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    Sexual Predator Honored With U.S. Postage Stamp

    http://townhall.com/columnists/mattb...stamp-n1732355

    Quote Originally Posted by Townhall
    Benjamin Franklin famously quipped, “In this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes.”

    Franklin evidently failed to envisage today’s postmodern left. For the conservative, there exists at least one other certainty, and it is this: The degree to which “progressives” attack you corresponds precisely to the degree with which you challenge any among their assorted, distorted and sordid sacred cows.

    What would you call a 33-year-old man who both had and axiomatically acted upon a deviant sexual appetite for underage, drug-addicted, runaway boys? (No, not Jerry Sandusky.)

    What would you call a man of whom, as regards sexual preference, his own friend and biographer confessed, “Harvey always had a penchant for young waifs with substance abuse problems”?

    In a recent interview with OneNewsNow.com, I called this man “demonstrably, categorically an evil man based on his [statutory] rape of teenage boys.”

    But you can call him Harvey Milk.

    Harvey Milk’s only claim to fame is that he was the first openly homosexual candidate to be elected to public office (San Francisco city commissioner). His chief cause was to do away with the Judeo-Christian sexual ethic. In 1978 Milk was murdered over a non-related political dispute by fellow Democrat Dan White.

    And a “progressive” martyr was born.

    Merriam Webster defines “pederast” as “one who practices anal intercourse especially with a boy.” It defines “statutory rape” as “the crime of having sex with someone who is younger than an age that is specified by law.”

    Harvey Milk was both a pederast and, by extension, a statutory rapist. After I publicly addressed this objective reality in the above-mentioned interview, the liberal blogosphere reacted in, shall we say, an informatively defensive manner.

    A Huffington Post headline screamed: “Harvey Milk Was An ‘Evil Man’ Who Raped Teenage Boys, Unworthy of Postage Stamp: Matt Barber.”

    The always-amusing Right Wing Watch blog breathlessly posted my comments with the header: “Barber: ‘Harvey Milk Was Demonstrably, Categorically an Evil Man.’”

    And so on.

    Here’s what’s especially telling about their reaction. Not one of the dozen-or-more publications that reported on my comments even challenged their veracity. Not one attempted to refute or deny that Harvey Milk was, in fact, a pederast and a sexual predator.

    That’s because they can’t.

    One of Milk’s victims was a 16-year-old runaway from Maryland named Jack Galen McKinley. As previously mentioned, Milk had a soft spot in his, um, heart for teenage runaways. Motivated by an apparent quid pro quo of prurience, Milk plucked McKinley from the street.

    Randy Shilts was a San Francisco Chronicle reporter and close friend to Harvey Milk. Though Shilts died of AIDS in 1994, he remains, even today, one of the most beloved journalists in the “LGBT” community.

    Shilts was also Harvey Milk’s biographer. In his glowing book “The Mayor of Castro Street,” he wrote of Milk’s “relationship” with the McKinley boy: ” … Sixteen-year-old McKinley was looking for some kind of father figure. … At 33, Milk was launching a new life, though he could hardly have imagined the unlikely direction toward which his new lover would pull him.”

    In a sane world, of course, the only direction his “new lover” should have pulled him was toward San Quentin. But, alas, today’s America – a burgeoning relativist land of make-believe – is anything but sane.

    Randy Thomasson, child advocate and founder of SaveCalifornia.com, is one of the nation’s foremost experts on Harvey Milk. Of the Shilts biography, Thomasson notes, “Explaining Milk’s many flings and affairs with teenagers and young men, Randy Shilts writes how Milk told one ‘lover’ why it was OK for him to also have multiple relationships simultaneously: ‘As homosexuals, we can’t depend on the heterosexual model. … We grow up with the heterosexual model, but we don’t have to follow it. We should be developing our own lifestyle. There’s no reason why you can’t love more than one person at a time.’”

