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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLYWOOD View Post
    Other secondary/independent media is covering this, Democracy Now coverage: http://www.democracynow.org/2013/11/...s_secret_trade

    video:
    http://dncdn.dvlabs.com/ipod/dn2013-1114.mp4
    I have to nit pick here...

    I find it morally repugnant and outrageous that the U.S. negotiators be pushing Big Pharma’s agenda to raise medicine prices for the developing countries in the TPP. People in Vietnam, in all the developing countries that have HIV/AIDS, that have malaria, they need access to generic medicines, and this would cut it off.
    Developing countries get these kinds of US drugs via 3 routes, roughly:
    Through US government programs where the US taxpayer pays for them.
    Through donations via the Gates Foundation and maybe others.
    Through pharmaceutical company donations, for which they get huge tax write offs - Ie basically the US taxpayer pays for them again.

    What NEVER happens is a developing contry buying US pharmaceuticals. They are simply too expensive!
    Drugs from India are the same thing, but much, much cheaper! Relief organizations don't buy US drugs either, for the same reason. That and regulatory BS.

    What the hell is big PhRMA thinking of?

    -t



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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Indeed. This news really warrants people to pay attention.
    The problem here is that mainstrea media won't even go here. They stand to benefit greatly from this tyranny. Not a peep from them, I predict.

    And, of course, we have a few economic hitmen spending money lobbying for representation and presenting their prospective models to our representatives too so don't expect too much from various web sites that focus on elections. You know? Oil... agribusinbess...biotech...the usual crowd.
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 11-14-2013 at 12:35 PM.



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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Citizen View Post
    The problem here is that mainstrea media won't even go here. They stand to benefit greatly from this tyranny. Not a peep from them, I predict.
    And the alternative media that speaks out about this are called alarmist and then dismissed as Conspiracy kooks.

    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  6. #34
    Secret Globalist Treaty Threatens Internet Freedom


    Infowars.com
    November 13, 2013



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1AJN1_Wu4o



    Wikileaks has released a 95 page, 30,000 word document spelling out details on the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP). The secret globalist agreement will have a significant effect on a wide range of issues including internet freedom, medicine, patents, and civil liberties. The cabal will meet in Salt Lake, Utah, between November 19 and 24.
    ...


    Full Story:
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  7. #35


    This is probably the best piece I've heard regarding this issue. Absolute silence in the corporate media and similar web platforms so the only people who will be stopping this are the alternative folks.
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 11-15-2013 at 05:52 AM.

  8. #36



    WikiLeaks has published the chapter of the secret Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement that covers intellectual property rights.


    WikiLeaks Publishes Key Chapter of Secret TPP Agreement


    The New American
    14 November 2013
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  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by LibForestPaul View Post
    There is no such thing as intellectual property. There is nothing to abolish, There is no right.
    I was going to ask you to show me where this term Intellectual Property existed pre-1800. I googled it myself...

    John McLean, ...

    Does this make it any cleare for you.
    IP = the libertarians fight for "free $#@!". Nothing more nothing less. Dem's want free $#@! to poor people. Repubs want free $#@! to warmakers. Libertarians (some) want to steal from their neighbor.

  10. #38
    Abby Martin gives a call to action for a March Against the Mainstream Media on November 16 by talking about the abysmal failure of the fourth estate and the lack of public knowledge about important issues.




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  11. #39
    15 November 2013 Yesterday...

    http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/english/news/20131115_24.html


    Froman urges Japan to make decision on TPP
    The US Trade Representative is urging Japan to make a decision on scrapping agricultural tariffs and other barriers to help conclude the Trans-Pacific Partnership free trade talks.

    Michael Froman was speaking at the annual Japan-US Business Conference that opened in Washington on Thursday. He heads the US delegation to the TPP talks.

    Froman said it's time for all negotiating countries to make political decisions to conclude the talks, adding that Japan's decision is a focus of attention.

    Asked whether an agreement will be reached by the end of the year as planned, Froman said the negotiations will remain tough even if the target date is extended. He said now is the time to wrap up the talks.

    At the event's beginning, Japan Business Federation Chairman Hiromasa Yonekura said the 2 countries' business leaders will also accelerate talks to support the TPP talks by the governments.

