon technical indicators including SAR, RSI, EMA crosses, EMA divergences and other custom quantitative indicators. These indicators are fed live data day and night and make no attempt to predict anything out into the future... they deal with the present. When the calculated price is low... the bot buys... when the calculated price is high... it sells. All buys and sells are in done in small "hedging" chunks in dragon slayer so as to give it opportunity to back out and not grossly effect market price while trading.


    Why shouldn't one assume that you care about the trollbox than RPF and those who have given you coin and received no updates?

    You sound like my ex girlfriend. I dumped that needy bitch.


    ...oops did I say that?


    Check the trollbox archive... I haven't exactly been posting there the past 20 days either. If anything the only contact w/ the crypto world has been answering the endless stream of Q&A that lands in my email inbox, RPF inbox, and btce inbox. Sorry if I had to put this thread on pause.


    You'd think the world ended.


    Holy $#@! homie.


    I took my 4 turning 5 year old son on a 3 week journey to visit his grandma and relatives in south flordia that he hasn't seen since he was 2. Happy birthday pool party. I had $#@! for internet connection, a slow ass mini laptop, and endless family members to visit that I hadn't seen in 3 years. And a rental property owner who's cheap ass pulled the plug on my AC mid session and pretended like there was something wrong with the unit before I called him on it. Drove 30 hours in each direction to get there and back. 2700 miles and a few on the road car repairs later... mission accomplished. My hermit ass probably won't leave home for another 2 years. I work from home... I'm focusing *mostly* on crypto these days. Breathe deep and let me catch up where I left off.


    My expectation was for my mini laptop and my web connection at the rental place to cut the mustard while I was on the road... well cryptotrader wouldn't load on my laptop... charts were taking forever to load let alone update and typing away from my desktop keyboard proved frustrating. And running a laptop at 85' F in the "broken AC" south florida rental house could suck me.


    Love,
    Agorahippie 'people are inherently good' Misespooner



    Somehow I ain't feeling the love.




    Quote Originally Posted by nayjevin View Post
    Top Reasons I Don't Have Food


    1. My liberty buddies charts and advice
    2. Believing in utility value I.e. xpm and nmc
    3. Not being in USD Fiat


    Yay the future! For others

    Really? How is it Paladin was able to drop me a half a BTC tip on the same advice?


    Post a LTC address I'll send you half a coin so you can get a value meal at Wendy's... cause something needs to chill your snark.




    Order placing functionality? Buy.asset

    You really think its that easy?
    Last edited by presence; 04-18-2014 at 06:35 PM.

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  14. #1932
    So, can we get back to the BTC outlook? I've been losing money lately, as I suspect many have, and I'm just waiting for a decisive market signal.

    What's your opinion on the 7/30 EMA weekly cross?
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  15. #1933
    Quote Originally Posted by PaulConventionWV View Post
    So, can we get back to the BTC outlook? I've been losing money lately, as I suspect many have, and I'm just waiting for a decisive market signal.

    What's your opinion on the 7/30 EMA weekly cross?
    check hushmail

  16. #1934
    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post


    Does that help you understand my postion?
    Why would I need your charts if I own your bot? You would just need to tell me when to start it. Instead of any words from you, until this post, expressing any promise to do so, you have ignored two requests in this thread for guidance on the potential viable starting date. Others have posted in this thread attempting to guess at when this market might occur. How many customers need to buy a bot but don't need you to tell them when to run it?

    Further, you sold this bot long before it had any use, and it required an update like 2 days later. A pro would test with his own money. It still has zero use, and I know I haven't seen any other 'cool scripts you have laying around.'. Don't bother. Your systems are fraught with peril in a manipulated market.

    So answer the question. When will the bot have more than zero value? You've got your money, and presumably made a nice return on it. What about the poor suckers that sent you a sizable portion of the coin they have to do anything with, and are still giving Cryptotrader more every month, 'just in case'. People who dont understand the market like you have been led to believe litecoin might go to .0420 any minute now for, what, over a month? Last time you bothered to respond to me you told me bitcoin's bottom was 600. It dropped below that day and havent seen it since. Luckily I had stopped listening by then.

    First, when selling the bot, you insinuated urgency, when honest professionalism would require the opposite. Then nothing happened, live tests produced $#@!ty results, and you started telling us what kind of market we had to wait for, then you cured your colorblindness and went on vacation with our money.

    This (along with other reasons) is why I have encouraged people to purchase my script rather than rent... so they have it available when needed and feel no urge to turn it on until it is best utilized.
    See above, and also there certainly was no 'don't give the cryptotrader douche any money yet' from you over here. You acted like the imminence of moonward motion was equivalent to the pace of your favorite Rage song. Then you went around the internet selling .0420, then a few weeks later you told trollbox 'sorry about 420' when directly questioned in 'public'. No word here about it, looked like you were just waiting for it to go away. At best you are seriously blind to the reasonable perspective of your customer base that doesn't Skype with you.

