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    How Dangerous Is Fluoride To Your Health?


    Fluorine is an element. It is a gas, never occurring in its free state. In microscopic amounts complexed with other minerals, it is often listed as a trace mineral, a nutrient for human nutrition.

    The fluoride added to 90% of drinking water is hydrofluoric acid which is a compound of fluorine that is a chemical byproduct of aluminum, steel, cement, phosphate, and nuclear weapons manufacturing.

    Such fluoride is manmade. In this form, fluoride has no nutrient value whatsoever. It is one of the most caustic of industrial chemicals. Fluoride is the active toxin in rat poisons and cockroach powder.

    Hydrofluoric acid is used to refine high octane gasoline, to make fluorocarbons and chlorofluorocarbons for freezers and air conditioners, and to manufacture computer screens, fluorescent light bulbs, semiconductors, plastics, herbicides, -- and toothpaste.

    It also has the ability to burn flesh to the bone, destroy eyes, and sear lungs so that victims drown in their own body fluid."

    Once in the body, fluoride is a destroyer of human enzymes. It does this by changing their shapes. In human biochemistry, thousands of enzymes are necessary for various essential cell reactions that take place every second we're alive. Without enzymes, we'd die instantaneously.


    The History of Fluoride

    Some fifty years after governments began adding fluoride to public water supplies to reduce cavities in children's teeth, declassified documents are shedding new light on the roots of that still-controversial public health measure, revealing a surprising connection between fluoride and the dawning of the nuclear age.

    Today, a large percentage of public drinking water in the western world is fluoridated. Many municipalities still resist the practice, disbelieving the government's assurances of safety.

    Since the days of World War II, when the U.S. prevailed by building the world's first atomic bomb, public health leaders have maintained that low doses of fluoride are safe for people, and good for children's teeth.

    That safety verdict should now be re-examined in the light of hundreds of once-secret WWII documents obtained by Joel Griffiths and Chris Bryson – including declassified papers of the Manhattan Project, the U.S. military group that built the atomic bomb.

    Fluoride was the key chemical in atomic bomb production, according to the documents. Massive quantities of fluoride – millions of tons – were essential for the manufacture of bomb-grade uranium and plutonium for nuclear weapons throughout the Cold War. One of the most toxic chemicals known, fluoride rapidly emerged as the leading chemical health hazard of the U.S atomic bomb program--both for workers and for nearby communities, the documents reveal.

    Other revelations include:

    Much of the original proof that fluoride is safe for humans in low doses was generated by A-bomb program scientists, who had been secretly ordered to provide "evidence useful in litigation" against defense contractors for fluoride injury to citizens. The first lawsuits against the U.S. A-bomb program were not over radiation, but over fluoride damage, the documents show.

    Human studies were required. Bomb program researchers played a leading role in the design and implementation of the most extensive U.S. study of the health effects of fluoridating public drinking water--conducted in Newburgh, New York from 1945 to 1956. Then, in a classified operation code-named "Program F," they secretly gathered and analyzed blood and tissue samples from Newburgh citizens, with the cooperation of State Health Department personnel.

    The original secret version--obtained by these reporters--of a 1948 study published by Program F scientists in the Journal of the American Dental Association shows that evidence of adverse health effects from fluoride was censored by the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission (AEC) – considered the most powerful of Cold War agencies – for reasons of national security.

    The bomb program's fluoride safety studies were conducted at the University of Rochester, site of one of the most notorious human radiation experiments of the Cold War, in which unsuspecting hospital patients were injected with toxic doses of radioactive plutonium. The fluoride studies were conducted with the same ethical mind-set, in which "national security" was paramount.

    The U.S. government's conflict of interest--and its motive to prove fluoride "safe" – has not until now been made clear to the general public in the furious debate over water fluoridation since the 1950's, nor to civilian researchers and health professionals, or journalists.

    The declassified documents resonate with growing body of scientific evidence, and a chorus of questions, about the health effects of fluoride in the environment.

    Human exposure to fluoride has mushroomed since World War II, due not only to fluoridated water and toothpaste, but to environmental pollution by major industries from aluminum to pesticides: fluoride is a critical industrial chemical.

    The impact can be seen, literally, in the smiles of our children. Large numbers of U.S. young people--up to 80 percent in some cities--now have dental fluorosis, the first visible sign of excessive fluoride exposure, according to the U.S. National Research Council. (The signs are whitish flecks or spots, particularly on the front teeth, or dark spots or stripes in more severe cases.)

    Less-known to the public is that fluoride also accumulates in bones – "The teeth are windows to what's happening in the bones," explains Paul Connett, Professor of Chemistry at St. Lawrence University (N.Y.). In recent years, pediatric bone specialists have expressed alarm about an increase in stress fractures among U.S. young people. Connett and other scientists are concerned that fluoride – linked to bone damage by studies since the 1930's – may be a contributing factor. The declassified documents add urgency: much of the original proof that low-dose fluoride is safe for children's bones came from U.S. bomb program scientists, according to this investigation.

    Now, researchers who have reviewed these declassified documents fear that Cold War national security considerations may have prevented objective scientific evaluation of vital public health questions concerning fluoride.