    Whereas McKinley, a disturbed runaway boy, desperately sought a “father figure” to provide empathy, compassion, wisdom and direction, he instead found Harvey Milk: a promiscuous sexual predator who found, in McKinley, an opportunity to satisfy a perverse lust for underage flesh.

    Years later McKinley committed suicide.

    Another teen who crossed paths with Harvey Milk was Christian convert and former homosexual Gerard Dols. In a 2008 radio interview with Concerned Women for America, Dols shared of how – as a physically disabled teen – the “very nice” Harvey Milk had encouraged him in 1977 to run away from his Minnesota home and come to San Francisco.

    According to Dols, Milk told him, “Don’t tell your parents,” and later sent him a letter with instructions. Thankfully, the letter was intercepted by Dols’ parents who then filed a complaint with the Minnesota attorney general’s office.

    The incident was evidently swept under the rug.

    So what does a man like Harvey Milk get for his apparent crimes? While most sexual predators get time in prison and a dishonorable mention on the registry of sex offenders, Harvey Milk got his own California state holiday (“Harvey Milk Day”) and, more recently, his own commemorative postage stamp, awarded by the Obama administration’s USPS.

    God bless America?

    As troubling as the postage stamp may be, to me – the father of a soon-to-be-teenage boy – the specter of having a “Harvey Milk Day” forced upon millions of California children, parents and educators is even more troubling. Especially in light of Milk’s own sordid history with minors.

    Even so, and quite obviously, not everyone agrees. Some have said that my reality-based assessment of Harvey Milk is “uncivil.” Our historical revisionist friends on the left tend to get a bit snooty when you publicly deconstruct one of their meticulously fabricated mythical martyrs.

    I find that odd.

    To me, even the mere notion of elevating, to hero status, a man who statutorily raped teenage boys, is what’s uncivil.



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    Just think if it was females that age a male engaged with, no postage stamp for you!
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    It doesn't sound like he raped anybody.

    There are so many places in the world where 16 is the age of consent, some have it even lower.

    Just because it was against the law where he was at the time doesn't mean anything except that he could have been punished under the law.
    Last edited by dannno; 12-03-2013 at 05:21 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    It doesn't sound like he raped anybody.
    A 33 year old man with someone younger than 18 is considered rape.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    A 33 year old man with someone younger than 18 is considered rape.
    By who?
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    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    By who?
    The law in California.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonPaulFanInGA View Post
    The law in California.
    Like I give a $#@! about a law in California?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    A 33 year old man with someone younger than 18 is considered rape.

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    If the law in California said that blue was purple that doesn't mean blue is purple, it just means California has a stupid law.
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    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Even if we give the benefit of the doubt and assume it wasn't really "rape", why is this guy worthy of any kind of honor? He probably committed worse crimes in office anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFanatic View Post
    Even if we give the benefit of the doubt and assume it wasn't really "rape", why is this guy worthy of any kind of honor?
    Meh, if gay people want to celebrate the first openly gay elected representative or whatever then I say go for it.

    As far as if he deserves to be on a stamp, I really don't care, but they should probably give people options if they are going to have photos on there.
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    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

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    Another teen who crossed paths with Harvey Milk was Christian convert and former homosexual Gerard Dols. In a 2008 radio interview with Concerned Women for America, Dols shared of how – as a physically disabled teen – the “very nice” Harvey Milk had encouraged him in 1977 to run away from his Minnesota home and come to San Francisco.

    According to Dols, Milk told him, “Don’t tell your parents,” and later sent him a letter with instructions. Thankfully, the letter was intercepted by Dols’ parents who then filed a complaint with the Minnesota attorney general’s office.
    Well of course this is the kind of person this country should be honoring.
    "The Patriarch"

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    Damn, I really thought this was going to be about Ben Franklin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Well of course this is the kind of person this country should be honoring.
    A runaway from Minnesota? Moorhead, MI by any chance?

    Why did the teen want to run away in the first place?