    In all of my ads and private advice I have always stated that Dragon Slayer A is for a bullish bubble scenario and the immediate 30 days of aftermath after the peak (a green zig zag above). I've made this clear as day.
    That's gibberish to anyone who needs help with this. I have my reasons for deciding to take a flyer on you. And I knew exactly what I was risking, and I got zero return. No biggie. I didn't realize I would have a few more weeks chance to spend the few hours it took to see how absurdly easy it is to write a bot script, and how hilariously Keynesian yours is. You keep acting like you and your experts are slaving away at the labs. My bot took 2 days, and I had to learn the language, and do it from a phone, with a scripting platform built for a 30" monitor. And I'm not good at programming. And an overall pretty dumb guy.

    We're just now finishing the effective period for Dragon Slayer B (the red down trends indicated above). There is a period in between where I have no data for. None... zero. Same goes for any botsmith working at CT.org We only have test data back to Nov1 for LTC.
    Ah, dragonslayer b, I had forgotten about that one, LOL. Finely tuned in a different way for a market that may or may not ever exist (DONT CHANGE MY FORMULAS!) that was one of the scripts I could have rushed out and purchased on cryptotrader along with a monthly subscription, only to find out later you were offering it at a discounted (heh) rate. Never received It from you when I bought A. Oh you're saying it would have been effective for me if I had it all this time? Lovely

    Yes. I do intend to be in tune with the market enough to announce to my loyal customers when I feel a bullish bubble circumstance is arising. I run 5 sim traders and several live constantly each with different trading logic and even when I don't post every few hours at RPF I still check my charts several times daily. I'm prepared to post such important recommendations here and via email if/when need be.
    Logic. Just come clean. You know what day traders know. This $#@! is dead simple and you can make it simpler by bullshitting people into making moves.

    In the past whenever I have made "announcements" regarding my market beliefs I've always made them at RPF first... then cut and paste from here to the trollbox at btce.
    I had to search the internet to see if you were clarifying to others what you (benefit of the doubt) are too obtuse to see you should have clarified here. I spent some time believing I shouldn't be another person asking for personal advice/guidance from you, assuming you'd update us when things changed. But you disappeared and someone told us you were not available for support for your product because you were touring the coasts. Take a moment to consider how that feels, in case you are not a sociopathic fraudster as I believe is most likely.

    Actually backtest do not "force market orders" they calculate orders as if all funds were transacted at the closing price of the previous candle. I do my best to make this clear to people who inquire about "expected gains" and any time the question pops up in this forum or the forum at CT.org.
    Backtests assume an order will be filled. In real life they are not always. When you sold your bot, you made this not clear at all. You bragged about returns in back testing, which you now are saying you have always understood to be not representative of reality. Oops, your only justification was 'sorry, I didn't understand 10x ltc in 30 days' or whatever the number was 'was definitely not going to happen, based on the guarantee that some orders filled in back testing will not be filled in reality, and some trades will change the market' (always to the detriment of margin from perspective of backrest vs reality'. But instead, you are saying you knew all along, but sold your bot on false dreams. People in this thread asked about expectation. I believed what you were doing then, interesting read, those times.

    FWIW, I still believe it is possible to get returns like that. It takes automation, indicators, entropy, and movement, and in the right direction for the big bucks. And I did know that only a libertarian here, or a situation similar, might actually share strategy at personal expense. That was my gamble, It was more pragmatic, I thought, than the odds of learning enough myself before Cryptos prices ran away from me. Dont get me wrong, still a sucker.

    My strategy depends upon technical indicators including SAR, RSI, EMA crosses, EMA divergences and other custom quantitative indicators. These indicators are fed live data day and night and make no attempt to predict anything out into the future... they deal with the present.
    This is like The Collins saying 'my campaign uses Ron Paul and other potential awesome people.'. Using EMA divergence in a bot script is a matter of cut and paste,akin to adding a game to your Facebook. You don't brag about how good you are at programming games because the farmville on your fb is neat. These indicators are built in. You just make a call to them.

    If Ema(10) > Ema(30), then buy.ltc

    Look I'm an expert. In a month I'll sell you my quantitative custom logic. Hurry.

    When the calculated price is low... the bot buys... when the calculated price is high... it sells. All buys and sells are in done in small "hedging" chunks in dragon slayer so as to give it opportunity to back out and not grossly effect market price while trading.
    This is right, and not unique at all. Problem is the programmer decides what is low. And you seem to be terrible at that. Or very good at it, and then you tell people what you need them to believe to be more sure your 6400 coins get unloaded at 33

    You sound like my ex girlfriend. I dumped that needy bitch.
    Customer service guy huh? How much of her money do you have? Does she twerk, you ladykiller you?