    "Information was buried," concludes Dr. Phyllis Mullenix, former head of toxicology at Forsyth Dental Center in Boston, and now a critic of fluoridation. Animal studies Mullenix and co-workers conducted at Forsyth in the early 1990's indicated that fluoride was a powerful central nervous system (CNS) toxin, and might adversely affect human brain functioning, even at low doses. (New epidemiological evidence from China adds support, showing a correlation between low-dose fluoride exposure and diminished I.Q. in children.) Mullenix's results were published in 1995, in a reputable peer-reviewed scientific journal.

    Fluoride Causes Disease

    Austrian researchers proved in the 1970s that as little as 1 ppm fluoride concentration can disrupt DNA repair enzymes by 50%. When DNA can't repair damaged cells, we get old fast.

    Fluoride prematurely ages the body, mainly by distortion of enzyme shape. Again, when enzymes get twisted out of shape, they can't do their jobs. This results in collagen breakdown, eczema, tissue damage, skin wrinkling, genetic damage, and immune suppression. Practically any disease you can name may then be caused.

    All systems of the body are dependent upon enzymes. When fluoride changes the enzymes, this can damage:

    - immune system
    - digestive system
    - respiratory system
    - blood circulation
    - kidney function
    - liver function
    - brain function
    - thyroid function


    The distorted enzymes are proteins, but now they have become foreign protein, which we know is the exact cause of autoimmune diseases, such as lupus, arthritis, asthma, and arteriosclerosis.


    Fluoride And Osteoporosis

    Dr. Yiamouyiannis (former science director of the National Health Federation) cited a 1990 study of 541,000 cases of osteoporosis that found a definite connection between hip fractures in women over 65 and fluoride levels. The study was written up in JAMA. Several other major studies are cited, massive amounts of research, again all reaching the same conclusion - the undeniable correlation of fluoridation with osteoporosis and hip fracture in the elderly.


    Bone Is Living Tissue.

    Bone building is a finely balanced, complicated process. Fluoride has been known to disrupt this process since the 1930s. Dr. Alesen, who was the president of the California Medical Association, clearly explains what fluoride does to bone formation.

    He cites dozens of international scientific studies proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that fluoride has caused thousands of cases of osteoporosis, skeletal thinning, fractures, "rubber bones," anemia, and rickets.

    Fluoride also causes osteoporosis by creating a calcium deficiency situation. Fluoride precipitates calcium out of solution, causing low blood calcium, as well as the buildup of calcium stones and crystals in the joints and organs.

    So Why Do We Continue Fluoridating In Present Day?

    One word...money!


    Toxic disposal. The rise of the EPA since the 1970s. The increase in environmental consciousness as a political tool for creating the illusion of safety in recent decades.

    Fluoride is a toxic byproduct in the manufacturing process of manmade
    chemicals.
    Millions of tons of this poison are produced every year. Imagine the cost of containing and disposing of those mountains of waste every year. It's in the billions.

    Lobbyists from these industries have presented "scientific studies" paid for by the industries, and provided for a continual stream of media presentations about the health benefits of fluoride. They have created unimaginably lucrative positions for "research" and "education" within the Medical Conglomerates and Associations that are systematically destroying our health.

    What are the economic advantages of that? Instead of paying money to dispose of toxic waste, money could now be made by selling fluoride to the water companies of the nation.

    They basically use the public water supply as a sewer for industrial wastes and since there is money to be made, the vicious cycle has continued for decades.



    What Do The Real Experts Say?

    "When historians come to write about this period, they will single out fluoridation as the single biggest mistake in public policy that we've ever had."

    - Paul Connett, PhD, Biochemistry

    "Water fluoridation is the single largest case of scientific fraud, promoted by the government, supported by taxpayer dollars, aided and abetted by the ADA and the AMA, in the history of the planet."

    - David Kennedy, DDS President International Academy of Oral Medicine and Toxicology

    "Sodium fluoride is a registered rat poison and roach poison. It has been a protected pollutant for a very long time."

    - William Hirzy, PhD President of the Union of Professional Employees of the EPA

    "sodium fluoride is a very toxic chemical, acting as an enzyme poison, direct irritant and calcium inactivator ... .It reacts with growing tooth enamel and with bones to produce irreversible damage."

    - Granville Knight, MD president of the American Academy of Nutrition
    Congressional Record, 31 July 56

    "I am appalled at the prospect of using water as a vehicle for drugs. Fluoride is a corrosive poison that will produce serious effects on a long range basis. Any attempt to use water this way is deplorable."

    - Charles Gordon Heyd, MD, president, AMA

    "no physician in his right mind would hand to his patient a bottled filled with a dangerous drug with instructions to take as much or as little of it as he wished ... And yet, the Public Health Service is engaged upon a widespread propaganda program to insist that communities do exactly that ... The purpose of administering fluoride is not to render the water supply pure and potable but to contaminate it with a dangerous, toxic drug for the purpose of administering mass medication to the consumer, without regard to age or physical condition."

    - L. Alesen, MD, president of the California Medical Association
    Robotry, p14

    "Fluoridation is the greatest fraud that has ever been perpetrated and it has been perpetrated on more people than any other fraud has."

    - Albert Schatz, PhD Nobel Laureate for discovering streptomycin
    quoted in Sutton's Fluoridation:The Greatest Fraud

    "More people have died in the last 30 years from cancer connected with fluoridation than all the military deaths in the entire history of the United States."