    Sorry if I don't automatically assume the worst of people.
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    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonPaulFanInGA View Post
    The law in California.
    Let's see, a runaway male 16 year old from Minnesota can't be with a 33 year old consensually by law, yet Bunny Lebowski as an 18 year old runaway from Minnesota can legally marry an 80 year old Korean War vet?
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    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."



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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Let's see, a runaway male 16 year old from Minnesota can't be with a 33 year old consensually by law, yet Bunny Lebowski as an 18 year old runaway from Minnesota can legally marry an 80 year old Korean War vet?
    Yeah, well, that's just like, your opinion, man.

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    I like the other Sean Penn politician-who-got-shot film better:


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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    A runaway from Minnesota? Moorhead, MI by any chance?

    Why did the teen want to run away in the first place?

    Sorry if I don't automatically assume the worst of people.
    Another teen who crossed paths with Harvey Milk was Christian convert and former homosexual Gerard Dols. In a 2008 radio interview with Concerned Women for America, Dols shared of how – as a physically disabled teen – the “very nice” Harvey Milk had encouraged him in 1977 to run away from his Minnesota home and come to San Francisco.

    According to Dols, Milk told him, “Don’t tell your parents,” and later sent him a letter with instructions. Thankfully, the letter was intercepted by Dols’ parents who then filed a complaint with the Minnesota attorney general’s office.

    The incident was evidently swept under the rug.
    The term is sexual predator. They do exist, despite all your protests.
    "The Patriarch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    The term is sexual predator. They do exist, despite all your protests.
    Is every male who goes to a bar and wants to have sex with a woman a sexual predator?
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    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Is every male who goes to a bar and wants to have sex with a woman a sexual predator?
    What the hell are you talking about? Try to focus on the subject at hand.
    "The Patriarch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Is every male who goes to a bar and wants to have sex with a woman a sexual predator?
    How many under-18 minors are hanging out in bars?

    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Like I give a $#@! about a law in California?
    Oh, I'm sure you do. I bet you wouldn't openly flaunt committing statutory rape. So that would mean you do, in fact, give a f*ck.
    Last edited by RonPaulFanInGA; 12-03-2013 at 06:32 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    The term is sexual predator. They do exist, despite all your protests.
    Although there is one other option I will outline in a moment, a sexual predator is somebody who forces somebody to have sex, or has sex with a child who is unable to comprehend what is happening. By the time you are 16, most have been sexually active in their minds or otherwise for at least 3 years. They comprehend what is happening. So to be a sexual predator of a 16 year old you would either have to force them to have sex or put them in an extremely vulnerable position on purpose for the express purpose of having sex with them. This isn't, or shouldn't really be illegal, although if they are underage like this kid was then a case could be made.. and it could potentially be judged as immoral and an act of sexual predation. So this COULD have been what this guy was attempting, and I assume that is why you are protesting, but I still don't know that for a fact as I've not yet heard the whole story and I don't know the guy personally.

    I wasn't around back in the 60s and 70s but I always get the feeling that a lot of the people in more progressive urban areas thought some big cultural change or revolution was in the process of happening, which it was, but you still had all of these people stuck in the suburbs who were still stuck in the 50s.. So I see what a lot of these people were doing was recruiting to get more kids who were unhappy with their 'square' and 'conforming' lifestyles to come out to California and be apart of it. If they were in their 20s and hadn't gone on their own yet then they probably weren't interested so they recruited younger kids as well. Not everybody sees sex as some evil horrible thing, especially back then before the AIDS epidemic. It was seen as something positive and beautiful. I still see it that way despite the AIDS epidemic, so naturally I will have different views on some of these types of situations than many others who view sex outside marriage as some sort of evil sin. So while there may have been some other motivations to get this physically disabled kid out there, there may have also been some other motivations like he actually thought the kid would have a better life out in California. I would still need a lot more information.
    Last edited by dannno; 12-03-2013 at 07:03 PM.
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    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonPaulFanInGA View Post
    How many under-18 minors are hanging out in bars?
    That doesn't apply to my argument. If a 16 year old can have consensual sex with another 16 year old, I see no logical reason why they can't have sex with a 25 year old if they want to. I won't continue to bring up that argument as the age goes much below 16 because you start getting close to that gray area where some kids that age are not sexually mature enough to understand it yet.