    Check the trollbox archive... I haven't exactly been posting there the past 20 days either. If anything the only contact w/ the crypto world has been answering the endless stream of Q&A that lands in my email inbox, RPF inbox, and btce inbox. Sorry if I had to put this thread on pause.
    I had you pegged as more of a 'fake vacation until .0420 is out of mind' and log in as someone else in the meantime to feed your addiction to manipulating people.

    You'd think the world ended.
    Patronizing people who give you money. Newsflash they need a service because they aren't experts. Now you want them to do it themselves and think nothing when you disappear. I know, deep down it feeds your ego to be needed by suckers. Your poor ex.

    took my 4 turning 5 year old son on a 3 week journey to visit his grandma and relatives in south flordia that he hasn't seen since he was 2. Happy birthday pool party. I had $#@! for internet connection, a slow ass mini laptop, and endless family members to visit that I hadn't seen in 3 years. And a rental property owner who's cheap ass pulled the plug on my AC mid session and pretended like there was something wrong with the unit before I called him on it. Drove 30 hours in each direction to get there and back. 2700 miles and a few on the road car repairs later... mission accomplished. My hermit ass probably won't leave home for another 2 years. I work from home... I'm focusing *mostly* on crypto these days. Breathe deep and let me catch up where I left off.
    So other people and situations are responsible for your failures. You're neat.

    My expectation was for my mini laptop and my web connection at the rental place to cut the mustard while I was on the road... well cryptotrader wouldn't load on my laptop... charts were taking forever to load let alone update and typing away from my desktop keyboard proved frustrating. And running a laptop at 85' F in the "broken AC" south florida rental house could suck me.
    If only life would let you afford to send an email. Or do they even have libraries in Florida? Need some cash brotha? Sosad

    omehow I ain't feeling the love.
    Sociopath?

    Really? How is it Paladin was able to drop me a half a BTC tip on the same advice?
    Why do you assume we got the same advice? I don't. You told me BTC bottom was 600. I assume he's a friend of yours or a sock puppet or part of your cabal of FUD engineers.

    Post a LTC address I'll send you half a coin so you can get a value meal at Wendy's... cause something needs to chill your snark.
    You've put much effort into trying to inhabit a moral high ground. Being above it all. Its beneath you. Your poor ex. Truth is, it is PR, motivated by your carefully crafted image ( bubble).

    I just speak my mind, and at unknown personal expense. There's some chance you can afford to have me murdered for this. I don't want scammers here though.

    You really think its that easy?
    Making a high risk, high reward bot, dependent upon technical analysis, requires study at a less than doctorate level. Programming a bot that doesn't lose money requires a small amount of special knowledge, common sense, and programming at a second semester intro to comp sci level. Pretty easy if I can do it.
    Last edited by nayjevin; 04-18-2014 at 10:00 PM.
    I'm a moderator, and I'm glad to help. But I'm an individual -- my words come from me. Any idiocy within should reflect on me, not Ron Paul, and not Ron Paul Forums.

  17. #1935
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    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

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    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...


  18. #1936
    Quote Originally Posted by nayjevin View Post
    Why would I need your charts if I own your bot? You would just need to tell me when to start it. Instead of any words from you, until this post, expressing any promise to do so, you have ignored two requests in this thread for guidance on the potential viable starting date. Others have posted in this thread attempting to guess at when this market might occur. How many customers need to buy a bot but don't need you to tell them when to run it?
    You seem frustrated. It's all good. There is no definitive start date. Rest assured no one on this forum is going to be late to the party.

    Let's get above $600 then we can begin talking about a bullish market scenario. In the meantime, watch and pray.



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  20. #1937
    nayjevin, dude.

    It's just a bad coincidence that pres took a vacation when the Chinese Banking FUD kicked in. The indicators showed 600 but China's $#@! was unexpected. Nobody could predict that. I also follow a guy on twitter named ProTraderTips who has been trading crypto since 2011. He's pretty good but even he didn't expect the China FUD turn.

    Relax. SecondMarket & Winklevoss ETF's among other Wall Street investors are coming online within the next 3-4 months. Don't panic. Scoop low.

    You'll know when to turn the bots on. When a flood of that Wall Street news comes and people are in panic buy mode it'll feel like November last year.
    Last edited by muh_roads; 04-18-2014 at 11:38 PM.

  21. #1938
    Quote Originally Posted by Paladin69 View Post
    nayjevin, dude.

    It's just a bad coincidence that pres took a vacation when the Chinese Banking FUD kicked in. The indicators showed 600 but China's $#@! was unexpected. Nobody could predict that. I also follow a guy on twitter named ProTraderTips who has been trading crypto since 2011. He's pretty good but even he didn't expect the China FUD turn.

    Relax. SecondMarket & Winklevoss ETF's among other Wall Street investors are coming online within the next 3-4 months. Don't panic. Scoop low.

