I made the switch to Anarcho-capitalism....what a trip!

[AlexAmore]

I've even debated on this topic within these forums from the Minarchist position!

What did it for me? I started listening to Stefan Molyneux and I had seen a few Larken Rose videos. At first I'd only watch one of their videos when it was linked and relevant to a certain forum topic around here. Eventually, I started digging through their Youtube channels at which point it was only a matter of time.

I think one of the big points that convinced me to switch, thanks to Stefan, is that small governments end up as the most destructive governments because they can leverage the free markets and all it's technological advancements. Also, his points on why foreign invasions are unlikely were quite persuasive.

[Ronin Truth]

Oh no, not another An-Cap junkie. That's how it starts. Next thing you know you'll be mainlining Rothbard's Power and Market.

Here's your next fix. http://mises.org/books/powermarket.pdf

[Petar]

I swear, you people are part of some concerted effort to influence all of us into giving up all political relevancy...

[erowe1]

I swear, you people are part of some concerted effort to influence all of us into giving up all political relevancy...

Drawing millions of people from a conservative starting point over to being full-fledged enemies of the state will end up being by far the greatest legacy Ron Paul will leave.

[Petar]

Drawing millions of people from a conservative starting point over to being full-fledged enemies of the state will end up being by far the greatest legacy Ron Paul will leave.

Yeah right, you're all a bunch of delusional ideologues.

May as well shave your heads and become Hare Krishna's...

A society with no government just isn't real.

[erowe1]

A society with no government just isn't real.

So what?

A society with no theft isn't real. Does that mean we should support theft?

[Petar]

So what?

A society with no theft isn't real. Does that mean we should support theft?

Oh great, here comes the standard An-Crap naval gazing routine...

There is no magic bullet that will allow humanity to live completely without government, taxes, etc.

Reasonable people work to create solutions that are as ideal as possible.

An-Crappists just say $#@! it and run around like a bunch of Hare Krisnas wasting everyone's time...

[Neil Desmond]

So what?

A society with no theft isn't real. Does that mean we should support theft?

This sounds like a false dichotomy to me.

[heavenlyboy34]

Yeah right, you're all a bunch of delusional ideologues.

May as well shave your heads and become Hare Krishna's...

A society with no government just isn't real.

look who's talking. A society with limited government just isn't real. A society without slavery just isn't real. (see what I did there? )

[Seraphim]

Stateless governence does not mean no governence.

Yeah right, you're all a bunch of delusional ideologues.

May as well shave your heads and become Hare Krishna's...

A society with no government just isn't real.

[Ronin Truth]

Yeah right, you're all a bunch of delusional ideologues.

May as well shave your heads and become Hare Krishna's...

A society with no government just isn't real.

Check out Zomia.

The Art of Not Being Governed
http://mises.org/daily/4881

[idiom]

The way I define what is and isn't property, and the way I define what is and isn't aggression is binding on everyone.

I have the right to enforce my definitions on everyone that interacts with me.

[AlexAmore]

I swear, you people are part of some concerted effort to influence all of us into giving up all political relevancy...

Not quite.

Unlike some other An-caps, I'll be promoting Rand Paul and I think it's advantageous to the An-cap cause. People don't go 0-100 instantly. There's a funnel, and the starting point is typically Libertarian-Conservatism > Libertarianism > An-cap.

If you look at info-product businesses or Home Shopping Network, they draw you in with a small purchase (small hoops to jump through) and then they up-sell you later. This is a proven system over and over again. We need to adopt this idea.

[Petar]

Not quite.

Unlike some other An-caps, I'll be promoting Rand Paul and I think it's advantageous to the An-cap cause. People don't go 0-100 instantly. There's a funnel, and the starting point is typically Libertarianism-Conservatism > Libertarianism > An-cap.

If you look at info-product businesses or Home Shopping Network, they draw you in with a small purchase (small hoops to jump through) and then they up-sell you later. This is a proven system over and over again. We need to adopt this idea.

How 'bout you stop being a friggin Hare Krishna and just quit it with the dumb "An-Cap" BS already...

The only reason that anyone even goes for that $#@! is so that they can have some "holistic" zen-like way to just shut their minds off completely.

People aren't stupid, people will always form governments, so stop wasting time with BS that isn't real.

[NIU Students for Liberty]

How 'bout you stop being a friggin Hare Krishna and just quit it with the dumb "An-Cap" BS already...