    Business leaders taking part in the two-day meeting are to release a joint statement on Friday.
    Nov. 15, 2013 - Updated 05:06 UTC


    Michael Froman

    Michael B. Froman (born August 20, 1962) is the U.S. Trade Representative. He previously was Assistant to the President of the United States and Deputy National Security Advisor for International Economic Affairs, a position to be held jointly at the National Security Council and the National Economic Council. His responsibilities included serving as the United States sherpa to the G7, G8, and G20 summits of economic powers.[2] On May 2, 2013 President Obama nominated him to succeed Ambassador Ron Kirk as the U.S. Trade Representative.[3][4] He was confirmed on June 19, 2013.

    17th United States Trade Representative
    Incumbent
    Assumed office
    June 21, 2013
    President Barack Obama
    Deputy Miriam Sapiro
    Preceded by Miriam Sapiro (Acting)

    He also served as President and Chief Executive Officer of CitiInsurance, head of Emerging Markets Strategy at Citigroup and a Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations.

    He also spent much of his career within the United States Department of the Treasury,
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  12. #40
    Sociopath... Scum

    http://variety.com/2013/biz/news/u-s...pa-1200838860/U.S. Trade Representative Defends Pending Trade Pact After WikiLeaks Disclosure

    Alex Wong/Getty Images
    November 15, 2013 | 06:43PM PT

    U.S. Trade Representative Michael Froman, touring Paramount’s backlot on Friday, refuted reports that a proposed trade pact between the U.S. and 11 Pacific Rim countries would be an attempt to impose provisions of ill-fated antipiracy legislation that stalled out in Congress early last year.

    Following WikiLeaks’ disclosure of an August draft of a portion of the Trans Pacific Partnership Agreement, some digital rights groups have sounded the alarm over the pact, arguing that the provisions in the draft will limit Internet freedom. The sites TorrentFreak and BoingBoing compared it to the Stop Online Piracy Act, which was sidelined in Congress in the face of an online protest, while groups like Free Press and the Electronic Frontier Foundation have condemned its provisions.
    But Froman, in a brief interview, said that “what we have in there are things that are already in U.S. law about making sure, whether it is copyright or other protections, are fully enforced around the world.”
    “For example, as I understand it, I wasn’t around for it, (the Stop Online Piracy Act) was about blocking rogue Internet sites from accessing the Internet from the United States. There is nothing in the Trans Pacific Partnership, zero, that has anything to do with that,” he said.
    He added that the agreement would be to “ensure that if a creative artist or others have intellectual property rights that are recognized that those are enforced.”

    The MPAA on Thursday issued a statement cautioning that it was “important to be clear that the text circulated is not final.”


    Froman also said that he was “not sure if (the leaked draft) was a legitimate draft or not.” He also said noted that it dates from August, and “so it doesn’t necessarily reflect the current stage of negotiations.”


    “There is no agreement right now,” he said. “Nothing is agreed to until everything is agreed to, and nothing will be agreed to until 3 a.m. on the last night of negotiations.”
    Froman on Friday also went to the Disney lot to meet with studio executives to talk about trade and the Trans Pacific pact.
    “Our goal through these trade negotiations is to make sure we are raising the standard of protection around the world, for artists and the people who support them,” he said.
    He also called the talks over the trade pact “the most transparent trade negotiation in history,” noting that they have held more than 1,000 briefings on Capitol Hill, have enlisted 600 advisers for input from various groups and have invited stakeholders to address negotiators from all 12 countries, among other efforts. Representatives from both parties this week sent letters to President Obama expressing concerns that they were not being consulted about its provisions, which address not just intellectual property but a host of other trade issues including access to markets.
    The countries have set a goal of reaching agreement by the end of the year.
    At Paramount, Froman, along with his son, toured a construction and lighting shop on the lot, as well as a sound mixing stage where he watched a clip from the next “Anchorman” movie, “Anchorman 2: The Legend Continues.” He also visited the set of Nickelodeon’s “The Thundermans” and posed for pictures with the cast. With him on the tour were Paramount COO Frederick Huntsberry, exec VP Michael Romano and IATSE Third International VP Thomas Davis.

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    US promises to defend Japan from China as territory dispute lingers

    The United States’ top diplomat said this week that the US will not walk away from Japan as tensions worsen in the Far East between America’s Asian ally and China regarding a heated territory dispute in the Pacific.