    You'll know when to turn the bots on. When a flood of that Wall Street news comes and people are in panic buy mode it'll feel like November last year.
    Except that wall street can see 400 is reasonable. Meanwhile pres is selling the moon to libertarians.

    My bot is more scoopier. And its trustless. And decentralized. And open source. And free.

    Pres bot misses peaks bad. You have to join his club to be a part of timely information. He might disappear and insult people who give him money. He might switch platforms at any time and require a new subscription. His idea of script documentation is penis jokes. Is he depressed today and needing sympathy or listening to metal and sure of moons. I can relate to that. But srsly.
    I'm a moderator, and I'm glad to help. But I'm an individual -- my words come from me. Any idiocy within should reflect on me, not Ron Paul, and not Ron Paul Forums.

  22. #1939
    Quote Originally Posted by amonasro View Post
    You seem frustrated. It's all good. There is no definitive start date. Rest assured no one on this forum is going to be late to the party.
    LOL, its all good. My extremely successful conservative personal strategy has nowhere near made up for the losses incurred trying this bot. It's all good.
    I'm a moderator, and I'm glad to help. But I'm an individual -- my words come from me. Any idiocy within should reflect on me, not Ron Paul, and not Ron Paul Forums.

  23. #1940
    Quote Originally Posted by nayjevin View Post
    Why would I need your charts if I own your bot? You would just need to tell me when to start it. Instead of any words from you, until this post, expressing any promise to do so, you have ignored two requests in this thread for guidance on the potential viable starting date. Others have posted in this thread attempting to guess at when this market might occur. How many customers need to buy a bot but don't need you to tell them when to run it?

    Every man is responsible for his own trades. I can give advice but I don't push the buttons for anyone.

    Further, you sold this bot long before it had any use, and it required an update like 2 days later. A pro would test with his own money. It still has zero use, and I know I haven't seen any other 'cool scripts you have laying around.'. Don't bother. Your systems are fraught with peril in a manipulated market.
    I sold you some script open source a few months before it was ideal to set it loose. This is bad? Really? Apologies on the cool scripts... had you sent me an email noting that I would have sent them out lickety split.


    So answer the question. When will the bot have more than zero value? You've got your money, and presumably made a nice return on it. What about the poor suckers that sent you a sizable portion of the coin they have to do anything with, and are still giving Cryptotrader more every month, 'just in case'. People who dont understand the market like you have been led to believe litecoin might go to .0420 any minute now for, what, over a month? Last time you bothered to respond to me you told me bitcoin's bottom was 600. It dropped below that day and havent seen it since. Luckily I had stopped listening by then.
    If you can't afford $18/mo for basic+ at crypto trader you shouldn't be trading.


    First, when selling the bot, you insinuated urgency, when honest professionalism would require the opposite. Then nothing happened, live tests produced $#@!ty results, and you started telling us what kind of market we had to wait for, then you cured your colorblindness and went on vacation with our money.
    omg


    See above, and also there certainly was no 'don't give the cryptotrader douche any money yet' from you over here. You acted like the imminence of moonward motion was equivalent to the pace of your favorite Rage song. Then you went around the internet selling .0420, then a few weeks later you told trollbox 'sorry about 420' when directly questioned in 'public'. No word here about it, looked like you were just waiting for it to go away. At best you are seriously blind to the reasonable perspective of your customer base that doesn't Skype with you.
    You don't see any perks to keeping simulations run at cryptotrader or running any of the multitude of great open source available to you there?

    Regarding 0420... You inquired PERSONALLY to me on 3/19... my reply to you was:

    You missed that train. Don't bother, the stress will burn you.

    Take a look at that chart I posted yesterday showing the order the other alts popped after LTC midseason last year... note that after LTC pops none of the other alts fall... they're all sideways or up.

    I'd pick another alt and jump on the train. Or diversify... that's my game plan after LTC.

    don't get me wrong... I still have faith in 0420... but I'm holding 0240's so its a lot easier to not stress while we're this high over baseline.




    That's gibberish to anyone who needs help with this. I have my reasons for deciding to take a flyer on you. And I knew exactly what I was risking, and I got zero return. No biggie. I didn't realize I would have a few more weeks chance to spend the few hours it took to see how absurdly easy it is to write a bot script, and how hilariously Keynesian yours is. You keep acting like you and your experts are slaving away at the labs. My bot took 2 days, and I had to learn the language, and do it from a phone, with a scripting platform built for a 30" monitor. And I'm not good at programming. And an overall pretty dumb guy.
    Push play... let us all know how it worked out for you in a few months.



