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I already know this thread is gonna be good. I've been waiting for this thread for years.
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Seems to be confirmed: http://mg.co.za/article/2013-12-05-nelson-mandela-dies
Twitter scooped everybody else.
Here ya go....
Nelson Mandela
Former President of South Africa
Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela is a South African anti-apartheid revolutionary and politician who served as President of South Africa from 1994 to 1999.Wikipedia
An amazing man.
Dead commie, big deal. I'm sure I'll be sickened by all the tributes to this guy.
And involved in terrible violent crimes
So was Nelson.
Political ideology
Mandela was an African nationalist, an ideological position he held since joining the ANC,[326] also being "a democrat, and a socialist".[327] Although he presented himself in an autocratic manner in several speeches, Mandela was a devout believer in democracy and would abide by majority decisions even when deeply disagreeing with them.[328] He held a conviction that "inclusivity, accountability and freedom of speech" were the fundamentals of democracy,[329] and was driven by a belief in natural and human rights.[330]
A democratic socialist, Mandela was "openly opposed to capitalism, private land-ownership and the power of big money".[331] Influenced by Marxism, during the revolution Mandela advocated scientific socialism,[332] although he denied being a communist during the Treason Trial.[333] Biographer David James Smith thought this untrue, stating that Mandela "embraced communism and communists" in the late 1950s and early 1960s, though was a "fellow traveller" rather than a party member.[334] In the 1955 Freedom Charter, which Mandela had helped create, it called for the nationalisation of banks, gold mines, and land, believing it necessary to ensure equal distribution of wealth.[335] Despite these beliefs, Mandela nationalised nothing during his presidency, fearing that this would scare away foreign investors. This decision was in part influenced by the fall of the socialist states in the Soviet Union and Eastern Bloc during the early 1990s.[336]
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PCU was such an underrated film.
Protester 1: Free Nelson Mandela!!
Protester 2: Uh, they freed him already
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The Che Guevara of Africa
http://barelyablog.com/nelson-mandel...-of-of-africa/
Based on the idea of natural rights, government secures those rights to the individual by strictly negative intervention, making justice costless and easy of access; and beyond that it does not go. The State, on the other hand, both in its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social. It is not based on the idea of natural rights, but on the idea that the individual has no rights except those that the State may provisionally grant him. It has always made justice costly and difficult of access, and has invariably held itself above justice and common morality whenever it could advantage itself by so doing.
--Albert J. Nock
Despite his political beliefs, what he actually did when he came to power in regards to race and his past was pretty amazing. If you can't see that people can accomplish great things despite having a differing political opinion then you are acting childish. Of course that should come as no surprise to anyone here.
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I guess there were a few good things about Mandela & his actions, and he did become less radical as he got older, but by and large the man did heavy damage to the nation of South Africa.
U.S. has Mandela on terrorist list - USATODAY.com
usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-04-30-watchlist_N.htm
Apr 30, 2008
Mandela Visits Israel With Praise but Rifts Linger - New York Times
www.nytimes.com
Why US had him on Terrist list?
But it seems he was close to drone king's familial relatives:
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seems like a real decent leader. sad
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Who gives a $#@!. The man was a communist and helped destroy South Africa.
Not to derail the thread (RIP) but I once thought he was dead, as if I'd heard it on the news. The same with Stephen Hawking. In each case I was a bit confused as hell to find out different. Anyway, I wouldn't be sharing this if I hadn't heard it brought up on Coast to Coast one night. Apparently other people have experienced this very thing, with these same two figures. THAT'S THE WEIRD PART.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Well, hope he made peace before he took his last breath.
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South Africa lived under the oppressive regime system of Apartheid- where races were separated and only the whites had power and rights and money- native residents of the country had none. Manedela sought to change this. He spent most of his life in prison but when released did not hate his captors. He did not encourage repression of those who had repressed him but rather urged forgiveness and reconsilation. A nasty civil war could have resulted but didn't becasue of his example. I don't think that was "ruining" South Africa (unless you were one of the overlords and even they got treated well).
The problem with Mandela is that his regime laid the foundations for the current black supremacist system in South Africa, which is as bad as the system SA had under Apartheid.
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