The only reason that anyone even goes for that $#@! is so that they can have some "holistic" zen-like way to just shut their minds off completely.

People aren't stupid, people will always form governments, so stop wasting time with BS that isn't real.

Why are you getting so bent out of shape? Is anyone forcing you to go along with the "An-Cap BS"? Are you forcing them to accept your system?

[erowe1]

Are you forcing them to accept your system?

That's exactly what he unabashedly supports doing.

[Petar]

Why are you getting so bent out of shape? Is anyone forcing you to go along with the "An-Cap BS"? Are you forcing them to accept your system?

Because I honestly believe that the whole thing is another form of mind control that is used to make people politically dysfunctional.

[Neil Desmond]

Why not this instead:

Libertarianism-Conservatism > Libertarianism > An-cap Anarchism.

?

[green73]

I swear, you people are part of some concerted effort to influence all of us into giving up all political relevancy...

Hahaha

[mczerone]

I swear, you people are part of some concerted effort to influence all of us into giving up all political relevancy...

Give up your political relevancy and embrace your coming social relevancy.

[Bastiat's The Law]

I swear, you people are part of some concerted effort to influence all of us into giving up all political relevancy...

Agreed. Some folks go off the deep end.

[Henry Rogue]

I swear, you people are part of some concerted effort to influence all of us into giving up all political relevancy...

Those evil AnCaps, all they do, is promote that silly notion of Individual Liberty.

[green73]

Those evil AnCaps, all they do, is promote that silly notion of Individual Liberty.

It's mind control! A conspiracy!

[familydog]

I swear, you people are part of some concerted effort to influence all of us into giving up all political relevancy...

Actually, I'm just a simple man living a life of peace and philosophical consistency. I don't care about influencing you, because I know the ideals of complete freedom will eventually win the day.

[green73]

Actually, I'm just a simple man living a life of peace and philosophical consistency. I don't care about influencing you, because I know the ideals of complete freedom will eventually win the day.

Crazy talk!

[jllundqu]

I've been minarchist for awhile now (like Ron Paul). People keep saying that I'll eventually slip in to ancap/anarchist camp..... been reading and listening to Spooner, ROthbard, etc..... I'm still a minarchist.... I still believe that government as small as possible to accomplish those few things that are necesary to hold a nation together is preferable to a nationless-faction based fantasy that would quickly be overun by the remaining governments of the world ie China.

[erowe1]

I've been minarchist for awhile now (like Ron Paul). People keep saying that I'll eventually slip in to ancap/anarchist camp..... been reading and listening to Spooner, ROthbard, etc..... I'm still a minarchist.... I still believe that government as small as possible to accomplish those few things that are necesary to hold a nation together is preferable to a nationless-faction based fantasy that would quickly be overun by the remaining governments of the world ie China.

Isn't using government to hold a nation together the exact opposite of what Ron Paul supports?

[jllundqu]

Isn't using government to hold a nation together the exact opposite of what Ron Paul supports?

Ron Paul believes in the rule of law and the constitution... Yes I believe he said that on the campaign trail a time or two ()
Ron Paul is a Minarchist... his political positions are consistent with this
Ron Paul does not advocate 'no government' he advocates 'limited government'..... and so do I

[erowe1]

Ron Paul believes in the rule of law and the constitution... Yes I believe he said that on the campaign trail a time or two ()
Ron Paul is a Minarchist... his political positions are consistent with this
Ron Paul does not advocate 'no government' he advocates 'limited government'..... and so do I

To keep a nation together?

And, by the way, I also believe in the rule of law, which is why I am obligated to oppose the state. As far as I know, Ron Paul's belief in the Constitution basically equals opposing violations of oaths of office that include the promise never to do anything more than the Constitution authorizes. I do the same. My political positions, as a full-fledged opponent of the entire institution of the state, are the same as Ron Paul's. And I don't know of anybody anywhere who advocates no government. Do you?

[Neil Desmond]

To keep a nation together?

And, by the way, I also believe in the rule of law, which is why I am obligated to oppose the state. As far as I know, Ron Paul's belief in the Constitution basically equals opposing violations of oaths of office that include the promise never to do anything more than the Constitution authorizes. I do the same. My political positions, as a full-fledged opponent of the entire institution of the state, are the same as Ron Paul's. And I don't know of anybody anywhere who advocates no government. Do you?

I advocate for no government.