    Ah, dragonslayer b, I had forgotten about that one, LOL. Finely tuned in a different way for a market that may or may not ever exist (DONT CHANGE MY FORMULAS!) that was one of the scripts I could have rushed out and purchased on cryptotrader along with a monthly subscription, only to find out later you were offering it at a discounted (heh) rate. Never received It from you when I bought A. Oh you're saying it would have been effective for me if I had it all this time? Lovely
    Homie straight up sorry about that. My bad. Until just now I had no idea. I'm a busy man... you got lossed in the shuffle. Lets resolve.

    Option A) Give me your word you won't ever run my dragon slayer A script. I'll send 1/2 of your discounted "RPF moderator" special .75 BTC back, just post an address. You learned a bit about bot code. I dealt with an unnecessary hassle. We call it good.

    Option B) I'll send you Part B, the missing free gift package, and a copy of my yet incomplete **SPANK** bot to say I'm sorry.. truly had no clue you never got those scripts. IIRC I gave you "Dragon Slayer A" on your simple request before I even got any payment from you because I thought so highly of u as a moderator here at RPF. Not giving you part B after payment was an error in book keeping. You should have spoken up sooner about it.


    Just let me know what you want, it will happen top of the morning tomorrow.



    Logic. Just come clean. You know what day traders know. This $#@! is dead simple and you can make it simpler by bullshitting people into making moves.
    wtf?



    I had to search the internet to see if you were clarifying to others what you (benefit of the doubt) are too obtuse to see you should have clarified here. I spent some time believing I shouldn't be another person asking for personal advice/guidance from you, assuming you'd update us when things changed. But you disappeared and someone told us you were not available for support for your product because you were touring the coasts. Take a moment to consider how that feels, in case you are not a sociopathic fraudster as I believe is most likely.
    Were you not here when I said I drove 3 days to flordia and 3 days back to take my 5 year old to see his grandma that he hadn't seen since he was 2?


    Backtests assume an order will be filled. In real life they are not always. When you sold your bot, you made this not clear at all. You bragged about returns in back testing, which you now are saying you have always understood to be not representative of reality. Oops, your only justification was 'sorry, I didn't understand 10x ltc in 30 days' or whatever the number was 'was definitely not going to happen, based on the guarantee that some orders filled in back testing will not be filled in reality, and some trades will change the market' (always to the detriment of margin from perspective of backrest vs reality'. But instead, you are saying you knew all along, but sold your bot on false dreams. People in this thread asked about expectation. I believed what you were doing then, interesting read, those times.
    Are you aware that the era of bot trading on cloud servers is like oh... 90 days old? You're on the cutting edge of technology on a new trading platform with a script that was invented for that platform less than 60 days ago... based on less than 4 months of backtest data. YES there are inherent risks.


    FWIW, I still believe it is possible to get returns like that. It takes automation, indicators, entropy, and movement, and in the right direction for the big bucks. And I did know that only a libertarian here, or a situation similar, might actually share strategy at personal expense. That was my gamble, It was more pragmatic, I thought, than the odds of learning enough myself before Cryptos prices ran away from me. Dont get me wrong, still a sucker.
    maybe you just need a hug?

    This is like The Collins saying 'my campaign uses Ron Paul and other potential awesome people.'. Using EMA divergence in a bot script is a matter of cut and paste,akin to adding a game to your Facebook. You don't brag about how good you are at programming games because the farmville on your fb is neat. These indicators are built in. You just make a call to them.
    No. You don't just "make a call to them"

    The basic "instrument.ema(100)" method: https://cryptotrader.org/backtests/CmX2HgZ6s2bNwzwTWHuge fail.
    The Talib method: https://cryptotrader.org/backtests/9mgGiLRoFF4ANb6M9
    Not much better.
    Class Functions w/ "extra data" https://cryptotrader.org/backtests/HbxPmnjQ9AZ63dBRb
    Improving... but still largely a fail.
    Class Funcitons w/ extra data and logic https://cryptotrader.org/backtests/gYgddk7itaTbWbf6W
    Apparent shortcomings of previous method at ema(600): https://cryptotrader.org/backtests/q2o5dfta43AEary9x
    another method again getting different results: https://cryptotrader.org/backtests/2WW7dBiu2pvBem4pH
    and shortcomings of this last method which now appear at ema(500): https://cryptotrader.org/backtests/XEAggwxJKNcWZwiio

    and finally..

    https://cryptotrader.org/backtests/CkeK88ZmHPN3ZsmnB
    The 1200 ema will slowly gain accuracy over the first 12.5 days (at 15m).

    lack of appreciation is what I'm feeling.



    If Ema(10) > Ema(30), then buy.ltc

    Look I'm an expert. In a month I'll sell you my quantitative custom logic. Hurry.



    This is right, and not unique at all. Problem is the programmer decides what is low. And you seem to be terrible at that. Or very good at it, and then you tell people what you need them to believe to be more sure your 6400 coins get unloaded at 33
    Those were a clients coins. I don't have 6400 LTC. That client had 30,000 and wanted 6400 liquidated. He did so with the same script I gave you; Dragon Slayer A.