    - Dean Burk, PhD National Cancer Institute -- Fluoridation:A Burning Controversy

    "Fluoridation is the greatest case of scientific fraud of this century, if not of all time."
    - EPA scientist, Dr. Robert Carton (Downey, 2 May 99)




    What Kind Of Water Should You Drink?

    Today there is enough grassroots consciousness about the dangers of tap water that cheap carbon filters are now available in any hardware store which attach easily to the kitchen faucet. It is likely that such filters get rid of most of the chlorine - for awhile.

    But to really get the resistant biologicals, the fluoride, heavy metals, and other contaminants, the customer may consider one of the high-end drinking water filters. These cost between two and four hundred dollars and come in models for both over and under the sink.

    Names like Alpine, MultiPure, and Spectrapure are among the dozens of brand names that have come along during the past 20 years. Everyone claims to be the best, of course, but we can find some important similarities in their advertising. When you begin to compare the better water filters, you notice common concerns:

    - chlorine
    - THMs
    - chloriform
    - chloramines
    - cryptosporidium and giardia lamblia cysts
    - fluoride
    - pesticides and toxic chemicals
    - heavy metals
    - minerals
    - MTBEs
    - nitrates

    Killing microbials is not a big deal since most of that's been done by chlorine. Most contaminants are removed by the better filters. The problem when choosing a filter seems to come down to four main concerns: fluoride, minerals, THMs, and nitrates.

    Difficult to find one filter that does everything: many reverse osmosis filters take out fluoride, but also the healthy minerals. Many of the high-end carbon filters will not remove fluoride or nitrates, but leave the healthy minerals.

    Fluoride is obviously a biggie. Find out if the filter you are about to buy removes fluoride, and what percentage. After what we've learned about fluoride, we should expect a filter to remove it.

    Due to fluoride advocate propaganda, most don't even realize fluoride is bad, and therefore don't think about it when considering a water filter.

    NSF is a third-party non-profit testing agency that has been rating water filters for the past 50 years. Always ask - is it NSF-certified? Don't be fooled if they say 'NSF-tested.' Big difference.

    Minerals is an area of some controversy. You've got the hard water / soft water debate. Hard water has more minerals in it, which obviously is better for the bones and teeth, and probably for the heart as well.

    That makes sense, although elemental minerals are the least absorbed of all types. Elemental means from rocks, and that's the kind that would be in spring water, and therefore in filtered water, except for reverse osmosis.

    Most naturopaths and holistic nutritionists don't like distilled water because they say it leaches minerals from the bones and teeth. In general, that seems logical, although it may not make any difference unless the person is extremely malnourished.

    The truth is, no formal studies comparing distilled with mineral water have been done, so it's all pretty theoretical. But thinking about the Hunzas and their 120-year lifespan that was attributed to the glacial mineral waters they drank, one can see the value of minerals in drinking water.

    A high-end water filter should take this discussion into consideration and give reasons about the importance or unimportance of filtering out certain minerals.

    Comes down to a choice: reverse osmosis or carbon block. With reverse osmosis you've can remove fluoride but also remove many minerals, and wasting about 4-9 gallons to get one gallon of pure water. With high-end carbon mesh filters, you can get rid of everything but fluoride, and you'll still have minerals.

    Bottom Line: Stay away from direct consumption of tap water and research effective filtration methods that remove fluoride, lead, arsenic, or specific contaminants. Not only will it improve the taste, it will improve your health.

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    WoW dude i didn't knew this fact this article of yours increased my knowledge mate,I am kinda suprised and wasn't knowing that thing can be that hard because it is used in our daily life.



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    Harvard: Fluoride Can Increase Autism and Attention Deficit Disorder

    By Washington's Blog

    Global Research, March 11, 2014

    Washington's Blog 10 March 2014

    Government and Top University Studies: Fluoride Lowers IQ and Causes Other Health Problems

    We reported last month that a Harvard study found that fluoride can lower children’s IQ by 7 points, and that numerous government reports have shown that fluoride can injure the brain and neurological system.

    Now, one of the world’s most prestigious medical journals – Lancet – has published a Harvard study showing that fluoride is one of the chemicals which can increase autism and attention deficit disorder:


    Neurodevelopmental disabilities, including autism, attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder, dyslexia, and other cognitive impairments, affect millions of children worldwide, and some diagnoses seem to be increasing in frequency. Industrial chemicals that injure the developing brain are among the known causes for this rise in prevalence. In 2006, we did a systematic review and identified five industrial chemicals as developmental neurotoxicants: lead, methylmercury, polychlorinated biphenyls, arsenic, and toluene. Since 2006, epidemiological studies have documented six additional developmental neurotoxicants—manganese, fluoride, chlorpyrifos, dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane, tetrachloroethylene, and the polybrominated diphenyl ethers. We postulate that even more neurotoxicants remain undiscovered. To control the pandemic of developmental neurotoxicity, we propose a global prevention strategy. Untested chemicals should not be presumed to be safe to brain development, and chemicals in existing use and all new chemicals must therefore be tested for developmental neurotoxicity.

    Continued...
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    I thought the following is more relevant to this post than to “cancer vaccines” and I didn’t want to start a new thread on the claim that tooth decay can be reversed (and to my surprise didn’t find a separate thread on that topic).