    Quote Originally Posted by RonPaulFanInGA View Post
    Oh, I'm sure you do. I bet you wouldn't openly flaunt committing statutory rape. So that would mean you do, in fact, give a f*ck.
    Hypothetically correct, but I also smoked weed illegally before I got my prescription and while I gave a $#@! about not getting arrested, weed being illegal did not at all play into the decision whether I would smoke it or not, or whether it was 'good' or 'bad'.
    Last edited by dannno; 12-03-2013 at 07:02 PM.
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    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    What the hell are you talking about? Try to focus on the subject at hand.
    I don't think a 33 year old attempting to have consensual sex with a 16 year old is necessarily a 'predator'.

    The fact that one of these kids he was trying to get to come out was disabled plays in your favor, and I admit it is possible that he was.. but it's still just one small piece of information and doesn't tell the whole story.

    Are there any cases where this guy had non-consensual sex, or drugged somebody to have sex with them? Or had sex with somebody under 16?
    Last edited by dannno; 12-03-2013 at 07:01 PM.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Although there is one other option I will outline in a moment, a sexual predator is somebody who forces somebody to have sex, or has sex with a child who is unable to comprehend what is happening. By the time you are 16, most have been sexually active in their minds or otherwise for at least 3 years. They comprehend what is happening. So to be a sexual predator of a 16 year old you would either have to force them to have sex or put them in an extremely vulnerable position on purpose for the express purpose of having sex with them. This isn't, or shouldn't really be illegal but it could potentially be judged as immoral and an act of sexual predation. So this COULD have been what this guy was attempting, and I assume that is why you are protesting, but I still don't know that for a fact as I've not yet heard the whole story and I don't know the guy personally.

    I wasn't around back in the 60s and 70s but I always get the feeling that a lot of the people in more progressive urban areas thought some big cultural change or revolution was in the process of happening, which it was, but you still had all of these people stuck in the suburbs who were still stuck in the 50s.. So I see what a lot of these people were doing was recruiting to get more kids who were unhappy with their 'square' and 'conforming' lifestyles to come out to California and be apart of it. If they were in their 20s and hadn't gone on their own yet then they probably weren't interested so they recruited younger kids as well. Not everybody sees sex as some evil horrible thing, especially back then before the AIDS epidemic. It was seen as something positive and beautiful. I still see it that way despite the AIDS epidemic, so naturally I will have different views on some of these types of situations than many others who view sex outside marriage as some sort of evil sin. So while there may have been some other motivations to get this physically disabled kid out there, there may have also been some other motivations like he actually thought the kid would have a better life out in California. I would still need a lot more information.
    dannno, thanks for making some sense. I was around in the 60's and 70's. And obviously there was a huge cultural shift going on. And yes there were predators taking advantage of it, I had a few run ins with them myself growing up. But that is hardly a new thing. The point about this guy is he repeatedly went after vulnerable young men, living on the street etc. It was a easily identified pattern.
    "The Patriarch"

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    I thought everybody was on a stamp these days.

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    It doesn't sound like he raped anybody.

    There are so many places in the world where 16 is the age of consent, some have it even lower.

    Just because it was against the law where he was at the time doesn't mean anything except that he could have been punished under the law.
    The point, I think, is that he wasn't punished under the law like mundanes who do that.

    Also, Danke makes a good point. What if they were girls?
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    Pfft... big whoop. War criminals get bloody great marble monuments in the fashion of legendary gods built to them in Washington D.C.

    Stamps are amateur hour.

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