    Customer service guy huh? How much of her money do you have? Does she twerk, you ladykiller you?
    if you must know... were were poor high school sweethearts. I've been w/ my wife since.



    I had you pegged as more of a 'fake vacation until .0420 is out of mind' and log in as someone else in the meantime to feed your addiction to manipulating people.
    well aside from litepresence2 account at btce... no new personas... just needed that one to run test code.



    Patronizing people who give you money. Newsflash they need a service because they aren't experts. Now you want them to do it themselves and think nothing when you disappear. I know, deep down it feeds your ego to be needed by suckers. Your poor ex.
    Please just give me btc address so I can refund your coins and we don't have to do business. I don't think its going to work out between us for some reason.


    So other people and situations are responsible for your failures. You're neat.
    I don't talk to you for a few weeks and I'm a failure? Whut?





    Sociopath?
    Did you forget this is RPF and you're a moderator? There are Terms of Service here.



    Why do you assume we got the same advice? I don't. You told me BTC bottom was 600. I assume he's a friend of yours or a sock puppet or part of your cabal of FUD engineers.
    Paladin69 is my sockpuppet? I really want to smoke some of that.



    You've put much effort into trying to inhabit a moral high ground. Being above it all. Its beneath you. Your poor ex. Truth is, it is PR, motivated by your carefully crafted image ( bubble).

    I just speak my mind, and at unknown personal expense. There's some chance you can afford to have me murdered for this. I don't want scammers here though.
    having bought into crypto initially w/ $400 last april... not much chance there's room in my murder budget for you. wtf?



    Making a high risk, high reward bot, dependent upon technical analysis, requires study at a less than doctorate level. Programming a bot that doesn't lose money requires a small amount of special knowledge, common sense, and programming at a second semester intro to comp sci level. Pretty easy if I can do it.
    Show me a back test homie... whatcha got?

    https://cryptotrader.org/backtests/PqNxpsjQY5M6vvWer

    https://cryptotrader.org/backtests/2E3Mv6WTpeyxrtuNm




    https://cryptotrader.org/backtests/sqJyZNydZgKB7wSva
    https://cryptotrader.org/backtests/Pqfe4vvymfWxG2XPg
    https://cryptotrader.org/backtests/YteR73cQHb2MMmdy2





    https://cryptotrader.org/backtests/X5DS9YzBGXgonFJRo




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  24. #1941
    . Show me a back test homie... whatcha got?
    Imagine a wavy line. Red on all dips. You do the rest.

    Creating such a bot is ridiculously simple because time tested indicators are BUILT IN. If one isn't trying to prove how smart their innovative formula is, nor be married to any minimum 'acceptible ' return, but instead focuses on a fierce defense against loss of value, one inevitably ends up with a strategy that places them within ethical and profitable boundaries.

    Choose your favorite technical analyst and read the definition of his trophy indicators. Then put the three letter code into this formula:

    If myfavgeniusequation equals my threshold then buy and/or sell
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  25. #1942
    My next post will be made as though I am completely wrong about pres. Sleepytimes
    I'm a moderator, and I'm glad to help. But I'm an individual -- my words come from me. Any idiocy within should reflect on me, not Ron Paul, and not Ron Paul Forums.

  26. #1943
    There is this thing called Private Messages, so use it because a pissing contest is boring as ***k to read. -werd-

  27. #1944
    nayjevin,

    I'm not sure how you could be losing vast amounts of money on these bots? I, like you, turned them on at the wrong time recently thinking now was the time to use them not understanding things properly. If things drop, it bails on the buys it made so fast that you don't really lose much of anything. I'm maybe down 500 or so out of playing with a below mid-range of 5 figures.

    But I'm also up because the red dragon NMC & PPC two weeks ago was kicking ass while I was sleeping. I let it buy on the way down and then I paused them sometime in the afternoon during that drop to 339 BTC. I then manually sold after the rally when China said they wouldn't "ban".

    I don't think trading is for you if you can't handle even a remote amount of loss. If you knew how much BTC I've lost to Doge, Reddcoin, Vertcoin, Kittehcoin, 42coin, Globalcoin, Wolong's Pandacoin and some others it would probably make your head spin.

    I've also recouped a lot of that loss with Unobtanium, Zetacoin, Blackcoin and some others. I've also had new luck dollar cost averaging Doge again as well. It's the game we play.

    BTC, LTC, NMC, PPC are safer bets. If you don't like swing trading, buying anywhere between 400-600 won't matter. People that bought in these ranges will be incredibly happy looking back on things 1 year from now.

    Wall Street getting involved will make China look like a toddler. Because it will cause a cascade effect on FOREX and other places around the world. When this happens, there will be new incentive for all of these new guys coming to the table to build businesses and more infrastructure around crypto to spend them.