    In the meantime, though, both the US and Japan are interested in other endeavors — like the Trans-Pacific Partnership, or TPP. According to the AP, the multi-nation trade deal between the US, Japan and 10 other Pacific-region countries was also among the issues discussed by Kishida and Kerry during Friday’s meeting.
    “[F]inalizing the TPP is one of the most important things that we can do for our countries’ economic futures,” Kerry said, according to the AP, and Kishida reportedly added that has tentatively agreed to cooperate towards a “prompt conclusion” of the negotiations.
    http://rt.com/usa/kerry-kishida-china-japan-119/

    Aside... Obama's TPP negotiators received huge bonuses from big banks

    On Tuesday, Fang wrote that two major United States-based financial firms have significantly awarded former executives who have since attracted the attention of President Barack Obama and subsequently been offered positions that put them directly involved in TPP talks.

    In Fang’s report, he noted that such hefty bonuses aren’t unusual on Wall Street.
    “Many large corporations with a strong incentive to influence public policy award bonuses and other incentive pay to executives if they take jobs within the government,” he wrote.

    But with the TPP expected to have serious implications on the corporate and financial realms, the appointments of Selig and Froman raise new questions about the potential influence of Wall Street on an already widely-disputed trade deal.

    “The controversial TPP trade deal has rankled activists for containing provisions that would newly empower corporations to sue governments in ad hoc arbitration tribunals to demand compensation from governments for laws and regulations they claim undermine their business interests,” Fang acknowledged. “A fact-sheet provided by Public Citizen explains how multi-national corporations may use the TPP deal to skirt domestic courts and local laws. The arrangement would [allow] corporations to go after governments before foreign tribunals to demand compensations for tobacco, prescription drug and environment protections that they claim would undermine their expected future profits.”
    “Not only do US treaties mandate that all forms of finance move across borders freely and without delay, but deals such as the TPP would allow private investors to directly file claims against governments that regulate them, as opposed to a WTO-like system where nation states (ie the regulators) decide whether claims are brought,” Boston University associate professor Kevin Gallagher told Fang.

    When WikiLeaks released a draft version of a section of the TPP last year, the anti-secrecy group warned that “Particular measures proposed include supranational litigation tribunals to which sovereign national courts are expected to defer, but which have no human rights safeguards

    No wonder they kept it secret,” internet entrepreneur Kim Dotcom told RT at the time. “What a malicious piece of US corporate lobbying. TPP is about world domination for US corporations. Nothing else.”

    Last month, leaked memos obtained by the Huffington Post suggested that the US has lost almost all international support from the 11 other Pacific Rim nations engaged in TPP discussions.
    http://rt.com/usa/tpp-fang-big-banks-577/
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 02-23-2014 at 12:46 PM.

  15. #42
    The Looting Of Ukraine Has Begun


    The austerity plan will cut social services, funds for education, layoff government workers, devalue the currency, thus raising the prices of imports which include Russian gas, thus electricity, and open Ukrainian assets to takeover by Western corporations.

    Ukraine’s agriculture lands will pass into the hands of American agribusiness.
    Did Ukraine Just Airlift Its Entire Gold Hoard To The U.S. Fed?


    Today an outspoken hedge fund manager out of Hong Kong stunned King World News when he said that the entire Ukrainian gold hoard may have just secretly been flown from Ukraine to the United States. William Kaye, who 25 years ago worked for Goldman Sachs in mergers and acquisitions, also spoke about the incredible implications of this astonishing development. Below is what Kaye had to say in this powerful interview.
    It's possible considering the need to rebuild a relationship with Germany after we came up short with repatriating their gold. Maybe the Federal Reserve needed to be restocked? Heh...

  16. #43
    GERMAN BUSINESS LEADERS BEGIN TO BALK AT RUSSIAN SANCTIONS

    “It isn’t just German exporters that are fretting, and lobbying with all their might. Russia, with an economy that is already stagnating, and dogged by vicious bouts of capital flight, has $732 billion in foreign debt. Relatively little of it is sovereign debt, but nearly $700 billion is owed by banks and corporations – most of them owned or controlled by the Kremlin. Oil major Rosneft and gas mastodon Gazprom owe $90 billion combined to foreign entities; the four state banks Sberbank, VTB, VEB, and Rosselkhozbank owe $60 billion. Some of this debt matures this year and next year.