    I’ve looked into the evidence for the claim that tooth decay can be “reversed” by a diet.
    I’ve found the 1932 study that shows that a “cereal-free diet rich in Vitamin D” can prevent caries in children, but the claim that it can also reverse tooth decay goes too far (at least based on this study).
    Mellanby and Pattison – The Influence Of A Cereal-Free Diet Rich In Vitamin D And Calcium on Dental Caries In Children” (1932): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...07379-0001.pdf
    In our first investigation on children we had observed that the diet containing most cereal, especially oatmeal, was associated with the greatest spread of caries. This observation seemed to receive support in some investigations of Boyd and Drain,1" who found that in- the teeth of forty-five diabetic children who were being fed on the standard diets used for the treatment of this disease, caries was arrested; later, in conjunction with Nelson," they fed thirteen non-diabetic children on a similar diet, and again found that any active caries present at the beginning of the investigation was arrested. The diabetic diet given was devoid of cereals and rich in vitamin D.
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    The purpose of this investigation was to test the effect of a cereal-free diet on the incidence and extension of dental caries in children, and to compare the results with those obtained in the third investigation the diet in each case was rich in vitamin D and calcium, but whereas in the present investigation it was devoid of cereals, in the third it contained a fair amount of these substances. A few children, receiving only the hospital diet, were used as controls, but the results are not given here they corroborate those obtained with the ordinary hospital diet in the earlier investigations.4
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    The energy value and the protein content of the diet are seen to be similar to those of the diet given in the previous investigation (Diet 7); the amount of fat, however, is greater, and the carbohydrate content is less.
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    The mouth of each child was charted before the diet was introduced, the number of carious teeth, the amount and extent of each carious area, and the " degree " of hardness or softness noted.

    The main results are summarized in Table III, and are compared with those obtained in the previous investigations. They indicate that a diet rich in vitamin D and calcium and devoid of cereals has greater inhibitory and curative effects on dental caries than any previously tested. Thus the new caries points observed to develop during the feeding period were only 0.05 per child as compared with the previous best result of 0.2 per child. The figure 0.05 is so small that it probably falls within the margin of error of this type of observation, and new caries may be considered, therefore, to have been suppressed. Only 0.32 teeth per child, as compared with the previous best figure of 0.8, showed an extension of the areas which were carious at the beginning of the investigation; this figure also probably comes within the margin of error. The average age of the children in the third and fourth investigations was under 6, while the average in the first and second was approximately 8 years. In order to make the figures more comparable, therefore, the results for the children of about 6 years in the first and second investigations -have been grouped together in Table IV, with the results of the later investigations. The hardening of carious areas, which indicates the diminution in activity of the carious process and ultimate arrest, was one of the characteristic changes brought about by the diets used. It will be observed that the removal of cereals from the diet also increased the amount of arrest of caries as compared with that produced by the diets containing this food. The average number of teeth per child in which some hardening of active carious areas was found was 4.7, as compared with 3.9 teeth per child, the best result previously obtained. It is doubtful whether better results are attainable in hypoplastic teeth on the basis of our present knowledge.
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    The tests do not indicate that in order to prevent dental caries children must live on a cereal-free diet, but in association with the results of the other investigations on animals and children they do indicate that the amount of cereal eaten should be reduced, particularly diring infancy and in the earlier years of life, and should be replaced by an increased consumption of milk, eggs, butter, potatoes, and other vegetables. They also indicate that-a sufficiency of vitamin D and calcium should be given from birth, and before birth, by supplying a suitable diet to the pregnant mother. The teeth of the children would be well formed and more resistant to dental caries instead of being hypoplastic and badly calcified, as were those in this investigation.
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    SUMMARY
    1. A group of children averaging 5 ½ years of age were given a cereal-free diet rich in vitamin D and calcium for a period of six months. The teeth of the children were defective in structure (hypoplastic), and much active dental caries was present at the beginning of the investigation.
    2. Initiation and spread of caries were almost eliminated by these diets, and the results were better than those of the previous investigation in which-the vitamin D alone was increased in a diet containing bread and other cereals.
    3. Active caries was arrested on this cereal-free diet to a greater extent than in the previous investigations, when cereals were extensively used.
    I’m not sure what “hardening of carious areas” means. Maybe it is not wrong to translate is that the caries “reversed”, but I don’t think this is a good translation…
    Furthermore I don’t think it’s likely that these positive results would be repeated for adults.

    Based on this study it seems that a diet rich in vitamin D and Calcium and low in cereal is better in preventing tooth decay than fluoride.
    I guess that the aluminum industry wouldn’t like it if the population finds out the truth about the highly toxic waste “fluoride”, but if I understand correctly it isn’t completely made up that fluoride prevents tooth decay.
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    fluoride kills, like many halogens do. so topically does help, but so does a lot substances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kfarnan View Post
    fluoride kills, like many halogens do. so topically does help, but so does a lot substances.
    People who drink flouridated water die. Eventually. So do people who eat food.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    As far as I can tell that story is based on the 1932 study that I summarised in my last post in this thread. This isn't evidence for "reverse" of tooth decay...

    The German Nazis already experimented with Fluoride in their concentration camps to find out that it makes the slave workers nice and docile. It's also part of the same Prozac that makes psychiatric victims suicidal.
    Fluoride can also be used for sterilisation.