    I just don't feel the fear that some are. A price drop I view as a blessing. This is like getting in a time machine and getting in on gold when it was still $35 an ounce IMO. Or getting stock in Microsoft or Apple in the 70's.
    Last edited by muh_roads; 04-19-2014 at 09:50 AM.



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  29. #1945
    Quote Originally Posted by Paladin69 View Post
    nayjevin,

    I'm not sure how you could be losing vast amounts of money on these bots?
    Who said that? My only unprofitable moves have been:

    -buying the bot
    -cryptotrader pro subscription (valueless to me as coffescript is not capable of implementing my strategy)
    -selling off coin at a loss so I could have enough USD and ltc to run the bot
    -buying dragonslayer at cryptotrader for 1 month when it was version 1.0
    -selling off everything at cryptsy because it sucks

    Aside from that, my positions perfectly match my comfort. I have literally zero stress about Crypto. Don't pigeonhole me! Good post and advice for many though.


    But I'm also up because the red dragon NMC & PPC two weeks ago was kicking ass while I was sleeping. I let it buy on the way down and then I paused them sometime in the afternoon during that drop to 339 BTC. I then manually sold after the rally when China said they wouldn't "ban".

    I don't think trading is for you if you can't handle even a remote amount of loss. If you knew how much BTC I've lost to Doge, Reddcoin, Vertcoin, Kittehcoin, 42coin, Globalcoin, Wolong's Pandacoin and some others it would probably make your head spin.

    I've also recouped a lot of that loss with Unobtanium, Zetacoin, Blackcoin and some others. I've also had new luck dollar cost averaging Doge again as well. It's the game we play.

    BTC, LTC, NMC, PPC are safer bets. If you don't like swing trading, buying anywhere between 400-600 won't matter. People that bought in these ranges will be incredibly happy looking back on things 1 year from now.

    Wall Street getting involved will make China look like a toddler. Because it will cause a cascade effect on FOREX and other places around the world. When this happens, there will be new incentive for all of these new guys coming to the table to build businesses and more infrastructure around crypto to spend them.

    I just don't feel the fear that some are. A price drop I view as a blessing. This is like getting in a time machine and getting in on gold when it was still $35 an ounce IMO. Or getting stock in Microsoft or Apple in the 70's.
    I think its possible that a huge percentage of coinholders are ready to unload a peak, and that adoption will be so gradual that we never see parabolic again.
    I'm a moderator, and I'm glad to help. But I'm an individual -- my words come from me. Any idiocy within should reflect on me, not Ron Paul, and not Ron Paul Forums.

  30. #1946
    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    Every man is responsible for his own trades. I can give advice but I don't push the buttons for anyone.
    There's a distinction between writing a bot for someone, that is based totally on your opinion of the most valuable indicators and thresholds, and pushing the play button? I know you're not responsible for my decision to believe in you, but a pro provider is responsible to client needs. Its the wild west though right? Then you're beholden to lynch mobs! Just kidding.

    I sold you some script open source a few months before it was ideal to set it loose. This is bad? Really? Apologies on the cool scripts... had you sent me an email noting that I would have sent them out lickety split.
    Maybe I wasn't clear, or perhaps my instigative nature and proclivity to language that is inherently not taken lightly, resulting in undue fuming, and therefore understandable exacerbation of situational blindness on your part, but my issue was with what I believed to be a reasonable assumption on my part, based on the information you provided. The assumption that I would not have much time to buy the bot and recoup the cost before decisions became very difficult for a long term holder like myself. I don't know what I'd do if ltc was 45 tomorrow, I'd have had no idea what to do then.

    If you can't afford $18/mo for basic+ at crypto trader you shouldn't be trading.
    Why would I get a basic+ account. I'm about to get 10x ltc in 30 days. Plus a bunch of other cool scripts.

    You don't see any perks to keeping simulations run at cryptotrader or running any of the multitude of great open source available to you there?
    Not to my strategy. AI'm not trying to predict the future. Not my style. I was willing to bet on someone good at it though. Now the subscription is useless, because I don't plan to use your bots, and coffescript is crippled.

    Regarding 0420... You inquired PERSONALLY to me on 3/19... my reply to you was:
    You're right, I knew you thought (or at least had told me - remember when I was insane and thought you might be fraudulent like a possible majority of the trollbox that appears to be your 1st/2nd home?) That 420 wasn't happening. But based on the information you gave in this thread, readers here did not know that. Maybe I misread or misunderstood.... In fact surely I did - I don't think you have a particular strength in keeping a running tally of how much information each of your audiences are privy to. If you weren't working so many audiences, through so many avenues of communication, I would be tempted to encourage you to investigate whether it might be a weakness that could be improved upon.

    Push play... let us all know how it worked out for you in a few months.
    Yes! That's how it feels.