    “US banks are marginally involved. Between Bank of America, Citigroup, JPMorgan, and Wells Fargo, they have only $24 billion on the line. But European banks and insurance companies are up to their dirty ears in this suddenly iffy and potentially toxic Russian debt.

    “When it comes due, it will have to be rolled over, and some of the companies will need to borrow more, simply to stay afloat. Alas, the current sanction regime of visa bans for the elite, asset freezes, and trade restrictions could make that difficult. Then there’s the threat, now more broadly but still unofficially bandied about, that Russian companies should simply default on this $700 billion in debt in retaliation for the sanctions.

    “Some European banks, including some German banks, might crater. Even the possibility of a major loss would further rattle the confidence in these banks with their over-leveraged and inscrutable balance sheets and their assets that are still exuding whiffs of putrefaction. And this sort of fiasco, as the financial crisis has made clear, has an unpleasant way of snowballing – and taking down the already shaky global economy with it.

    “During the financial crisis, German exports collapsed, banks toppled and got bailed out, and the economy experienced its two worst quarters in the history of the Federal Republic. No politician in Germany has any appetite to re-experience that. And the banking industry, with its powerful and long tentacles winding their way through the hallways and doors of the German government, has been assiduously at work, quietly and behind the scenes, to whittle any sanctions down to irrelevance.

    “Washington’s defaulting on an agreement with Russia about Ukraine’s future, and the prospect of NATO troops in Ukraine, convinced Putin and much of the Russian elite that there’s no point in negotiating with the US.”
    Beyond the actual looting of Ukraine economically and the quiet takeover of their agricultural system by "American" agribusiness that was at the heart of this, although not discussed, forcing sanctions will hinder the German/EU economy. That said, it's obvious why Washington would offer “trade agreements”. And it's obvious that the ruse would further the strongarm by Washington on Europe who, as we know, have been growing more independent of the U.S.

    This right here along with the TPP in general as far as the money men go, is why we are seeing such malfeasance on the narrative by both politicians and corporate media. Corporate media, who, by the way, stand to gain a great deal in all of this as well. Oh yes...what a tangled web we weave.
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 03-17-2014 at 01:07 PM.

  17. #44
    Mass protests slam US-EU trade deal as 'corporate power grab'...


    Tens of thousands of people are flooding the streets of cities all over Europe on Saturday in mass rallies against a controversial trade agreement between the US and the EU.

    Talks on the pact, called the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP), started last February and, having been mostly held behind closed doors, have raised widespread concerns in the European Union and beyond.

    Social networks have been mobilized for a mass campaign that has been calling on Europeans and Americans to take action against “the biggest corporate power grab in a decade.”

    One of the organizers of Berlin’s demonstration, Michael Efler, told RT’s Peter Oliver: “We are protesting here against the free trade deal completely negotiated in secret, because they give corporations more rights they’ve ever had in history.”

    Protests were planned in 22 countries across Europe – marches, rallies and other public events – in over 1,000 locations in UK, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Greece, Netherlands, Poland, the Czech Republic and Scandinavian countries.

    In London, British historian and investigative journalist Andy Worthington told RT’s Harry Fear that people have reasons not to trust politicians who have been reassuring them since 1980s, yet “handing over more and more power to corporations.”

    The trade agreement between the EU and the US could be finalized by the end of this year.


    Continued - Mass protests slam US-EU trade deal as 'corporate power grab'

  18. #45
    free trade is not brokered trades among national mafia agencies.
    free trade is individual trade unfettered.
    rewritten history with armies of their crooks - invented memories, did burn all the books... Mark Knopfler

  19. #46
    bump for Rand
    Based on the idea of natural rights, government secures those rights to the individual by strictly negative intervention, making justice costless and easy of access; and beyond that it does not go. The State, on the other hand, both in its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social. It is not based on the idea of natural rights, but on the idea that the individual has no rights except those that the State may provisionally grant him. It has always made justice costly and difficult of access, and has invariably held itself above justice and common morality whenever it could advantage itself by so doing.
    --Albert J. Nock

  20. #47
    Thanks for bumping discussion on this stuff, lucille. I think this was the first thread on this around here and it kind of got buried. Will add to it later because the intricates are really the issue as opposed to some other popular debate models. I'm kind of just checking in today of and on. Like I was telling you on the down-lo, today is a busy day for me.

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