    Before fluoride was dumped in the US tap water and toothpaste (I can vaguely remember that there used to be fluoride-free toothpaste) there were some of lawsuits of victims of aluminum factories, and the damage done by fluoride.
    Before the 1950s, fluoride was best known as the active ingredient of rat poison...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    People who drink flouridated water die. Eventually. So do people who eat food.
    The well water we had in Texas had dangerous amounts of fluoride in it. It was all-natural though, so obviously it was healthy or something.

    But loons gonna loon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    The well water we had in Texas had dangerous amounts of fluoride in it. It was all-natural though, so obviously it was healthy or something.

    But loons gonna loon.
    Yes Angela there is naturally occurring fluoride and too much is definitely not good. However the fluoride (Hydrofluoric salicylic acid) the municipalities put in the water is not natural.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benlo View Post
    WoW dude i didn't knew this fact this article of yours increased my knowledge mate,I am kinda suprised and wasn't knowing that thing can be that hard because it is used in our daily life.
    Dammit. Banned. And this was the most rep-worthy post I've seen in a long time! I wish I would have seen it 4 years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    The well water we had in Texas had dangerous amounts of fluoride in it. It was all-natural though, so obviously it was healthy or something.

    But loons gonna loon.
    Well water in NW Montana has arsenic in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Yes Angela there is naturally occurring fluoride and too much is definitely not good. However the fluoride (Hydrofluoric salicylic acid) the municipalities put in the water is not natural.
    You beat me to it.

    Some west texicans have mottled teeth caused by the natural fluoride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sparebulb View Post
    You beat me to it.

    Some west texicans have mottled teeth caused by the natural fluoride.
    Dental fluorosis is a thing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    Dental fluorosis is a thing.

    It can occur if kids under eight are exposed to too much fluoride (though not attractive, such teeth are actually less vulnerable to cavities).

    Dental fluorosis is the appearance of faint white lines or streaks on the teeth that only occurs when younger children consume too much fluoride, from any source, over long periods when teeth are developing under the gums. Once teeth break through the gums, you cannot develop fluorosis.

    Fluorosis isn’t a disease and doesn’t affect the health of your teeth. In most cases, the effect is so subtle that only a dentist would notice it during an examination. The type of fluorosis found in the United States has no effect on tooth function and may make the teeth more resistant to decay.

    The chance of developing fluorosis exists until about age eight because teeth are still forming under the gums. Ultimately, getting the right amount of fluoride is best—not too much and not too little. Your dentist, pediatrician or family physician can help you determine the proper amount of fluoride for your child.
    most cases are much milder than the one in the picture above.



    http://www.mouthhealthy.org/en/az-topics/f/fluorosis
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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Yes Angela there is naturally occurring fluoride and too much is definitely not good. However the fluoride (Hydrofluoric salicylic acid) the municipalities put in the water is not natural.
    You crack me up when you talk about chemistry. The link you provided is about an acid used in etching metals.


    https://www.livescience.com/37123-fluoridation.html
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    * No Amnesty - The Obama Administration’s endorsement of so-called “Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants, will only encourage more law-breaking.

    * Abolish the Welfare State – Taxpayers cannot continue to pay the high costs to sustain this powerful incentive for illegal immigration. As Milton Friedman famously said, you can’t have open borders and a welfare state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    It can occur if kids under eight are exposed to too much fluoride (though not attractive, such teeth are actually less vulnerable to cavities).



    most cases are much milder than the one in the picture above.



    http://www.mouthhealthy.org/en/az-topics/f/fluorosis
    Fluoride also makes teeth brittle, and prone to breaking.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/fluorid...ry?id=12564884

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    They should start putting sunblock in the water supply too... Its really good at preventing sunburn on your skin!





    Fluoridated water is ridiculous... The desired effect is to harden enamel for cavity prevention. The undesired effect is brittle bones and other nasty side effects that have been medically proven. With so many oral hygiene products that apply fluoride locally (rather than systemically), effectively achieving desired results while at the same time reducing the negative side effects, why are people still supporting taking it systemically?

    People (IMO) should be concerned about their city or municipality adding it to the water supply. If not from a health standpoint, its an unnecessary cost (IMO)...
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    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    Fluoride also makes teeth brittle, and prone to breaking.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/fluorid...ry?id=12564884
    In extreme cases.

    Fluoride, Cole said, molds to the tooth's enamel. So while it will aid in preventing decay, it can also make teeth brittle.