    Homie straight up sorry about that. My bad. Until just now I had no idea. I'm a busy man... you got lossed in the shuffle. Lets resolve.
    Whoa! Owning mistakes enhances credibility, to me. In fact, your overall ability to, say, not freak out in the wake of such as we've seen, is AMAZING. Remember when I was insane? Sociopaths are good at that.

    Option A) Give me your word you won't ever run my dragon slayer A script. I'll send 1/2 of your discounted "RPF moderator" special .75 BTC back, just post an address. You learned a bit about bot code. I dealt with an unnecessary hassle. We call it good.
    Let's put aside who is right for the moment, and please allow me to be sure you haven't overlooked the fact that I believe you are the primary cause of the unnecessary hassle. Now let's negotiate. What I truly believe to be fair is a full refund of the .75, plus 1 month of cryptotrader at $18, plus .75 * ((your ROI + my ROI)/2).

    Option B) I'll send you Part B, the missing free gift package, and a copy of my yet incomplete **SPANK** bot to say I'm sorry.. truly had no clue you never got those scripts. IIRC I gave you "Dragon Slayer A" on your simple request before I even got any payment from you because I thought so highly of u as a moderator here at RPF. Not giving you part B after payment was an error in book keeping. You should have spoken up sooner about it.
    True, I should have. But even when I believed people were going to make money from your bots, I had given up on the possibility that I would, because I can't seem to understand the way you explain things. And I don't have Skype/hushmail and all this other crap, and I would feel terrible taking the time necessary from you to explain to me what you mean. And it didn't seem like you would ever answer question in this thread clearly, it seems so cryptic. So I didn't need anything else.

    By the way, thinking highly of me is the surest way to destroy your credibility in my eyes.

    Just let me know what you want, it will happen top of the morning tomorrow.
    Remember when I was suffering from a temporary state of believing this is how fast you would like me to shut up about the sketchiness? Now that I've recovered, shutting up for half price still doesn't seem like quite the fairest deal.

    Were you not here when I said I drove 3 days to flordia and 3 days back to take my 5 year old to see his grandma that he hadn't seen since he was 2?
    Yes. I can only attribute my crazed assumption that this was a ghemmy style sympathy slide to my experience with humans. I'll try to fix that.

    maybe you just need a hug?
    A hell of a lot more than I need 7.63 inches, BigPoppa

    I don't talk to you for a few weeks and I'm a failure? Whut?
    Has nothing to do with me. In my blind rage I had thought you were making excuses for not keeping in touch with your clients instead of taking responsibility. In retrospect, as I consider whether to do the dishes today, it may have been an element of projection.

    Did you forget this is RPF and you're a moderator? There are Terms of Service here.
    Sorry, usually I'm above such clinical diagnosis, penisbreath.

    Paladin69 is my sockpuppet? I really want to smoke some of that.
    Remember when I was indistinguishable from a labotomized infirmary inhabitant? It wasn't because I was smoking something! I've a heap of sobriety to brag about if I gave a $#@!. It also wasn't because I don't understand the odds a scammer would use sock puppets.

    having bought into crypto initially w/ $400 last april... not much chance there's room in my murder budget for you. wtf?
    I didn't say there was much chance, I said some chance, unknown. Surely you recognize exposing sociopathic scammers who use anonymous identities and probably are aware of silk road alternatives would carry risks?

    Show me a back test homie... whatcha got?
    I am serious, I have a bot that backtests beautifully. I'm on my phone ( wow this has been frustrating! But I didn't want folks to wait to hear my concerns, and I didnt want you, whom I know understand to be pure of heart, to wait too long for a correction.). So it was worth it?
    Last edited by nayjevin; 04-19-2014 at 01:06 PM.
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  31. #1947
    I personally never though that it made a hell of a lot of sense to try to time this market using a bunch of charts and whatnot, but getting pissed off and claiming fraud just because you apparently bought into the whole idea seems incredibly childish to me...
    Donald Trump > SJW ass-tears

  32. #1948
    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
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    So you're bearish now? That's cool, I thought something wasn't right with this market. It's not ready just yet.
    I'm an adventurer, writer and bitcoin market analyst.

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  33. #1949
    I gotta say I'm feeling pretty psyched after timing that last spike almost perfectly. No sooner had I bought in than it began to go vertical and I had my sell order right at the top. Honestly, if I make one trade like that each week, I'd be good.
    I'm an adventurer, writer and bitcoin market analyst.

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  34. #1950
    Quote Originally Posted by PaulConventionWV View Post
    I gotta say I'm feeling pretty psyched after timing that last spike almost perfectly. No sooner had I bought in than it began to go vertical and I had my sell order right at the top. Honestly, if I make one trade like that each week, I'd be good.
    I didn't play it as well this time because I've been messing around with other things. Is recent info helping in any way? Check hush.



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