    "When you see a case of somebody coming in with bad fluorosis, to restore those teeth you either have to crown them completely or at least do a veneer," he said. "So it's a very costly thing to fix."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    In extreme cases.
    "extreme" sounds like a subjective unsupported opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    "extreme" sounds like a subjective unsupported opinion.
    What is the frequency of brittle teeth from fluoridation? Moderate to severe fluorosis effects about ten percent of people. http://cof-cof.ca/2012/09/dr-hardy-l...-fluoridation/

    In a recent US large scale study about 10% of children have fluorosis that needs to be treated (Beltrán-Aguilar ED, Barker L, Dye BA. Prevalence and severity of dental fluorosis in the United States, 1999-2004. NCHS Data Brief. 2010 Nov;(53):1-8.).
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 09-25-2017 at 03:32 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    You crack me up when you talk about chemistry. The link you provided is about an acid used in etching metals.


    https://www.livescience.com/37123-fluoridation.html
    Go to the link and read, please:

    Consumer Uses

    Automotive Care Products
    Building/Construction Materials not covered elsewhere
    Cleaning and Furnishing Care Products
    Electrical and Electronic Products
    Fuels and Related Products
    Metal Products not covered elsewhere
    Water Treatment Products

    More reading material for you:

    Citizens Petition in re: Use of Hydrofluosilicic Acid
    in Drinking Water Systems of the United States
    https://www.epa.gov/sites/production...2013-04-22.pdf
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    The US puts more than needed in potable water supplies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shakey1 View Post
    The US puts more than needed in potable water supplies.
    The question remains--is it really needed? Especially the toxic waste they are putting in water supplies.
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    New Study Provides Further Evidence Of Low IQ In Children Due To Fluoride Exposure
    SEPTEMBER 25, 2017


    By Derrick Broze

    A new study has found that prenatal exposure to fluoride may contribute to lower IQ in children, the latest in a number of studies indicating health and cognitive issues as a result of fluoride exposure.

    On September 19, the journal Environmental Health Perspectives published the study “Prenatal Fluoride Exposure and Cognitive Outcomes in Children at 4 and 6–12 Years of Age in Mexico,” examining the results of prenatal exposure to fluoride and the potential health concerns. The researchers called the study “one of the first and largest longitudinal epidemiological studies to exist that either address the association of early life exposure to fluoride to childhood intelligence or study the association of fluoride and cognition using individual biomarker of fluoride exposure.” The study was funded in part by the U.S. National Institutes of Health.

    The research team studied participants from Mexico’s Early Life Exposures in Mexico to Environmental Toxicants (ELEMENT) project by measuring the amount of fluoride present in the mothers’ urine during pregnancy and again when their children were 6 to 12 years old. The researchers found that higher prenatal fluoride exposure was associated with lower scores on tests for cognitive function at age four and between ages six and twelve. The researchers acknowledge that their results are “somewhat consistent” with past ecological studies which indicate children living in areas of high fluoride exposure have lower IQ scores than those in low-exposure areas.

    “Our findings, combined with evidence from existing animal and human studies, reinforce the need for additional research on potential adverse effects of fluoride, particularly in pregnant women and children, and to ensure that the benefits of population-level fluoride supplementation outweigh any potential risks,” the researchers write.

    Dr. Leonardo Trasande, a pediatrician who studies potential links between environmental exposures and health problems at New York University Langone Health, told Newsweek the study was “well-conducted” and “raises serious concerns about fluoride supplementation in water.”

    The Fluoride Action Network, an advocacy group focused on promoting an end to fluoridation, noted that the researchers made efforts to control for a range of variables that could skew the results, including socioeconomic status, smoking, alcohol use, and health problems during pregnancy. FAN also noted that the fluoride levels ingested by the Mexican mothers “was about the same as that in women in the USA.” More specifically, the organization notes that “the higher levels were similar to what is found in areas in the USA with fluoridated water, and the lower levels were similar to what is found in most unfluoridated parts of the USA.” Mexico does not have a water fluoridation program, but instead adds fluoride to table salt.

    However, despite the new study and its provocative conclusions, the American Dental Association continues to ignore a growing body of evidence indicating the health dangers of fluoride. After looking at the study, the ADA “concludes the findings are not applicable to the U.S. The ADA continues to endorse fluoridation of public water as the most effective public health measure to prevent tooth decay.” Consumers should note that exposure to fluoride via dental cleaning is vastly different from exposure via water fluoridation.

    What is Fluoride?

    The substances added to municipal water supplies known by the name fluoride are actually a combination of unpurified byproducts of phosphate mining, namely hydrofluorosilicic acid, sodium fluorosilicate, and sodium fluoride. In the United States thousands of tons of fluorosilicic acid is recovered from phosphoric acid plants and then used for water fluoridation. During this process the fluoride ion is created.

    This process of taking waste from the phosphate industry and putting it into drinking water has long been criticized for its effects on human health and the environment. It is well known that water fluoridation has led to dental fluorosis for millions of children. This discoloring of the teeth was called “cosmetically objectionable” by the Centers for Disease Control.

    Beyond the cosmetic effect there have been several studies indicating overwhelming health issues related to fluoride, especially for children. Another recent study found a connection between exposure to water fluoridated at relatively low concentrations and a reduced IQ among children.

    A study published in the journal General Dentistry warns that infants are at risk of dental fluorosis due to overexposure from fluoride in commercially available infant foods. The researchers analyzed 360 different samples of 20 different foods ranging from fruits and vegetables, chicken, turkey, beef, and vegetarian dinners. Chicken products had the highest concentrations of fluoride, followed by turkey. The New York State Coalition Opposed to Fluoridation (NYSCOF) reports that the fluoride levels were due to pesticides, fertilizers, soil, groundwater, and/or fluoridated water. The high levels found in the chicken and turkey can be attributed to “fluoride-saturated bone dust” involved in the process of mechanically separating the meat.

    Another study published in Environmental Health found a potential connection between fluoride exposure and the prevalence of adult attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) in children. The researchers studied data on ADHD among children age four to seventeen collected in 2003, 2007 and 2011 as part of the National Survey of Children’s Health, as well as state water fluoridation data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) collected between 1992 and 2008 . It is the first study to analyze the relationship between exposure to fluoridated water and ADHD prevalence.

    The team discovered that children living in areas with a majority of the population receiving fluoridated water from public water systems “tended to have a greater proportion of children and adolescents diagnosed with ADHD. ” The researchers concluded that:

    this study has empirically demonstrated an association between more widespread exposure to fluoridated water and increased ADHD prevalence in U.S. children and adolescents, even after controlling for socioeconomic status (SES). The findings suggest that fluoridated water may be an environmental risk factor for ADHD.

    Previous studies have shown rats exposed to fluoride chemicals also exhibit ADHD-like symptoms.

    In addition to these studies related to fluoride and children, dozens of other studies have indicated a variety of health problems. A recent study published in the Journal of Analytical Chemistry indicates that fluoride ions found in fluoridated water and toothpaste may lead to an increase in Urinary Stone Disease (USD). The study was conducted by chemists from Russia and Australia, led by Pavel Nesterenko at the University of Tasmania. The team studied 20 urinary stones from patients at a Russian hospital and discovered fluoride ions in 80% of the stones. This could be due to high levels of fluoride in patients’ urine, possibly from drinking water containing fluorides and ingesting fluoride toothpaste.

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    A study published in the BMJ’s Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health confirmed fluoride’s negative effect on the thyroid gland and a possible connection to depression, weight gain, and other negative health effects. Researchers with the University of Kent in England examined thyroid activity for those in areas with fluoridated water and those without. The team examined 95 percent of the English population in 2012 and 2013 and found that high rates of underactive thyroid were 30% more likely in areas with high fluoride concentration. An underactive thyroid can lead to depression, weight gain, fatigue and aching muscles.

    On top of that, a 2016 study from Ohio’s Case Western Reserve University School of Medicine also found a connection between water fluoridation and type 2 diabetes.

    The reasons for opposing water fluoridation include: fear of a variety of health concerns; the belief that it is force to medicate the population without their approval; financial waste; and environmental concerns related to phosphate mines where the chemical is found. Whatever reason you choose for standing against fluoride, it is abundantly clear that fluoride is an outdated, dangerous process that should cease immediately.

    Derrick Broze is an investigative journalist and liberty activist. He is the Lead Investigative Reporter for ActivistPost.com and the founder of the TheConsciousResistance.com. Follow him on Twitter. Derrick is the author of three books: The Conscious Resistance: Reflections on Anarchy and Spirituality and Finding Freedom in an Age of Confusion, Vol. 1 and Finding Freedom in an Age of Confusion, Vol. 2
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    For what its worth.....

    A longtime dentist friend of mine claims that he was always against fluoridation of the water supply for a variety of reasons, but never would talk about it for fear of developing a certain reputation as well as no upside for his business.

    He is retired now and has an anecdotal observation of decades of working of people who were exposed to fluoridated water and those who were not. His claim is that caries could be easily spotted during checkups of those who had lesser fluoride exposure. Those with greater fluoride intake would often have large caries that would be under a small pinhole or pit in an otherwise good appearing surface. His opinion was that the area of decay before its discovery was significantly greater than it would have been otherwise resulting in much larger fillings or more involved restorative procedures.

    Just one former dentist's opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sparebulb View Post
    For what its worth.....

    A longtime dentist friend of mine claims that he was always against fluoridation of the water supply for a variety of reasons, but never would talk about it for fear of developing a certain reputation as well as no upside for his business.

    He is retired now and has an anecdotal observation of decades of working of people who were exposed to fluoridated water and those who were not. His claim is that caries could be easily spotted during checkups of those who had lesser fluoride exposure. Those with greater fluoride intake would often have large caries that would be under a small pinhole or pit in an otherwise good appearing surface. His opinion was that the area of decay before its discovery was significantly greater than it would have been otherwise resulting in much larger fillings or more involved restorative procedures.

    Just one former dentist's opinion.
    It's truly a shame that we do not have a lot of dentist speaking out for fear of the establishments and brainwashed people reprisals. This has been done by design.
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    On September 19, the journal Environmental Health Perspectives published the study “Prenatal Fluoride Exposure and Cognitive Outcomes in Children at 4 and 6–12 Years of Age in Mexico,” examining the results of prenatal exposure to fluoride and the potential health concerns. The researchers called the study “one of the first and largest longitudinal epidemiological studies to exist that either address the association of early life exposure to fluoride to childhood intelligence or study the association of fluoride and cognition using individual biomarker of fluoride exposure.” The study was funded in part by the U.S. National Institutes of Health.

    The research team studied participants from Mexico’s Early Life Exposures in Mexico to Environmental Toxicants (ELEMENT) project by measuring the amount of fluoride present in the mothers’ urine during pregnancy and again when their children were 6 to 12 years old. The researchers found that higher prenatal fluoride exposure was associated with lower scores on tests for cognitive function at age four and between ages six and twelve. The researchers acknowledge that their results are “somewhat consistent” with past ecological studies which indicate children living in areas of high fluoride exposure have lower IQ scores than those in low-exposure areas.
    Study did not control for any differences in diets or other environmental factors and did not control for kids attending different schools. Also IQ score differences were within normal variations- they found two to three point differences. Normal margin of error for IQ tests is ten points.
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    Hexafluorosilicic acid, is an industrial waste product; so then if sodium fluoride is dangerous for consumption, how then can hexafluorosilicic acid be safe for consumption? The answer: We are being lied to!

    Sodium fluoride came into use to prevent tooth decay in the 1940s. It is on the World Health Organization's List of Essential Medicines, the most important medications needed in a basic health system. It is also commonly used for water fluoridation and added to toothpaste. An estimated 90 percent of toothpastes in the United States contains some type of fluoride.
    Sodium fluoride is classed as toxic by both inhalation (of dusts or aerosols) and ingestion. In high enough doses, it has been shown to affect the heart and circulatory system. For occupational exposures, the Occupational Safety and Health Administration and the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health have established occupational exposure limits at 2.5 mg/m3 over an eight-hour time-weighted average. In the higher doses used to treat osteoporosis, plain sodium fluoride can cause pain in the legs and incomplete stress fractures when the doses are too high; it also irritates the stomach, sometimes so severely as to cause ulcers. Slow-release and enteric-coated versions of sodium fluoride do not have gastric side effects in any significant way, and have milder and less frequent complications in the bones. In the lower doses used for water fluoridation, the only clear adverse effect is dental fluorosis, which can alter the appearance of children's teeth during tooth development; this is mostly mild and is unlikely to represent any real effect on aesthetic appearance or on public health. A chronic fluoride ingestion of 1 ppm of fluoride in drinking water can cause mottling of the teeth (fluorosis) and an exposure of 1.7 ppm will produce mottling in 30–50 % of patients.
    Hexafluorosilicic acid is an inorganic compound, is a colorless liquid rarely encountered undiluted. Hexafluorosilicic acid has a distinctive sour taste and pungent smell. It is produced naturally on a large scale in volcanoes. It is manufactured as a precursor to aluminum trifluoride and synthetic cryolite. It is commonly used as a source of fluoride for water fluoridation.
    Hydrofluorosilicic Acid, also known as FSA or HFS, is a transparent, colorless, aqueous solution that is used in a variety of applications. One of its most common uses is in the fluoridation of water.
    Hexafluorosilicic acid can release hydrogen fluoride when evaporated, so it has similar risks. Inhalation of the vapors may cause lung edema. Like hydrogen fluoride, it attacks glass and stoneware.
    Calcium fluoride (CaF2), is classified as "not dangerous", although reacting it with sulfuric acid produces toxic hydrofluoric acid.
    Hydrofluoric acid is a solution of hydrogen fluoride (HF) in water. It is a precursor to almost all fluorine compounds, including pharmaceuticals such as fluoxetine (Prozac), diverse materials such as PTFE (Teflon), and elemental fluorine itself. It is a colourless solution that is highly corrosive, capable of dissolving many materials, especially oxides. Its ability to dissolve glass has been known since the 17th century, even before Carl Wilhelm Scheele prepared it in large quantities in 1771. Because of its high reactivity toward glass and moderate reactivity toward many metals, hydrofluoric acid is usually stored in plastic containers (although PTFE is slightly permeable to it).

    Hydrogen fluoride gas is an acute poison that may immediately and permanently damage lungs and the corneas of the eyes. Aqueous hydrofluoric acid is a contact-poison with the potential for deep, initially painless burns and ensuing tissue death. By interfering with body calcium metabolism, the concentrated acid may also cause systemic toxicity and eventual cardiac arrest and fatality, after contact with as little as 160 cm2 (25 square inches) of skin.
    Side effects

    Fluorosis

    The use of fluoride toothpaste (with concentrations of 1000 ppm and above) and fluoride supplements in children below the age of six years, and especially within the first three years of life, is associated with a greater risk of dental fluorosis. It has been estimated that optimal water fluoridation for the prevention of dental caries increases the prevalence of dental fluorosis by 4 to 5%. The observed effects are mild to moderate, usually of minimal aesthetic concern.

    Other risks

    Reports have claimed that water fluoridation can be linked to the development of osteoporosis and various cancers, however a recent systematic review has found no evidence to support these claims.

    Overdose

    Consumption of large amounts of fluoride can lead to fluoride poisoning and death; the lethal dose for most adult humans is estimated at 5 to 10 g (which is equivalent to 32 to 64 mg/kg elemental fluoride/kg body weight). Ingestion of fluoride can produce gastrointestinal discomfort at doses at least 15 to 20 times lower (0.2–0.3 mg/kg) than lethal doses. Chronic intake and topical exposure may cause dental fluorosis, and excess systematic exposure can lead to systemic effects such as skeletal fluorosis. Young children are at risk for receiving excess fluoride, and the ADA has recently issued an interim guidance on their fluoride consumption.

    In 1974 a three-year-old child swallowed 45 milliliters of 2% fluoride solution, estimated to be triple the fatal amount, and then died. The fluoride was administered during his first visit to the dentist, and the dental office was later found liable for the death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weston White View Post
    Hexafluorosilicic acid, is an industrial waste product; so then if sodium fluoride is dangerous for consumption, how then can hexafluorosilicic acid be safe for consumption? The answer: We are being lied to!


















    More at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_...on_controversy
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